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I don't think that characters or places from V Cast should have their own articles, seeing as V Cast isn't canon to the series and is more like a side thing, such as manga or the KH card game. Everything from V Cast should be kept in that one article. Guardian Soul 07:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
But even KH V Cast has its own elements. Too many elements on one page would mean clutter ! Why not, those with substantial info have articles of their own, while those which are stubs, we merge them onto the main KH V Cast page. What say you ?
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Agreed, i had no idea the character exsisted in the KH Universe, which V cast isnt really, but also kind of is just not really cannonical but it has a good image, maybe there isnt a lot of info but theres pages out there with a lot less and there still there. I say we keep it.
V Cast or not, it's a game made of Kingdom Hearts. Though it's unofficial, it is part of the KH universe.
Lt.Haven - I shall scatter your hearts to the empty winds! TALK - The Warped Master
While Kingdom Hearts V Cast is not part of the main series of Kingdom Hearts, it is put under the Kingdom Hearts Wiki due to its title. While Kingdom Hearts V CAST remains a part of this Wiki, any characters, worlds, and the plot should remain with it.
I think Disorganizationxiii needs to be Deletion. its fan stuff. so I'll leave you guys to remove itEliskuya2 17:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I object. It's really the best out of all parodies out there and clearly deserves it's own wiki. It's not really fan stuff. If it were fan stuff, it would just be somebody saying, "I LOVE ORGANIZATION XIII!" or just put random pics and facts about kingdom hearts on the page. It's an official series taht should be kept here. Please. I worked forever on that page.
We don't do fan works here, unless it's on a user page. And even then, we're not big fans of shameless self-promotion. Deleted. BebopKate 02:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
well its up again bebop can we just block things like thatEliskuya2 04:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Did someone just roll back the changes to Disorganization XIII ? o.O It's the same as I last saw it.
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they need to make a wiki for all fan things and ect. and I hope this time it gets deletionEliskuya2 04:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
yeah. I mean, KHWiki is meant for official KH stuff. For a moment there I was all fascinated with the idea of Disorganization XIII, but na, it shouldn't take its place here.
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yeah let my friend bebop duel with it. and troisnyxetienne come to my page if you need some hints on KHEliskuya2 16:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
XienZo got it the other two times. Protected now, and if it somehow reappears, the poster is banned. BebopKate 02:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
if I see a other I well late you guys duel with it peaceEliskuya2 02:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Eliskuya2: Sure thing. :) I'm counting on you for that one.
BebopKate: I have a feeling something's seriously wrong. When did you guys last delete the page ?
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Today. It's protected, so we should be fine for now. BebopKate 04:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
its back and I find who makes the thing its DISORGANIZATIONXIIILOVER Eliskuya2 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Talk about someone who is true to his name. Guys, can we get the thing deleted and barred already ?
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I am with you troisnyxetEliskuya2 05:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
He's posting under multiple IPs, so we can only ban the IPs he posts under and block the article names. If this continues, I will alert the Wikia admins to help us out. In the meantime, just post here to let XienZo or me know to delete and keep wiking away as normal. I have also alerted the Disorganization XIII people to keep our bases covered. Just console yourself that you have more of a life than this guy does. ^_^ BebopKate 05:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Eliskuya2: thankies. and thank goodness you didn't call me trois ^_^
BebopKate: I'm beginning to wonder if that's all the author of DXIII does with his life. Honestly. I mean, how does he gain access to that many computers ?
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I think if I see a other again block the user and the site to the "Disorganizationxiii" thing as well and good night brother Bebop and sister TroisnyxeEliskuya2 11:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Sure. Oyasumi !
