User talk:Bluerfn

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Bluer says at 21:56, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Leave a message and I'll reply in your talk page unless you want my reply here.

New Entry?

DoorToNothing

— I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

_{And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 23:59, October 6, 2009 (UTC)}

I'm rather confused: in your new addition to the Roxas's Diary section of the main page, you mention the discussion pages in the forumspace are removed from access. What do you mean by this?

Bluer says at 02:15, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

It means you cannot access "forumtalk" using the tabs above the pages anymore,

DoorToNothing

— I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

_{And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 22:25, October 8, 2009 (UTC)}

Ahh, I see. Well, that makes perfect sense then!

Also, I have a rather serious message now: about a month or so ago, we voted on new staff. The result was Urutapu, HeartOfOblivion, and I becoming mods, and KrytenKoro becoming and Admin. However, HeartOfOblivion does not appear in the User group "rollback rights". I asked him if the rollback function appears for him, and it doesn't. I think that you forgot to give him rollback rights. Could you please fix this?

Bluer says at 02:59, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Heart now has rollback,

HeartofOblivion ^{Talk to me!} — There was something important... Oh yes! I've decided on the pancakes. Blueberry!

_{Can you get me some cotton candy? Blue, not PINK !!!! — 03:49, October 9, 2009 (UTC)}

Thank you!

Hiya

Blue, Hope you are fairing well against the tide of edits that always accompany release week. We'll be throwing up a spotlight for you shortly to help get the word out. I do have a couple of question for you though - 1. can you point me to the discussion about the value of blogs - I would love to know why the community decided against using them. 2. Can you remind me why there are no key words or search terms in your page title to help your SE ranking? Also, let us know if you need anything! -- Doug<staff /> (talk) 00:51, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

See Forum:Blog removal petetion. We have alrady decided to have them removed, and I think the time we decided for Users to save anything they wanted to keep is up. Please remove them immediately. --DoorTo Nothing 02:49, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page

IenzoTheApprentice - I made some fish, please take it in place of a business card.
TALK - You smell the fancy tuna.

Hello, Blue! I, IenzoTheApprentice, but you can call me whatever you want, xD. Well, seeing how the release of Birth By sleep is coming up in less than a month (cant beleive it). I was bored and decicded to make a logo for the main page. Im not surprised if you choose not to use it, but its just a suggestion. Here it is.

I totally love this! It's really good. :D

——oddishh 20:55, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Talk page archive issues

Hey, Bluer. We seem to be having an issue with WorldOfChaos who is protesting the talk page archive practice. As our rules and practices expert, would you mind giving Kryten and me a hand in explaining the issue to him? I'm going to be out for the evening, so I'm not going to be able to keep an eye on the situation. You might also want to check out his user page. BebopKate 20:50, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for responding pretty late.

Since Wikia allows for wiki's under it to administer their own policy as long as it stands by Wikia guidelines, I personally think our talk archive practice is pretty much in good standing, plus it's pretty much a courtesy to other users who would like to refer back to the messages they left in other user's talk pages. If our community wants it, we might have it in writing pretty soon, though. ^BLUER一番 16:00, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Duplicates

Alright il just fix that up in a jiffy. Thanks for the notice. D.Dark. 18:15, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

BBS Theme

Hi there Bluer :D Since you seem to be pretty much in charge of the Wiki's theme changes and such, may I direct your attention here :P - Ice boy^Svalur! 18:55, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Age Policy

This seems somewhat unfair i would like to hear what would you think about this new insane pollicy from you Mister Bluer--Malevolence Crystalised 14:24, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

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Image deletions

I don't know if more had been uploaded by that point, but when I did my sweep through, I tried to only leave images that were official; that way, even if they weren't being used right then, they were at least usable and available. At least some of the ones you deleted were on the list only because of the improper creditation template, and were actually being used in articles (ex: File:Evil Bumper.jpg). Could you please review the images you deleted and restore any that were being used?Glorious CHAOS! 08:46, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Here's what I've found so far. As a special note for the KH2 FM images, I've uploaded full screenshots of the journal pages to the main talk page, so anyone with good image software can upload high-quality copies.Glorious CHAOS! 09:39, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

"I will restore these for licensing, without which they will be deleted again. "

Could you please explain what licensing they would need? I've never really dealt with that side of things.

I believe the version of the Xehanort image with the picture frame is official, and would be more useful.

