Talk:No Name

RedemptionUltima - What IS he!?! No one's EVER worn the darkness the way that he does! It's impossible! TALK - See my illusion! Should we think of names for it? And all the other not named Keyblades, like Terra's, Aqua's, and Ven's? Or should we leave as is?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? If there are no official names, there are no official names. No naming them on a whim.

Image

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Did you ever upload it? I want to see it.

Proof

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} here is the proof of vanitas creation: [1]

who?

who keeps on deleting the picture of xehanorts keyblade i put on there? there is nothing wrong with the picture!

A few important things:

1) It's me, and you'd know that if you read the page history.

2) You keep sticking that picture in the middle of a heading, which is downright stupid.

3) Your picture appears to be unofficial artwork, which has no place on the page.

4) Sign your posts with ~~~~

--Neumannz 04:36, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Riku's Second Keyblade

As we know Sora second keyblade is Ventus's keyblade so as riku have Xehanort's heart inside him i think that it's possible that Riku's second keyblade is MX changed into Destiny Place--Xabryn 01:09, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Game Rip?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? I've been wondering; is it possible for someone to rip the file for MX's Keyblade (And Vanitas's and Eraqus's, for that matter), just like someone did with the Awakening, and then screen-cap it?

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. So that's how it works. I never got how people did that. Kind of like with Terra's and Aqua's Keyblades from KHIIFM+. Interesting. I wish I could do that...

Page Title

Eternal Nothingness XIII - But why? Help me understand, Master Xehanort. What is it that I have failed to learn? TALK - What? How did I— What did I do? What did YOU do? — 19:45, April 28, 2010 (UTC) Should we not change this page's title, considering Xehanort (Terra-Xehanort, I suppose) wields it as well?

So name it "Xehanort's Keyblade", then? Like with Eraqus?Glorious CHAOS! 20:11, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how we should handle this... while that would be the most logical thing to do, we have to remember we're talking about two different characters owning the same thing. Would it kill Nomura to name this thing? - EternalNothingnessXIII 20:14, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Keys really get names unless they can be equipped. Until it can be (hint to any hackers), it's offical name is "Master Xehnaort's Keyblade." I'd assume that Nomura HAS a name for it, but it's a name for the staff to identify it by. I personally like the name of "Demon's Gaze" for it due to the eyes, and the fact that it is very demonic looking. But that's just My name for it. Hyperwre_2.0 20:33, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Unlocking and Locking Hearts

Do you think that we should shift the information that the keyblade can unlock and unlock hearts to the Keyblade page instead of only mentioning it on this page? After all, Xehanort Report IX seems to tell us that ALL keyblades have the heart unlocking ability, instead of only just Master Xehanort's Keyblade.Zaqaree 17:44, January 7, 2011 (UTC)Zaqaree

...Where does it say his Keyblade is the only one that can unlock Hearts? The17Master 18:08, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Master did it?

Seriously, I asked for the actual quotes you believe say this before. If you're right, that's great, but people have been arguing back and forth over this across the wiki, and there needs to be a damn citation before this continues any further."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:57, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Here's what the game shows:

<><><> The Heart That Fought Back <><><>

(Aqua weakens Xehanort. An aura of light surrounds Xehanort.)

Xehanort: Stop fighting back!

(Xehanort becomes unable to move.)

Aqua: Terra, I know you're in there!

(Xehanort becomes able to move a little.)

Xehanort: This'll teach you. Get out of my heart!

(Xehanort turns his Keyblade on himself.)

Aqua: Terra!

(Xehanort's Keyblade falls to the ground and vanishes. His shadowy other
appears and vanishes as well, only it creates a dark portal beneath him.
Xehanort falls into the portal as Aqua rushes to reach him. Unable to get there
in time, she dives into the portal which then has a light shine from it.)

So, yeah, the name of the scene, all narrative convention ever, and the fact that turning the Keyblade on the heart caused Master Xehanort's Keyblade to disappear and his memories to be erased (something that Terra gloats about later) strongly, almost painfully suggest that Terra was responsible. If it is Xehanort, then he's an imbecile, because he sacrificed his Keyblade, his Guardian, and nearly his existence just because Terra was making him fight at only 90% efficiency."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:59, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Can you also provide the Trinity Archives version of what happened in this scene? Chitalian8 00:14, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I was wrong, and Xehanort is an imbecile:

In a desparate move to rid himself of Terra once and for all, Xehanort turned his own Keyblade on himself, and began to sink into the pool of darkness that spilled forth.

