User talk:73.76.130.254

"Also like the other KH templates the party members will be ordered in appearance of their respective worlds.)"

That is not how the other navboxes are arranged. I'm confused where you got that impression."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

"That is not how the other navboxes are arranged. I'm confused where you got that impression."

How is this not making any sense to you, I did this because the other KH Templates had the Party members listed in order of the world's you go to in the game, so i don't see why not to have the party members . If you don't believe me, then look at them before you start "twisting the facts" and having them listed in "alphabetical order" instead:

1. Template:KH 2. Template:COM 3. Template:KH2 4. Template:BBS 5. Template:DDD

Besides, The first round of worlds in KH3 will be the following: Olympus, Toy Story and Monster's Inc. It was from the Translated Famitsu article Famitsu - Kingdom Hearts 3 D23 Japan 2018 & Famitsu-Details-Some-of-KH3-s-World-Order-Pudding-Heartless-Gummi-Ship-Customisation-and-More-11333. Say what you want on how this site likes to be run but the sources I got were cited and reliable information.--73.76.130.254 17:20, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

The first template is not a navbox.

The CoM template lists them mostly alphabetically - it's not in game order, because it has Ariel before Jack. The DDD template doesn't have NPC party members.

Accusing me of "twisting the facts" is incredibly bad faith and rude. Please don't do it.

"the sources I got were cited and reliable information" - khinsider is not a primary source, and the famitsu article didn't say what you were claiming. You seem to have an understanding of what defines a primary source - it means something coming directly from the author themselves, or for example an interview they have approved. Commentary from a fansite is not a primary source. You are not helping the wiki at all by repeatedly neglecting basic prudence and other editors' corrections."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

"You seem to have an understanding of what defines a primary source - it means something coming directly from the author themselves, or for example an interview they have approved.

Commentary from a fansite is not a primary source. You are not helping the wiki at all by repeatedly neglecting basic prudence and other editors' corrections."

Accusing me of "bad faith and being rude" is incredibly disresspectful from an administrator running this site and going out of line. Please don't do it and it's ironic that 4 months ago that you were going to stop editing on this site, and here you are continuing to heckling me and every non-registerd user saying stuff about the "sources aren't final" "reliable sources are not connected, regardless of good faith" YOU NEED TO STOP YOUR overreaction at me and with anyone. Don't you even accept articles, press releases as reliable sources anymore?--73.76.130.254 21:25, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

"from an administrator" -- I'm not an administrator.

"going out of line" -- I've strictly followed the wiki's consensus policy this entire time. As demonstrated by multiple other editors and staff members having the same view.

"Accusing me of "bad faith and being rude" is incredibly disresspectful" -- you explicitly accused me of "twisting the facts", i.e., intending to go in and change the navboxes in order to lie about what the precedent was. That's poisoning the well, and it's by definition bad faith.

"and it's ironic that 4 months ago that you were going to stop editing on this site" -- even granting for the sake of discussion your misunderstanding of what I had done, what does that have to do with this discussion? Why would that be ironic?

"and every non-registerd user" -- no, you're the only IP editor I've seen in the last few months that's breaking the rules and edit warring with multiple members. It sounds like you're trying to derail the discussion and portray this as some sort of "KrytenKoro is a rogue admin who hates IP editors", which doesn't make sense because I am neither (1) going outside of the consensus rules, (2) an admin, or (3) debating with any other IP editor but you. Please focus on the topic, don't try to turn this into victimization farce.

"Don't you even accept articles, press releases as reliable sources anymore?" -- posts written by the fans who work on khinsider are not press releases. They are not primary sources. I don't understand why you seem to be implying there is something wrong with not mistakenly believing they are primary sources. A press release or primary source requires direct interaction with the actual authors, not secondhand commentary. They may be informative to fans, but they are no more a primary source than the wiki itself is.

"YOU NEED TO STOP YOUR overreaction at me" -- ??? I've reminded you of the wiki's policies, repeatedly, and cleaned up after your edits when you violate those policies. I've put in the work that you have neglected to do in finding acceptable citations for as much of your content as I could. In return, you've gotten increasingly aggressive and defensive against any sort of reminder that you are edit warring and violating policy. I'd like to point out that actual administrators (not just editors like me) have reverted your edits, and yet you keep pushing them through. That kind of behavior usually winds up in a block for edit warring -- though I'll remind you that, since I'm not a staff member, I would not be the one blocking you, so this is not a "KrytenKoro coming down on 73" situation.