Keyblade of Terra is an impossible to find image of the Lingering Sentiment's Keyblade. It should be used on that page, or on the Terra's Keyblade page (for comparison, as it's not actually Terra's Keyblade]].

The rest I have no problems with. If the uploader wants them deleted, then that is fine with me.Glorious CHAOS! 10:41, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Needed images (must be restored or replaced with higher quality)

Official but optional images (demo screenshots or scans)

User images (need to ask whoever's still using them)

Protections

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?"
TALK - Glorious CHAOS! 04:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I locked those pages at the explicit request of several editors; I believe the discussion is at Talk:Vanitas. I have given the reason why I agreed with the requests here. Please discuss actions such as mass unprotects with the community in the future.

De-modding

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside!
TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!"

There are several users that agree to the de-modding of DTN. He has been mean, bossy, and annoying. Bossing around the wiki should really be a Admin's job.

Users That agree to the de-modding

—Demonic Kunai 14:24, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
I like De Op better but this works too ^.^ Prinnyvolence Dood! 14:27, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
Riku's Love 14:30, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

joekeybladeaura 00:37, February 3, 2010 (UTC) Users That Disagree With the de-modding.

Coroxn 18:12, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
Lev L 18:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
I fail to see how he's "mean", he doesn't abuse his status in any way, and "bossy and annoying" are not valid reasons.--Lapis of the Night 18:21, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
Xion4 ever 19:14, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
Random!to a point! 20:02, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
I agree he can be a little bossy, but its no reason to de-mod him. KingdomKeyDarkside 20:42, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 02:10, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

I might be able to assess the situation or act out something if I know what transpired to this in the first place,

HeartofOblivion ^{Talk to me!} — There was something important... Oh yes! I've decided on the pancakes. Blueberry!

_{Can you get me some cotton candy? Blue, not PINK !!!! — 02:20, January 25, 2010 (UTC)}

DTN brought up the fact that people are still using talk pages for just random chit-chat. He created this forum thread with an idea to possibly correct this. He put it up for discussion because although we have stated this rule about talk pages more than once, it still continues. The users who voted "against him" did not like this idea and are now claiming he is mean, bossy and needs to be de-modded now.

I'm against the de-modding. Sure, he has raised my eyebrows with three issues,

User space,
Admin templates,
Spoiler policy ;

which I managed to address over the IRC this morning, but apart from that, I believe he's a good user and a good mod. Assess the situation carefully, if you must — but I believe that shouldn't be a reason for de-modding.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:29, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Remodelling of the Manual of Style

We were supposed to remodel the Manual of Style somewhere last October but it turns out that the games have been released before we deliberated on anything.

Please join me on this page and raise the issues that you believe need to be raised in the MOS, or anywhere at all.

I'll be waiting ! Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban ! 04:23, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Please ?

Kalau ada masa nanti please join me kat IRC ya ? :P Sunyi betul IRC nihhhhh...

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 13:51, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Help with administrator assigning

TheLunarEclipse - "Then I shall make you see...that I am the cutest thing since the kitten!"
TALK - My cuteness is overwhelming!

Hi, I am ZTG. I have created another wiki, and I am the only one on right now. I was curious on how to make others Administrators because Square Enix Rocks is helping out. Still, I thought since you are a Bure (What ever it is), I was thinking you could help me. Thanks, and see you round!

TheLunarEclipse - "Then I shall make you see...that I am the cutest thing since the kitten!"
TALK - My cuteness is overwhelming!

Oh, thank you. That is great, and no, I haven't already done it ^_^. Thanks for your help!

Response is on Azul's talk page.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 01:47, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 02:43, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Kupopo, kupo?

KU-PHEH ! *pokes Bluer on the side*

I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • Trois Nyx Étienne — 02:51, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

How's it going ?

Just checking in to say hi. Hope everything's okay over your side.

Aku sedih betul la. >_>

Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 13:25, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Description

Hi Bluerfn. I noticed that the wiki didn't have a customized MediaWiki:Description, which provides metadata information, so I just edited it. Feel free to tweak it as you see fit. JoePlay<staff /> (talk) 17:44, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sooooo, we all agreed

On DoorToNothing and HeartOfOblivion. I've already notified them, so all that's left is for you to adminitizate them. Thanks!Glorious CHAOS! 12:10, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Nice spoiler

Front page warns about Spoiler Policy for new games, then the featured article about the oathkeeper, right below this spoiler policy update, ironically just spoiled part of 358/2 days for me (dealing with xion and roxas). Not sure if you're the one in charge of that or whatever, but to whoever is tell them thanks a lot.