My apologies, English."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:03, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

It is rather pathetically stupid, but it does fit in with the scene. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 01:06, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

But Terra regaining control of his body and stabbing himself to seal away their memories was definitely the better scenario, I think. It would have made more sense. But then again, Master Xehanort did say that possessing Terra was just one of many roads he chose to take, so maybe he knew that somehow, he would get his memories back (I think Xehanort has returned with his memories). EnglishJoker 20:32, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oblivion

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ok, this has been peeving me for a while now, in the appearance section it states that it resembles Oblivion. Can someon please explain to me how in hell it looks anything like oblivion cuz i don't see it at all

Suite

Why is this linked to Game:No Heart? TheFifteenthMember 16:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Because the Keyblade needs to be attacked in the battle with No Heart to disable a barrier. TheSilentHero 17:04, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I think that's too fine a point to merit it being attached to No Heart's suite. A mention in the article seems apt to me. TheFifteenthMember 17:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, the Frozen Pride and Book of Retribution are part of Vexen and Zexion's battles in KH2FM and they don't have a suite either, so I say go ahead. TheSilentHero 17:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Master of Masters

Without actually performing this yet, since details are still unclear -- assuming that the scene is what it appears to be, and that the Keyblade is being wielded by the MoM, do we rename this page to "Master of Masters' Keyblade", or do we follow the precedent set with "Terra's Mark", where we use the name from the Ultimania even if it is chronologically misleading?

Also, we will need to rewrite the lead to clarify the chronological order -- as of this scene (at least as it appears), this is MoM's Keyblade first and foremost, and it was definitively passed down to Xehanort."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, it's apparently be more like "Luxu's Keyblade" now. And I don't know about the admins. but personally think it's unwise to use names that are misleading in any way, even if it did come from Ultimania. I don't think their information is 100% accurate. It's just like how I feel about the fact that this site dubs this animal as a horned lion just because Ultimania says it, when upon closer inspection it's obviously a goat or ram. Why use information that is clearly misleading? So yes, I personally think this page should be renamed. Blackchaos27 (talk) 05:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

The information isn't misleading though, it is still Master Xehanort's Keyblade and we don't even know if it's really Luxu's Keyblade or if it really belongs to the MoM, because it's seen for like one second and not acknowledged at all. Changing the name now could lead to misinformation and we all know hard hard it is to purge afterwards.

As for the Ultimania: Nobody said that everything is 100% accurate in there, because it clearly isn't. It's still the only secondary canon source we have before we hit fan speculation territory, so using terms coined by it is a save bet. The artwork of Young Xehanort's Keyblade is directly taken from Square Enix, the Ultimania team didn't change the design notes on it, everything else is up for interpretation. --ShardofTruth 07:55, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

It's called a horned lion in the designer's design notes for the Keyblade. Meaning that is literally 100% what they intend for it to be. And if you look at the image of how it animates, it clearly has a leonid, if gaunt, face -- goats are different looking."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I think there's not enough information to say it's the default form of Luxu's Keyblade. I feel we should change the lead back to default form of Xehanort's Keyblade, or just say "a Keyblade" or something. TheSilentHero 17:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

It's the same language we're using for the other Foreteller Keyblades. Are you proposing we change it for all of them?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

No, just this one. It's like Shard said, we don't even know if it's really Luxu's Keyblade. TheSilentHero 21:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Ram, not Lion

The Keyblade is the Keyblade of Lust. Each Sin has more than one animal, Lust has two specifically. One is indeed, the Scorpion. The other however, is the Goat. The Keyblade animal is a Ram, which is a form of Goat. Hence it is aligned with Luxu and therefore, not the MoM's Keyblade - Blaid

These are not ram horns though, these are much closer but still, please google it yourself. Why does nobody believe the official design notes of Square Enix on this matter? --ShardofTruth 22:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Look buddy, in this picture here, it clearly has fangs. Goats do NOT have fangs. And here, it's clearly the same visage as in the previous image. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 22:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

In the former, it is a different Keychain, therefore its shape has changed and does not apply otherwise every Keychain of the Kingdom Key would have similar traits as well. In the latter, there are no fangs on there. And for the record, Nomura and Square have lied on facts before. - Blaid

The animals of Lust is either a Scorpion or a Goat, here... Goat Horns. Rams are Male, but Lust is said to be the only "female" Sin! - here - Blaid

There is also something in Demonology of a Demon Goat-Lion, Asmodeus, the Demon of Lust. - here- Blaid

Just put a bracket on either side of the image you want to link to like I did. Young Xehanort's Keyblade is a fusion of the No Name and Master Xehanort's Keyblade. Yes, it only has fangs in this version, but the point is that the head was adapted from MX's Keyblade, therefore through logic and reason, it can be dudeced that the two, while different, are indeed the same. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. They are the same Keyblade, but they fundamentally change with the Keychain. Even Nomura said that the Keyblade Young Xehanort wielded was a different Keychain to the same Keyblade. Keychains are, fundamentally, are just the Keyblade given a different appearance. I.e. - this compared to this. Finally, in context to the Rams Horns thing, where you compared End of Pain's blades to being like Ram Horns. Well... MX's Keyblade has similar blade features. - Blaid