Dude. Seriously. The game looks like it's going to come out soon. We're getting new, verifiable, primary-sourced info by the day. There are plenty of things you can do to contribute in a way the wiki's policies allow, like writing the sandbox articles. I don't understand why you're so determined to violate policy on a small template that by definition can't even be considered usable until the game is actually released and all this back and forth is moot."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:12, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

"Dude. Seriously. The game looks like it's going to come out soon. We're getting new, verifiable, primary-sourced info by the day. There are plenty of things you can do to contribute in a way the wiki's policies allow, like writing the sandbox articles. I don't understand why you're so determined to violate policy on a small template that by definition can't even be considered usable until the game is actually released and all this back and forth is moot."

It's funny and Ironic given that when the two trailers (Orchestra, D23 2017) came out lst year, YOU continuously remain dismissive and and apprehensive that the game wasn't coming out and continously say that everythin in the trailers might be Removed content till the cows come home.

"For crap's sake, use the [[Gallery:]] page, or add description to the trailers on the main game article."

Why didn't you say anything about them in the first place, it would've saved so much time and effort regarding the characters that appeared in the trailer and bound to be in the game rather than continuously removing them claiming "they don't exist" "needs better source". Seriously if their names aren't referenced in interviews, articles, mentioning by Nomura and his team or on the Kingdom Hearts III website then we can simply take a snapshot of the scenes/characters that appeared in the trailer and add a caption to it, simple as that. Yes it's my fault I didn't know about this until you edited the template, but seriously though the game is coming out in January 2019 and frankly their is no reason to just remove the characters if they are obviously going to be in the game itself.--73.76.130.254 22:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

That's neither funny or ironic, because they're still trailers, and nothing I suggested you do equated to "keep inserting material into the navbox based on trailers". Instead, I suggested you work on the Draft pages. And we're still at the point in time where KH2 trailers were showing the Organization at the Great Crest, and KH1 trailers were showing Disney Castle as playable.

"That's neither funny or ironic, because they're still trailers, and nothing I suggested you do equated to "keep inserting material into the navbox based on trailers." - No offense, but it's the same argument the same "till the cows come home" on EVERY KH3 trailer in general. How are the recent trailers (Orchestra, D23 2017, D23 2018, the E3 2018) going by your arguments even comparable to the early KH2/KH1 trailers before the final games came out or especially the KH3 trailers we got in 2013 and 2015?

Just be excited the game is coming out in Jan. 2019, and we will soon be getting more trailers and more interviews regarding the game, but for the love of Pete stop being so pessimistic and ambivalent while removing information when users insert material (particularly characters that were seen from those trailers, regardless if they have not been addressed or mentioned in the magazine articles or through an image found within the KH3 Image gallery with a caption) based on the latest trailers, the latest articles. You can argue back at me and say I'm "rude" or "I'm violating the site policy" and continue reminding me about Removed content from trailers not final and "Don't add in info based on a trailer" I'm just being realistic. And yes you can continue "till the cows come home" and using examples of removed content from the early KH1/KH2 trailers. I just don't see the need to just wait for the game to come officially come out to add the info when you have the latest new trailers (e.g the E3 trailers) and interviews mentioning about what was shown and what to expect regarding the game.--73.76.130.254 04:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I assumed that if you were finding a minor navbox hidden at the bottom of the KH3 page, you could find the Gallery: page prominently displayed at the top. And we had already talked about just adding content to the sections talking about the trailers themselves. More to the point, I'm not your mother, and you and you alone are responsible for your own behavior. I'm not even an admin, it's not my job to try to placate you when you violate policy.

"I'm not your mother, and you and you alone are responsible for your own behavior. I'm not even an admin, it's not my job to try to placate you when you violate policy." - Okay, that last statement you made at me I disagree and just sounds way out of line at me.--73.76.130.254 04:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

"if they are obviously going to be in the game itself" -- if it was at all obvious, sure. We have ample precedent from past games that it is much less guaranteed than you think, and your continued denial of these amply-documented facts don't make them false."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

"if it was at all obvious, sure. We have ample precedent from past games that it is much less guaranteed than you think, and your continued denial of these amply-documented facts don't make them false." - Then why continuously removing them? You can continue making points "till the cows come home" but as a said, the latest trailers we got (Orchestra, D23 2017, D23 2018, the E3 2018) going by your arguments comparable to the early KH2/KH1 trailers before the final games came out or especially the early KH3 trailers we got in 2013 and 2015 show how much the game has evolved and what were going to be seeing in the game. Again, I just don't see the need on the removal of information, especially the game when it's half way there to completion and it's coming out in 6-7 months?--73.76.130.254 04:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you two please stop arguing about this? This is our current policy. If you have a problem with that, bring it up on a forum or something, instead of fighting over it with one other user. TheSilentHero 07:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that, it's just very frustrating just having myself and KrytenKoro arguing over a template, especially when Kryten keeps on arguing on justifying that "the latest trailers for KH3" aren't final. Even if I officially create a user account and bring this issue in the forums, I'm not going to make Amends with Kryten giving his history of constantly arguing about the " characters in the trailers not valid" till the cows come home, also I didn't bark back at him but was being realistic. But honestly the arguments have gone WAY to far.--172.58.100.241 12:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Aqua

You can't assume aqua is a seeker of darkness just because of what we saw. let's just leave the KH3 template as it is.