Oh, and in case you're wondering about the Spoiler Policy, that applies to BBS, since the English version is yet to be released. Not sure if you'd be able to see this, but it's downright unreasonable to implement a Spoiler Policy for 358, since it's long been out in stores and the endings would've been spoiled on YT by now. So get a life, smarty pants. TROISNYX

AM D G 07:04, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT 07:14, April 14, 2010 (UTC) : Sorry Blue, I just had to do it ^_^ TROISNYX

AM D G

Ya ampun, miscommunication ! Who said what on your page, then ?? I'm really sorry about the misunderstanding ; I didn't think it was you at all !! TROISNYX

AM D G 13:43, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

New mods

Hey, Bluer. We've got two new mods to promote: Xion4Ever and Neumannz. If you could upgrade them when you get a moment, that would be terrific. BebopKate 05:24, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

drop rates

Hey I'm kind of new to the whole editing thing, but shouldn't there be drop rates on more pages than simply the item page itself? I mean, take Bambi. It has absolutely zero drop rate sections, which makes the page quite the candidate for the cleanup drive, which by the way is awesome. So, if you would please add that, it would be much appreciated, thank you.

Special request

Hello, I'm the main administrator of the Spanish version of the Kingdom Hearts wikia. I would like to know whether we could use your chess style backround for our wikia. I know you worked hard to do it so that's why I ask it. --PaS NaS 01:04, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Please see this.Glorious CHAOS! 01:43, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your notice. Please discuss with all parties involved, and tell me the consensus. ^BLUER一番 06:31, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Delete

Hey Bluer, may I ask which article you are refering to? Or is it just the images that I have been nominating? If it's an article, I usually put a reason, but on the images I don't, as most are obviously low quality or unused. I try to put the good ones in if I can, but they don't really have places in most articles, and I've noticed Kryten removing artwork from several articles when he can, so I don't try with that. Any thoughts? KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Okay, so I should just put that as a reason. Okay, thanks. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Um, I'll undo a few of them. Like I said before, I added them to the galleries wherever possible. Several that were unused had no place to fit in, as well most being superseded/ low quality (half the time housing a logo). I'll see if there is space in the galleries, but no promises. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

I'll see what I can do... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

KhMedia

Hey, I'm a staff member of a site called Kingdom Hearts Media, and I was wondering if we could affiliate with the KH Wikia. Here's the link:

www.kingdomheartsmedia.com

Agreeable. We wait for you to link back to our site, and we'll add the link to yours. ^BLUER一番 14:15, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a banner, or should we make it plain text?

Terra's ENG voice.

I saw on imdb.com that Terra will be voiced by Jim Carrey.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1390843/fullcredits#cast

IMDB is not a reliable source. God I love maggosh for making this forum.LapisLazuliScarab20:47, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

TNE and Neumannz

Could you or BK please promote TNE and Neumannz to admin, as per the forum?Glorious CHAOS! 15:49, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

As I said before, you may hold your elections; it does help us in the decision-making process, but in the end BK and I will make the final decisions. ^BLUER一番 06:45, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Oh, sorry, I didn't understand that's what you meant.

A few questions:

Promoting the current mods (TNE and Neumannz) was one of the planks of the discussion from the beginning, not part of the election bit.
Could you provide the discussion transcript for this decision, or any sort of background for it?User:KrytenKoro

Right, it's all covered, so don't worry ^^

What, and reveal my secret recipe for creamy white mousse!? Impossible; it's lost when the oven caught fire, and I didn't write anything down >< ^BLUER一番 05:05, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I NEED HELP

Hi Bluerfn. I am new here and there is some stuff i need to know. Such as the textboxes, profile boxes, and those boxes which you pu stuff in such as this user is a male or this user is Australian. PLEZE HELP

Looks like you had help! Good to see know ^^ ^BLUER一番 05:13, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Permission.

Hi there, nice to meet you. Sorry for bothering you but I've something that I want to talk to you.

Well, I'm kingofgame981, you maybe didn't know me, I'm a fan of Kingdom Hearts (a crazy-fan) from Vietnam. Today I send this talk to you to ask for permission, I want to make a KHwiki for Vietnam long time ago but it's just only me and I don't know anything about code (HTML, PHP, ...). Seeing other wikies like Final Fantasy was turned into Vietnamese, my... eh... loved for KH and wanted peoples in Vietnam know KH just like FF (It's rare to see a person over 17 years old like me love KH in Vietnam, people just know FF or other famous games like God of War, Gear of Wars, ...) and that's my big dreams (just know.)