Er, by the way. Just how do we block a user ? o.O
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Only admins have the power to block users, so right now it's mostly me and XienZo doing the job. And we can only block them if they have one IP address or a username. If they are posting from multiple IPs like some of our more famous past trolls have done, there's really nothing we can do other than block the IPs they are using and protect the pages. Wikia is working on a way to block people who abuse IPs, but it's a long way off in getting done. The only thing we can do at the moment is what we've been doing: revert, protect, and ban. For the record, I think you guys are doing a wonderful job of fixing and keeping up with these things; it's been a huge help to me and XienZo. Just be patient and understand that with the good of the wiki (free editing) comes the bad (vandalizing jerks and trolls).
By the way, I feel this needs to be said: DO NOT SPAM OR DOWNVOTE THE DISORGANIZATION XIII YOUTUBE CHANNEL! The people behind it are not the ones who are doing this; I have been in contact with them. It is one of their fans. They are looking around on their end and have made it clear they are not any happier about it than we are, and have apologized for it. I hope whoever has been doing this realizes the potential damage he or she is doing to something they apparently enjoy. BebopKate 18:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Far as I know, I never downvoted Disorganization XIII before... I'm yet to watch them, actually. But darn it man. Now we are plagued by this jerk who keeps changing computers like anything !
ugh, and I realised that this is the longest discussion in Pages for Deletion.
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There's a page called TroisNyxEtienneText, under templates
Please do me a favour and remove it. At the time of creation I had just started using Wikia and I had no idea about the Sandbox. That page is kinda redundant now because I've already got my own talk template.
Thanks !
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Got it. Thanks for letting us know. ^_^ BebopKate 05:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Don't mention it. Oh, thank goodness it's gone !
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Arch Behemoth and Destroyed Behemoth
The two articles are stubs, and the two enemies are palette swaps of the original Behemoth. Methinks they should be removed and fused with the original Behemoth, and their appearances should be listed there as well. Just like we did for Rune Master and all those other palette-swap Final Mix enemies. What do you think ?
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If that's the case, definitely. I'd only make another page if the stats and abilities were different. A redirect from Arch Behemoth and Destroyed Behemoth would be a good idea, too. BebopKate 21:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}
I don't agree with this. Destroyed Behemoth and Arch Behemoth are still different enemies, they've been given their own titles in the journal, and our manual of style states that every enemy gets it's own article. Just because they look similar doesn't change the fact that they're different enemies, if that were the case, you might as well merge Red Nocturne, Blue Rhapsody, ect. together. Those two Behemoth pages just need a little work.
Come to think of it, the Rune Master and the Bookmaster are two different Heartless too. Spring Metal and Emerald Blues are different. But what can unite them in one page is their fighting style. Thing about Arch Behemoth, Destroyed Behemoth and the real deal is this - their fighting style is no different (even if there's no proper sequence to their attacks). Maybe the only thing that differs is the amount of experience gained from each boss, but honestly, what can we talk about for Arch Behemoth and Destroyed Behemoth ?
Of course, you can't do the same for Red Nocturne/Blue Rhapsody because of their different element and fighting style. Same goes for Crimson Jazz/Emerald Blues. But ultimately, we've gotta combine enemies with the same moves in the same page, don't you think ?
I'm already running out of words to put in those two articles - 'cause there's just too little to think of.
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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
For those who don't know (and from what I understand), there were two types of enemy changes made in Final Mix: ones like Sniper Wild, Pink Agaricus, and others that were based on existing Heartless, but had their own movesets and abilities. Then, there were ones like Behemoth (along with Red Armor, Stealth Sneak, and a few others) which were little more than a palette swap, a new name, and a new journal entry; however, their fighting styles are exactly the same, with no new abilities added or old ones taken away.
While the Manual of Style does say that all enemies get their own page, I don't think it anticipated a situation like this. I have a feeling that this will happen again as new games and new versions of old games come out, so this is probably a good time to set down some rules for this situation.
