Forum:Discussing the policy.

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Okay, I'm creating it, the place where we discuss the new Policy. — RikutheBloody 19:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC) RikutheBloody

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 19:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC) Essentially, we are looking at this point of the staff policy: The staff member's rights are removed after six months of inactivity, but only after they are warned about the situation. If they return and want their rights back, they must undergo a two month probation period, where the user must show that they are active enough to hold their powers again. I suggest it be reworded to say "where the user must show that they are worthy of holding their powers again", which should solve most ambiguity. Thoughts?

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 12:44 PM Wed, February 11, 2015 MST I suggest we consider rewriting the whole thing. It largely focuses only on cases of inactivity, and a policy titled "Staff Policy" should probably focus on more than just that. I'm working on a rewrite myself right now (using a format that Chain developed in December for Operation: Keychain) that I'll present when it's finished for your input. As to the current issue (the specific line FM pointed out), I suggest we append it with "upon approval from the wiki's community" to all cases. The reality is that all staff elections have been done upon approval from the wiki's community. All cases of re-promotion should carry that same clause. But, that's my idea.

TheFifteenthMember I hope it's slow and painful; the elation I get from such kills is unmatched by anything, yeeeess... Just thinking about it makes me... oohhh... — TheFifteenthMember 19:50, 11 February 2015 (UTC) Good points! Practically agreed with everything you've said. Going beyond inactivity, we should include points on poor conduct or irresponsibility. Good luck on the rewrite!

Eternal Nothingness XIII Does that mean...it's time for me to go back to where I belong? — 19:51, 11 February 2015 (UTC) EDIT CONFLICT (thanks, KSM and FM :P)! Is it possible we could refrain from using words such as "powers" and "worthy" in our new policy? Such words suggest that becoming a staff member places someone amongst an "elite" group of users, and it contradicts everything the staff stresses about its members being no better or different than regulars. Such words can make those who are not staff (having lived through this myself) seem like they are not good enough, especially when, even though it is for identification purposes, such things as the staff template are placed on a staff member's user page like a trophy to be earned. People should not edit the Wiki solely to become part of this "elite group", just to possess "powers" or "greater say in things" when all they really get is extra tools to help maintain the Wiki. Not only does our message/staff attitude at the present time contradict the democratic style of the Wiki we seem to be striving for these days, but it also creates the illusion of a Wiki-dictatorship.

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 01:11 PM Wed, February 11, 2015 MST I think we still can use "powers" because that's basically what makes an admin different from any other user, which is the additional powers/rights (the technical/official term is rights, as in Special:ListGroupRights). The term "worthy" can still be used, in my opinion, only if we define what "worthy" means. Otherwise, the term becomes arbitrary and creates the illusion ENX mentioned of elitism. If we use "worthy", we need to define what makes a worthy staff member, or it becomes subjective to each person's own ideas.

Eternal Nothingness XIII Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. — 20:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC) Right, it's the elitism illusion that needs to be crushed here. And well, in terms of saying "powers," there are alternative, less "elitist" words we can use, such as the term "tools" that Kryten mentioned in the other forum. "Administrators are given special tools to help maintain the Wiki, such as the ability to delete redundant images..." sounds a lot better to me than "Administrators are given the power to <insert thing here>."

How about "worthy" => "responsible"? And yes on "tools". --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 04:55 PM Wed, February 11, 2015 MST Okay, here it is. It's rather long, because I incorporated much the current staff policy. Tell me what you guys think.

Neumannz's suggestion sounds fine to me on the naming/words to use. As for KSM's rough draft: In general, what you have written looks great to me. As for your question on elections... There was no real/formal election season. In the past, generally an election would happen for one or two reasons- keep in mind that our community was much larger back then, too. The first was that the Wiki needed help on things available only to the staff- deletions, moving articles, rollback, etc. The second was for additional/more community like things, such as banning (we used to have a ton of vandals) or the majority of staff members being inactive. These reasons are also generally why we would bump an existing staff member up as well. I don't think we should necessarily set or force a time elections are held. Perhaps a rephrase of "Elections, as well as promotions for existing staff members, are held <insert reasons here*>." * = reasons I listed earlier. Maybe I overlooked it, but did FM's/the other forum's idea of "If an inactive staff member wants their position back they must undergo a two month probation period in which the user must show that they are both active and responsible of holding their powers again." ever make it on the draft? Also, have you checked this out? I'm seeing some similarities between the two. Either way, perhaps this could be thrown in somewhere? One final thing, just to clear the air right from the start. Is there anything we need to specifically outline/describe/explain in detail under the "expectations" section? Naturally, we're all going to have some minor differences here and there, but, in general, our views should already line up pretty closely. Xion4ever Who am I? — 00:22, 12 February 2015 (UTC)