So, I want to re-trans all of you guys wiki-info for my Vietnamese wiki, and re-use all of yours code on all pages cause I can't write code, just some simple of BB code. And can I change something like background or color if I can use it?

Eh... I don't know where to ask because there is an organization of administators, and you are the first one (with the Xemnas avatar) so I think you're a leader... Hehe...

I don't know if I've any mistake in this letter because I still study writing English (I'm relly bad in grammar) but hope you forgive for those mistakes. And thanks for reading my talk, hope you reply soon.

Oh yeah, and can I ask you something, how can you guys choose which member can be an administator, because I still not have enough experience in this. How can you guys believe that there is no one can't ... eh... edit your post into something else that isn't right (I don't know the right word to use.) And how long since KHwiki work until know?

Hehe, sorry for bothering you, I'm asking to much. ^^ Sorry, hope you reply soon. Oh yeah, my email, kingofgame981(at)gmail(dot)com if you want to reply it in there.

(Typing in HTML background totally hard...)

Check out your talk page ^^ ^BLUER一番 16:04, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Knock knock.

Tolong reply kat sini. Please see this.

This was taken from this morning before I came on, and I must tell you a very disturbing trend that I have observed, which some people are failing to acknowledge.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 01:45, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 03:58, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Policing anything needs commitment, and it fails if those given the responsibility is not committed. It won't work if those given the responsibility aren't in the same wavelength or mindset. Exercising power is easy, exercising wisdom... that's a different ball game altogether.

Thing is, we just can't speak sense into these people. They are pressing for us to see whether the general public actually accepts swears. I, for one, take offence to swears particularly when they are said as insults or in their sense, but still, where is the self control for these few to just stop ? And we're talking the usual suspects.

Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:17, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 04:50, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Some people like it when the policy they're following are acceptable and of common sense to them. If someone fails to see it in another person's point-of-view, it happens. People do not follow blindly in this day and age, accept faith and concur. It is a norm to question one's nature, seeking answers that conform. When they do not get that, they continue their own path. It is prevalent everywhere.

As much as I have this tendency, I must put it on record that we shouldn't fail to realise that there are others' morals that need to be kept as well. They're not the only ones...

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:55, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 05:08, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, there needs to be understanding from both sides. If everyone can do that, the policies work, or better yet, won't even need to be made in the first place. Commitment, responsibility, understanding... it all comes to that.

Seconded. And if they can't do that ?

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 05:21, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 05:27, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Try to find a common ground that works for everyone, or, persuade them for voluntary removal: if one does not wish to contribute, why must one stay?

Re: Permission

Thank you so much, that's helping me a lot. I'll doing it right now.

All credit to KHwiki. ^^

Eh... some questions.

Hehe... Sorry for bothering you. Truly, I'm stuck with somethings...

- About the template countdown, I did't know how to made it work. '3'
- About the left column like Kingdom Hearts Wiki, Main Series, ... I thought that I've to created a lots of categories, but then it didn't show of, just only a title "Kingdom Hearts VN Wiki", the other like Main Series, ... Does that mean I've to write a page (example like a page of Kingdom Hearts I) then the category will work? *-*
- About the Image section, how can you create something like that, and if I've an image like Sora render then the Sora section will appear that image, right...? Or like the section with an alphabet and in each alphabet, example in K is Kingdom Hearts I and II and COM, ...
- Truly, I didn't know where to changed the background and the logo... :3

Sorry for bothering, these HTML codes relly hard.

--Kingofgame981 10:11, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I've started my wiki when you agreed the permission. My adress is vi.kingdomheartsvn.wikia.com, totally worst.

About the image, does that mean I've to create a place to put those images into it?

I hate to being a newbie, cause it waste so many times of other people, and more...

--Kingofgame981 02:01, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you right, the "vn" isn't necssecary. :3 Haha, Created a new wiki, cause that wiki I was created long ago before get into work.