So...any other editors have any feelings on the Behemoth Conundrum? Honestly, it seems kind of silly to me to make two pages that are practically identical other than the game involved and the picture with it, but I'll go with majority rule (unless we get silly about this. ^_^)
It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}
Well, I suppose you can just add them to the Behemoth page, but I think that if we're going to do that, then there are some other similar enemies that should be grouped together.
If there's an evident difference in fighting style between two similar-looking enemies, then they should have their separate pages. Palette swaps should be combined. Or at least, I'm upholding that view. The same goes for Trick Ghost and Magic Ghost, their pages can be combined into one.
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As of now, the Behemoth article does not mention Arc or Destroyed Behemoth's at all, and in fact incorrectly reports that regular Behemoth's were seen in the 1000 Heartless battle. Before any deletions occur, how about the sections be merged first?
A the Digimon Wiki, we've had a similar problem, and we've dealt with it with a middle ground between the two positions advocated here. As seen in articles like this one, each version of a "type" of enemy is given a section in the page - kind of like a list article. This method could also be applied to Red Nocturne types, so that there's not too much hair-splitting and argumentation - all of that "type" of enemy is in one article, but each gets its own section. So, Soldiers and Stealth Soldiers would be on one page, all five types of mushrooms, etc. The only problem then is figuring out a name for the entire article - I would suggest Behemoth Heartless, Wizard Heartless (as the rhapsodies/nocturnes are all said to be a subset of Wizard class), Soldier Heartless, Mushroom Heartless, etc. (or some version of that naming scheme). This way, you could
Get rid of short, stubby articles, by changing them into short sections of a larger page
Allow readers to directly and easily compare variations of a central theme
Allow editors to see how the other sections are formatted, allowing for greater unity of article design between similar enemies.
Really, the only problem with this approach is determining the name of the merged article, but that shouldn't be too hard.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromonsurvived intact. 20:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
So, that means we group Heartless of similar "species" into one article ? Sounds good to me.
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I've placed the info on Arch and Destroyed Behemoths on the parent article (Behemoth). Now, all I need is for someone to make the article more presentable. There are pictures all over the place.
EDIT : KrytenKoro and I gathered all the Behemoth info on one page. Think we should remove the separate pages for Arc and Destroyed Behemoths, and redirect them ?
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Cerberus never actually communicates with Sora verbally, so his main page can also be considered his enemy page. We don't really need an enemy version if we can include everything on the main article.
Hm. Moving all the strategy info to the main page sounds good.
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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
I want some thoughts on this, since Cerberus isn't the only character with this issue. For established characters that don't do much other than serve as a battle (Cerberus, Hydra, etc), do we really need a separate enemy page? Anyone else want to say their piece?
It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}
That's pretty much how it's already being handled. Chernabog, Ice Titan, Rock Titan, Sabor, all of their strategies are on their main pages. The only characters who should have enemy articles are the ones who actually communicate and have a part in the plot besides serving as a boss fight. I fixed the Hydra article btw, so the Hydra (Enemy) article can be deleted too.
Fair enough. Proceed. Related vids can also be shifted to the character pages.
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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
Done and done. Thank you for fixing the Hydra article, Guardian Soul. ^_^
Thankies. :)
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Just because there's little info about V CAST dosen't mean we should delete pages about it. Shouldn't this wiki include info about all things KH? Myself 123 23:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, my thoughts exactly. Just because it's V-Cast doesn't mean it's not Kingdom Hearts, which means it should remain on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Xahno 00:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I totally agree on that. Charmed-Jay, 23 February, 2009
It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}
I agree that V CAST should be included on this wiki, however I think that all of the content should be placed on that one page, since V CAST is not an official Kingdom Hearts game. There isn't even that much information, so why not keep it there?
That's dosen't seem like a bad idea. Myself 123 21:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
Good call, Guardian Soul. I would go one step further and actually add a redirect to the V CAST article instead of deleting it completely.
I noticed it was nominated for deletion, I totally agree with that. I was trying to create a new userbox and titled it wrong, so the article is worthless. Sorry guys!