I'm well aware of the prospect of Keychains, make no mistake. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

What I mean, in prospect is that it is a Goat. It is not a Lion, it could never be a lion, a Goat has teeth while not fangs while a Lion has never and will never have Horns. All the Foretellers Keyblades are based off real or mythical creatures, a unicorn yes, a horned lion... no. The Keyblade and its Keychains all have a Demonic goat appearance, this is because Nomura went further into Demonology for this Keyblade as The Prince of Hell and Fallen Angel that governs the Sin of Lust is Asmodeus, who has the face of a Goat, see the similarities from one version of him here? Additionally, in most the interview I had heard of and the theory videos I have watched, MX's Keyblade has been often called the "Old Goat Keyblade". An here is a bit of irony, the only hair on Master Xehanort's face is a "billy goat beard", is that a coincidence? I leave it for you to decide. - Blaid

It's a lion because the 3D Ultimania says so. Also, this is a fantasy universe, animals can have whatever features they want regardless of fidelity to reality. Ultima Spark (talk) 20:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

3D Ultimania is suddenly the source of all canon Kingdom Hearts knowledge now? You show me an image from a fan site, and expect me to believe a fan did not falsify or mess up the translation? In default it does not look like a lion, only when used in context of YX's Keyblade does it act in the form of a lion. I suppose the entire conversation could be debatable. Perhaps the MoM and Luxu identities have fused together, so their Keyblade traits have combined? Maybe the cameo appearance of "End of Pain", is Luxu's true Keyblade? We will find out the truth soon enough. - Blaid

Now you're getting absurd Blaid. All artworks in every Ultimania are not commented on by Studio BentStuff. Either they are presented without comments or Nomura has a sentence or two to say about them. In this case these are the original design notes by Square Enix on the document. Here is the original, you can translate the text yourself if you don't trust the one linked above. How can it get any more canon than this when both the animal on Master Xehanort's and Young's Xehanort's Keyblade is described by a Square Enix artist? I think there are at least three theories why the design of this Keyblade doesn't necessarily has to follow those of the other Foreteller Keyblades, there is really no reason we have to make it fit by any means necessary. --ShardofTruth 00:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

That's a ram. Though to be fair, it takes a few liberties - Biblical liberties more like, since rams are representative of the devil. The snout and the ears, though a little elongated, are definitely a ram's. The horns though are a little bit funny though - rams follow the pythagorean spiral pattern, also known as a fibonacci number. Rams with straight horns are a rarity and genetic defect, but they DO happen. As for the fangs, they are MUCH too short to be large feline canines. They're more proportionate to like....a house cat, or maybe a vampire bat (not the front ones!). Sooo....to put this discussion to rest, yes, it's a ram. If you want to be accurate, it's a ram. If you want to be inaccurate and stand by canon sources....which retcon themselves regularly! - go with lion.....even though "luxuria" is actually evocative of scorpions! Personally though, I'd go with the demon. Specifically, the Jersey Devil! 1-....It actually looks like the damn thing. 2-It stands to to toe with some of the mythological animals represented by the Foretellers, like the Unicorn. --Ignis (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

If we're going mythological there are so many things a "horned lion" can be apart from a demon like a chimera, a manticore or even a behemoth, a poster child of the Final Fantasy series. --ShardofTruth 00:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

You know, that's actually a good point. That said, the fangs and snout are both not quite long enough. It still fits the bill more so of a goat or demon. --Ignis (talk) 01:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I shall be clear. There are multiple animals per Sin, three for Pride and two for the other six. Pretty much, this video will sum them up rather well. But simply put, Pride will most likely be a Gryphon or Peacock, but I am not ruling out a Lion. Out of the Six apprentice Keyblades, only Gula's Keyblade that does not align with his specific Sin animals. Lust has two, the goat being primary, the scorpion secondary. Given the fact they have already dun-Fooked-up with Gula's, unless Gula has some kind of twin out there named comparable to Gluttony or is actually a false stand in for the "real" Gula then I imagine there is some looseness with some Keyblades. So it is entirely possible, that Luxu's Keyblade does not have to be 100% a goat, but it IS a goat. And in regards to what you said about the Devil, Ignis, the Devil of Lust is Asmodeus and one interpretation of him is this here. A friend of mine claimed once that Nomura has even coined the term "Goat" in an interview, but he neglected to give me a link, so... second hand source I am afraid. Sorry. --Blaid (talk) 02:20, 31 July 2016 (UTC)