About the Wikia Gaming Section on the Main Page, I was trying to deleted it because all the link was connected to English Wiki (I was tried to changed the link in Final Fantasy Vietnamese Wiki but it didn't work), but then when I previewed my post I saw that the Main Page become an normal article... Does this section important for the wiki, if true then I won't touch it. :3

And I also got this error when editing the Main Page:
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

   /*id=20100822020239*/ (SQL query hidden)

from within function "Database::delete". Database returned error "1146: Table 'vikingdomhearts.page_wikia_props' doesn't exist (10.8.32.28)".

Affiliation

Hi, I would like to affiliate. Please let me know if you are interested. Name: Mike Website Name: KH-Recharged URL: www.kh-recharged.com

Image

--Kingofgame981 10:26, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Usually when you upload an image, where will this image go? I mean when you still not create the Image Section, example the Enemy Cards Section, that when I upload an Yellow Opera Card, where will this image go?

--Kingofgame981 10:32, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much. :3

E-mail, please

Hey Bluer, if you're about, can you please check your e-mail? I have a question for you. BebopKate 03:19, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Replied =D ^BLUER一番 03:21, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Alas, I fail at clicking on boxes...thank you, spastic wrist tics. Neu has accidentally been made a bureaucrat as well as an admin...who do we need to ask about a reset? Or can we? BebopKate 04:06, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Did you really? XD ^BLUER一番 04:18, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

OH MAN I WISH THERE WAS AN EVIL GRIN EMOTICON... --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 04:30, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

The only damage you can do is remove sysop rights from every admin and/or make everyone bureaucrats, sysops and mods, if you dare to be that crazy. ^BLUER一番 04:35, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

...Well, it's the thought that counts. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 05:25, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Alaaaaaaaaaaaa... :-*

Asal delete the Fact template ? I was told about it this morning and quite a few of us went like "whaaaaaaaaaaaat..."

This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 03:23, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Inline notes for citations needed are absolutely essential. A generic "This article requires more sources" does not address which lines are actually unsupported. This has been standard wiki practice since day one.

However, the template does not mean that the information is disputed and should be removed - it merely means that it is information that should be sourced. Most of the instances I saw and had to revert were ones where I KNOW that the information is correct, I've seen the interview, I just can't find it off hand to provide the citation.

This template has been used often to improve articles, it has long standing within the general wiki community (and copyediting in general), and from what I saw on the IRC, we have community consensus to keep it. Please do not delete it again.Glorious CHAOS! 15:18, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer says at 07:32, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

The Fact template will not work the way it was intended to. Aside from breaking text flow, it is known that these tags will stay in articles for an indefinite amount of time, and so would the dubious statements it was appended on. If you can't prove the statements, you just have to remove it. That would keep the article clean from edit wars. And I rather we use talk pages to actually discuss on those statements, rather than appending that fact tag on the article and risk having people go back and forth on edit wars.

And we have a "Template:References" which is not only redundant to "Template:Unreleased" in that it begs citations for a unreleased game, which the "Unreleased" template can help reduce. The "References" template is much bigger and gain attention for citation for not just unreleased game but also other elements that needed. I think the use of that "References" template should be revised, and the "Fact" template displaced.

And also, sometimes you have to wonder, how do you cite sources for some of the statements? Here's a list of statements that beg to be sourced:

If playing as Riku in "Reverse/Rebirth" in "Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories," a small audio glitch will occur when fighting Ursula. If the boss fight is started by entering the final door, the song "Face It!" (Which is usually played right as Ursula appears) will continue playing during the fight. However, if Riku loses the battle and restarts it from the Continue menu, the usual Boss music will play in it's stead. This does not happen with any other boss in the game or the series.

Roxas also obtains a second Kingdom Key after absorbing Xion; however, this is not Xion's Keyblade, but is in fact Ventus's Keyblade.

As with Destiny Islands and Twilight Town, the only characters native to this world are either Kingdom Hearts-original characters or Final Fantasy characters.

As in Kingdom Hearts, Sora can cast the Gravity spell. The Gravity card appears as the Agrabah Bounty, and unlocks Gravira and Graviga as Sleights. Genie can still cast Gravira, while Jack can cast Gravity, Gravira, or Graviga, depending on which Sleight he is summoned with. Wizard Heartless can still cast Gravity, as well.

If you leave the train station and go back to the market area before Sora meets Yen Sid, the tram cart won't be running, and there will be a sign that says Closed at the Moogle Stand.

Also, if you go to the Sandlot before leaving for Yen Sid's Tower, you will see a cutscene which explains how they end up doing struggle battles.

Sora's Keyblade is known as the "Keyblade of Worlds' Hearts"

The White Mushrooms will stop appearing in Traverse Town after the second episode.