Images
All of the images listed for deletion are superseded files that have been replaced with cleaner images and standardized names. Please delete them.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromonsurvived intact. 23:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, it was removed from the game. Secondly, it's a palette swap of Ultima Weapon. And thirdly, there isn't any picture for it in the menu - the only thing we can see is a map icon !
Think we should have this page removed and transfer all the info in it to its parent article, Ultima Weapon ?
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KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK -
Sounds good to me. The trivia section would be the best place, I think.
Agreed. Deleted. BebopKate 01:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The language-0 templates
I had a talk with Xiggie and Xahno yesterday and we were thinking : since this is an English wiki, then the only language-0 template we need is en-0 (that too, after someone helps us to deal with it !). If we don't speak (insert random language here) then we don't indicate anything, do we ?
So I think we should remove the fr-0, ja-0 and is-0 templates. What say you ?
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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
Yup, I agree. Like I said before, if we were a multi-language wiki, these would make more sense.
It's one of the stubbiest articles ever. And plus, it's the only variant of Wyvern in Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix. So both the Wyvern and the Arch Wyvern have the same moveset, bu the Arch Wyvern is a palette swap of the former.
Think we should have that article removed and all the info transferred to Wyvern ?
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Sounds like a good idea. I think that the picture of the Arch Wyvern should be included in the section where it will be mentioned, so that those who haven't seen one before will know what it looks like (I'm having this same problem with the Necromancer, the more powerful form of Shaman Heartless).
I have a feeling this talk about Heartless and their Final Mix counterparts isn't gonna end. Not very long ago I posted something about the Behemoths and their variants. Now I get the same problem with the Wyverns. Why all the clutter...
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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
Indeed, the entire Behemoth Conundrum issue above. I recall we decided to merge palette variations in with their originals, in spite of the different names. If someone will slide this info into Wyvern, I'll come back and redirect this one.
I've just managed to slide the info on Arch Wyvern into its parent article (Wyvern). I've even placed the picture - only need someone to make it more presentable.
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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}}
On the subject of TroisNyxÉtienne's objection to Maleficent's group, I seem to recall an article extremely similar to Maleficent's group, only it went under the article name of The Hellfire Club, or simply Hellfire Club. While it is a group, yes, it has no apparent name, and a fandom-crazed Anonymous probably through it up here for lulz.
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Deleted...and that Maleficent Group article needed, at the least, a major rewrite. I mean, "Male Ficent" doesn't sound like something we need to be writing about on this wiki...
But as Trois points out, it's pretty redundant anyway. So unless someone wants to speak for it, I'll take it out tomorrow.
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I say get rid of it. All of the information on Maleficent's group can easily be added to the articles of the actual members.
Ultima just made an edit. Methinks he was unaware of the discussion going on here. Hope he sees this...
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No, on my comp as a .txt
I made some major improvements to the page some time ago, so obviously I'd rather it stuck around. Besides, I think having a page about the group itself is harmless, and since they were organized, I don't think scattering tyhe info on the page to the individual's pages is a good idea. Especially considering that the member list may expand in the coming games. 69.207.151.166 03:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Category:Weapon Card Images
Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test.
Did not think that we had a category for weapon cards, aparantly we do. -
KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK -
I fixed the link so that your text shows, and so that it doesn't show up in that category.
We are all skeptical over the originality of that image. Also, nothing official's been said by Nomura about this. The way the article's written (it's stubby too !) - it kinda tells me some SoraxKairi-crazed anonymous would've done this. Think we should have it removed ?
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Yeah, the image is an obvious shop.
Image and article Deleted. BebopKate 01:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a page called Category:Secret drive form
Despite it being poorly written, I think I get what that user's trying to say, and methinks the info should be pushed over to the Trivia section in Valor Form. Again, think we should have this page removed ?
It was posted by an unknown IP add, and this guy just added the category over there, but I removed it.
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