I didn't include Aqua into the Seeker of Darkness I was expanding info and in the event that my edit was not going to be accepted I had to copy it, but not knowing Aqua was in the seeker of darkness list. So no, I didn't put in Aqua with the other Seekers of Darkness.

--73.76.130.254 21:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I put it in, it was not the IP. Yell at me."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

She can still be saved, so that doesn't mean she has to be a seeker of darkness. Kingdom210 (talk) 12:20, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Wreck-it Ralph

I've been through those scans and I can't find anything but ラルフ. Are you actually reading the sourced material, or just treating the forum posts as accurate?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to just call him as just Ralph and ONLY Ralph even when the game officially comes out and cited from the KH3 Journal entries? I mean yeah they mention Ralph in the interviews but that's just his shortened name compared to his actual full name, Wreck-It Ralph. It's not any different when compared to CLU from Tron: Legacy who ONLY was referred to as just CLU in Dream Drop Distance and not CLU 2.0. What about James P. Sullivan, is the article going to have him under his full name or just "Sulley"?--73.76.130.254 04:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

We're using the full name if it is used in the game. So we have Fa Mulan, because she's called that in the game, but only Cloud, and not Cloud Strife, because he's never called that in the series. So until the game releases and we find out if they're calling him Ralph or Wreck-It Ralph, we're going with whatever the official sources use, which in this case is just Ralph. TheSilentHero 10:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

James P. "Sulley" Sullivan has been given in official KH3 promotional material, so it's acceptable for our purposes until the game is released, and we find out whether that (and Woody Pride, etc.) are being retained for the published material."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:21, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

KH2

Thank you for adding the Villains section to the KH2 navbox. Please feel free to add to the wiki article as much as you want."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:19, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't need your thank you going by your shrewd pessimistic attitude on the KH3 Template, and I did it because of making changes on the Templates, NOT because of taking your word.--73.76.130.254 14:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the Seekers of Darkness link

We prefer to use redirects, instead of piped links, so that if we decide to split Seekers of Darkness to its own page, we don't have to change all the links. TheSilentHero 16:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Frankly, it still doesn't make sense on a page to have a page, particularly Seekers of Darkness redirecting to the Real Organization XIII page it just feels off putting, secondly I doesn't make sense to just wait for the game to officially come out especially if its a month or 2-3 weeks before the official game's release to split the Seekers of Darkness to its own page.--73.76.130.254 19:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@TheSilentHero Secondly I don't like your "so-called policy" and locking the KH3 template and going in your own ways. You can say whatever you want at me and ignore my messages but from the way you guys run this site you care nothing about what you believe in and care ONLY but yourselves on what is allowed on the templates especially when a future Kingdom Hearts game is on the Horizon. So DEAL WITH IT!!--73.76.130.254 01:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, listen. I've had it with your attitude. First of all, I haven't ignored your messages. Secondly, I've told you twice already, that if you had a problem with this policy, you should make a forum about it, so the entire community can join the discussion. But apprently you don't really care about it or this wiki, because you haven't done that. In fact, you haven't even made an account yet. All you seem to care about, is edit warring and arguing to get what YOU want. So, to be honest, I don't really care anymore what some random IP thinks about me or our policies. So DEAL WITH THAT! TheSilentHero 09:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, FYI enough is enough of you acting hostile at me. Firstly, I would love to create an account and make a forum about this issue, however, even if I made this forum and explained the reasoning regarding the appearances of worlds, characters in a trailer from a game that has yet to come out and should be on a template, it's going to be just one answer: "No".

Now, I know I shouldn't get ahead of myself if I create my account and make the forum on this since the vast will say your own opinion otherwise, but even if I make this in the forums and how many of you are being divided and still continue to be ambivalent when it comes to trailers and dismissing them saying "not the final product, until release" regardless of the characters that are set to appear in the game and it's still going to continue for the next game and the next game in the franchise, I just don't know what to think of you and the community giving how you deal things here on this site.--73.76.130.254 04:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)