Originally, Wakka was not intended to be in Kingdom Hearts; his role was supposed to be filled by Irvine Kinneas from Final Fantasy VIII

The Assault Rider was originally intended to be included in Kingdom Hearts, but was cut out as no world really "fit well" with it.

Tetsuya Nomura has confirmed in interviews that since "Ansem" and Xemnas were slain in the correct order, Xehanort will return in future installments and that Kingdom Hearts III will feature his final battle against Sora, but it is currently unknown if he will return as Terra-Xehanort or as Master Xehanort.

Although the details of the design vary from world to world, the basic design is based on the real-world Zero Skateboard.

The "3D" part of the game's title will not stand for "Three Dimensional," but rather be an abbreviation for the game's subtitle

Captain Barbossa - Flintlock and cutlass, Undead Pirate-B - Pich, Undead Pirate-C - Blunderbuss

I must wonder... how long do you want that fact template to stay there? Unless you can actually prove your claims you don't go around stating it. I believe a duration of one month is all it takes, otherwise, we must remove those unsourced claims from articles.

I hope the rest of the community did not think that the "Fact" template was there as an ornament, and groaned about it because it disappearing made the article ugly.

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT."
TALK -

I'm sorry that you are interpreting it that way, but half of the "disputed lines" you removed where in no way disputed, and had informal sourcing within comments. The fact tab was there so that someone could go further and find an actual citation from an interview or ultimania. That is the purpose of the fact tab, and how it's been used - NOT to say that something is disputed, but to say that it needs to be cited.

I also have to disagree with the contention that the fact templates just stay there - I've filled in a few myself, and maggosh did some just today as well. They operate no more slowly than any other type of edit process.

For the Riku thing, a link to an example video would do.
For the Roxas thing, the Ultimania. Everyone's familiar with it, they just need to actually spend a few minutes and add it in.
For the Radiant Garden thing, we need confirmation on whether Merlin is native to Radiant Garden or not.
For the Wizard thing, an example video would do.
Example video
Example video
Interview citation
Interview citation
Interview citation
Link to zero brand, or interview citation
Interview citation
Someone look up "flintlock", "cutlass", "blunderbuss", and confirm that those are the right types of weapons.

All of the examples you cited would be VERY EASY to properly cite, we just need someone with the time to do it. Most of them (the interview cite ones) are also well-known to pretty much everyone, and the fact template was simply there to encourage editors to make the article more professional. I hate to have to say it, but your actions in removing all of these statements did harm, not good, to the wiki.

Bluer says at 09:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

KK, look back to the past and realize that you're actually THE person who opted for statement removals. History does not lie. And I'll be the judge of my own actions, and what I did is appropriate as it is. There is more harm in adding unsourced info than removing them.

And I'll cite an example: that fact tag on "Keyblade" has been there since January 2010; and you added it. It's now August 2010. Then, you know there's an interview on it, yet nothing is added.

maggosh ^{The steel is forged...} — "Souls as far as the eye can see..."

_{"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."}

I agree with Kryten; I believe the Fact and Fix templates should not be rendered obsolete.

Bluer says at 13:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

See my latest reply above yours, and try to come up with your own reasons.

KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive."
"Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'"
TALK -

I'm not sure what you're referencing when you talk about being "THE person", but when I outright remove statements, it's usually because I know or think I know that they are false - statements that are plausible and difficult for me to confirm, I tend to mark with the fact template. Re:The one on the Keyblade article - yes, I know I added a lot of these. I also added a hell of a lot of cites to articles that needed them. I also am extremely busy, and am already sacrificing most of my free time for this wiki, and please forgive me if I say "I can confirm this as true, but please can someone who has more available time do the bureaucratic work in adding the citation correctly."

There is not harm in adding unsourced info if it is info that is confirmed, and merely lacks a proper citation. Nearly all of the uses of the fact tag are ones that, had I the time, I could point to exactly where Nomura says them - they are verifiable, and confirmed. The harm is in ignoring unsourced info when it is not confirmed or verifiable - and lacking the fact template would have us either ignoring this info, or removing all of it and leaving nothing. It's a tremendously helpful tool, whereas the maintenance templates we have now, honestly, would be better as task boxes at the top of the talk page, like wikipedia sometimes does.

Bluer says at 14:13, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Let me remind you then. This diff. You're the one who put the addendum to remove statements one week after they aren't backed with citation. You contradicted yourself then.

Also, your other contributions aren't relevant to the discussion, as is all your "sacrifices"; you chose to spend your time here; nobody in the wiki persuaded you to. Also, you know the reference, yet you leave it to another person to add it - that's not possible if there's isn't any source given. And citation work isn't limited to bureaucrats. In fact, Wiki-ing isn't a job.

As for the template, I'm illustrating an example from Keyblade. Just minutes after adding that Reference template, an editor manages to cite the statement. Whereas that "fact" template, which has been there for at least eight months, wasn't of any help. Wikipedia is as Wikipedia does, but what they do isn't relevant here, we're not Wikipedia. I don't remember us trying to be like Wikipedia either.

KrytenKoro - Ṱ͐͒H̫̾̃E͈͔͍͔̾̋ͦ̕ ͇̜͖͉̘̬͙̃̇̊͜N͙͉̑̓̌ͤĬ̸͇̖͈͒̃G̮̠̟͖̝̩ͧ͊̈́H̽͌̀T͚̹̝̐ͬ̂̔̄ ̿̈́̊̃ͦ͆͑A̘̝̖ͪͯ́̀ͣ̿̃͝I̟͑ͬR̡͎̩̚ ̠̪̈́̑̏̏̋C̯̲ͩ́͐͒͂ͪ͜Ä͍̜̣̼̹́͌̋̀͒͂ͅN̅͐̆ͪ̓̋ͩ ̣ͮͧͧ͌Ả̼̤̜̫̩̜̾̕L͓͓̺̤̘̠̀W̷̭̯̼͗͂ͦ̾͒A̘͓̰̠͉͇̬Y̵̒ͧͩ̇ͅS ̦̻̯̟̮̭̟̓̒͑͋C̮̱͔͔̖̯ͦͧͨ͋̑A̤ͩ̉̅ͪR̞͉̣̦̪̜̮͛̉̎̀ͩ̍̇R̢̥̳̝̟̺̣̈Y͗͋̅͏͇̳̪͎̺ ̭͈͍̝̣͍̒̎̑͘O̖̗͇̲̲̖͊̈́̿ͨ͑ͅN̩̰͉͍͍͖͙E̩̹̣̰̣͓̖̽̊͡ ̲̮͔̯̦̋̿ͧͫ̓ͅM͇̌͌̔́O̱̫̯̬̤̗̲͛R̙̽Ȅ̥̦̫̺͙̩̒ͯͭ́ ̖̫̯͉̱ͣͯͩ͊͐͆ͫS̰̿̊̑̋ͩ̇ͅC̘̣̜͍̆̆ͧ͜R̞̾͐̋̆̚Ë̡͇̓A̙͈M̡̤̙̈
TALK -

"or informally (links posted in a talk page discussion) within one week of being posted, or it will be removed.", and I usually leave the comments. But yes, what I am saying now is different than then, and I should probably remove that. I was wrong to put such a shot timespan there, considering how much time people have.

I usually leave the source within comments after the fact tag. That in and of itself is informal citation. For the Isa VA one, we even had a cite, it was just obsolete, and needed to be replaced with a more permanent link. As to my "sacrifices", I was referring to 1) I've filled in cites that were marked many times before, so it's not something that doesn't happen, and 2) Dammit, I'm busy most of the time, and at those times it's appropriate for me to get the article done or fact-checked and simply leave the time-consuming bureaucratic work (and here I am obviously referring to "filling out the paperwork", not your own position) to either a free editor or myself, later.

As per the last: It was maggosh who added the cite, not some random anon, and you can ask him yourself what got him to do it - judging by his reply above, I'm guessing it wasn't an appreciation for the new references template.

maggosh ^{The steel is forged...} — "Souls as far as the eye can see..."

_{"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."}

Actually, I added that citation just for the sake of taking that template off the page.

Bluer says at 16:29, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

"not some random anon"? Failure to read. I mention "an editor"; if s/he wants credit s/he can ask for it. In any case, the Reference template worked: notification templates, Fact or otherwise aren't supposed to be stuck on articles that long, and you know it.

@Maggosh: Nobody wants "horrid" maintenance templates on an article.

KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!"
TALK -

Jeebus, please assume good faith. When I said "not a random anon", I meant that it was someone who was watching what was going on - maggosh was even one of the ones reverting the removal of fact templates, I believe. Maggosh didn't just happen by the article and say "Oh, hullo, there's a request for more citations here, let's dance!" He was invested in the events as they happened, (also I was chatting with him as we usually do), and he decided to just get the citing out of the way then to stop the removal of the section. It was not the template that did it, it was a reaction to your own edits in removing part of the page and adding the template.

(if I am interpreting you correctly, then) On a fundamental level, making the pages look ugly in order to force editors to complete a needed task, basically from revulsion, is a bad process. Very few pages will ever be "absolutely finished", and deciding to leave them in a horrible-looking state until their issues are addressed is basically saying "leave the wiki looking like a mess", and will likely drive new editors away, or give them a poor opinion of the wiki. Requests for maintenance should not be invisible, no, but they should also not be disruptive. Honestly, we should either move the maintenance templates to the talk pages, or make them much simpler, similar to the translation or section-stub templates. In some way, they need to be much smaller and to the point.

On an aside, if you do use a maintenance template like that, it needs to specify what exactly needs sourcing. "Section: Keychains - Sora's Keyblade the Keyblade of World's Hearts?. " is kind of unclear, and I doubt that someone who wasn't already watching the edits would be able to add the correct cite. It should specify the line "Sora's Keyblade is known as the "Keyblade of Worlds' Hearts"", at the least.

Bluer says at 17:23, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

You know what, KK, I think our maintenance templates does need an overhaul. I left a message on BK's talk page which has relevance to this issue.

In any case, I'm not for ugly articles, but I'm also not for neglected articles. We all have a common goal here. I see that the template is now not obsolete, and if you think we should use it, then we'll use it for the betterment of an article. As I said, I only edit to make sure the wiki delivers what it's meant to. If there's a dubious statement, after giving enough time to have it cleared, I'll remove it. But my aim remains the same, as that's why I used my time to maintain the wiki, when I can do other more important things..

Moderator Rights

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 08:36, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Bluerfn. I know we're not that well acquainted, but I was curious about what exactly a moderator can do, at least since the rights were changed (have they been changed yet?):

So we can move pages without a redirect (technically a deletion power by supressing it or something?)
We also seem to be able to block IP's now? I don't recall that being part of the list of rights and such, and I've never done it, but is this possible?

If I could have greater elaboration on everything a moderator can do as of the most recent staff promotion, I'd appreciate it. All the best, ENX :-)

Oh, all right. Thank you. I'm sure as BebopKate works on her administration guide, she can do one for moderators, as well. I'll ask her about that. No other moderator has mentioned being able to do this (my user rights only say "rollback" if you're curious), but when I look at a page's history, I see (undo|block) [rollback]. I asked Azul about this, and when he said to try blocking him, it wouldn't work. I haven't tried going to an IP's contribution list and then blocking from there like I've done as an admin on other Wikis, but I do get the option to block an IP in the edit history of a page. - EternalNothingnessXIII 08:50, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Then apparently, KrytenKoro didn't know what he was talking about, either. Yes, that does seem like quite the rivetting experience :D - EternalNothingnessXIII 08:59, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, it is easy to understand. Thank you ^_^ - EternalNothingnessXIII 17:35, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Wiki talk:Votes for Featured Users

Glorious CHAOS! 17:28, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification! ^BLUER一番 00:27, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Kog981 - "I'm the mistress of all evil!"
TALK - "You poor, simple fools. You think you can defeat me?"

Hello... Heheh... Sorry for bothering you again this time, it's me, kingofgame981.

Well, actually I'm ready for translate Kingdom Hearts I, the other days before I was trying understand a lot of templates (it relly confusing me). So... I have a question about the menu on the left of the wiki.

It's hard to explain for a person bad in English like me. Actually, I just know that I've to use the "*" when I click in the line "Edit this menu" for each line on the menu on the left of the wiki, but how can I spilt it into more like the title "Main Game" on yours menu:

Click on it, it will bring you to the Main Page of the Wiki, not the page to show what will it have in the Main Game.
Move the mouse into the title "Main Game" and it will show the "Kingdom Hearts I, Kingdom Heart II, ...". Even though, exmaple the Kingdom Hearts I, I thought it must have the Category like "Category: Main Game" so that the "Main Game" will show the "Kingdom Hearts I". Am I right...?

And, I've to change another background of the wiki in Monaco custom theme, right?

Hehe... eh... maybe so much question. :3 The bubble talk totally awesome. X3 Looks like I forgot to put in the title for the topic...