Forum:Birth by Sleep English Voice Cast

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To divert the criticism not relating to the article from the BBS talk page, I've created the forum you all knew was coming. Time to complain about the English VAs! As far as I'm concerned, MX and ME both sound fine, though Nimoy's throat sounds way too scratchy in the trailer. Terra and Vanitas... meh, they're alright, and it could be worse. But Aqua, good greif Aqua's VA is horrible! She's not even acting, it's like she's just reading the script on her lap! I baffles me as to why they cast her, and I hope to God the snippet in the trailer doesn't speak for the rest of her performance. LapisScarab Good tidings, friends. Today is a momentous day. I am pleased to announce that a new comrade has been chosen to wear the coat. — 00:10, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - I honestly don't understand what they've done with the VA's for this series and the other voice-acted series. KH had wonderful voice acting, but every time they replace someone, honestly, it's never for the better. Nimoy is a good actor. He doesn't fit Master Xehanort at all. He can sound grumpy, sure, but that's as much menace as I've ever heard him put in his voice. Plus, he barely emotes in these. Cristopher Lee is the correct kind of voice, if he hadn't already been doing Ansem. You know the guy that did Rasputin for Hellboy? That is basically Master Xehanort - same personality and everything. He would have worked. EDIT: If Xehanort had been much older looking (and not "male model old"), Nimoy could have worked well. His voice could fit the unassuming but evil ancient (not old, ancient) guy. EDIT: My god, I just watched the trailer. Why they thought an OC character could emote is beyond me. There are literally leagues of better, cheaper, female actresses. That one from the WoW web-series, for example. Winry's VA from FMA. SO MANY BETTER CHOICES. Seriously, every scene with Aqua in it makes me cringe. She sucks at this. Eraqus's VA is good. Definitely Mark Hamill, yep. Terra sounds okay, though his scenes didn't require him to emote, so I can't tell if he sucks here or not. I do have to say that I've never been super-impressed by Christian Bale, though. EDIT EDIT:Based on this trailer, I am seriously wondering whether they let the VA's see what they were providing the voices for. All of the scenes which just make it BLAZINGLY OBVIOUS what tone you should be using, even to the worst actors, are lacking the proper emotion. For example, when Nimoy says "It can only be channeled", he clenches his fist, which would fit with increased emphasis on "channeled", and possibly a pause beforehand ("It can only be...channeled.") Nimoy's reading lacks that completely, reading at the same speed and tone as the rest of the line. It may just be that SE of A did a half-assed job not in picking the actors (which may have done well in the tryout process), but in helping them do well and, basically, doing the basic job of a director. Honestly, whoever was in charge of directing the actors should be sacked. He did not do his job at all, as far as I can tell. Only the Disney actors, who are intimately familiar with their characters and now how they would say a line, did well, and even then with some trouble. I honestly think a fan-dub may have better quality VA-ing than this.

I saw the trailer, HOWEVER, people harpin' on Terra's and Aqua's English voices might wanna look at the other new gameplay vids featured on the website, which sound much better

As for Vanitas, I was hooked. Aqua was fine and I really like Terra's and Erauqs' voices. And remember two things: There's still time fore rehearsing and you're going to grow into them eventually, so it doesn't really matter whining at this point. And yes, I am one of the people who accept MX's voice. The man's head is completely bald with visible veins and a bad hunch. I still wonder how Nimoy's voice doesn't work here, but that's because maybe unlike most people, I don't pretend to be some voice acting expert/critic. Kaihedgie 00:54, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Drake Clawfang - Anger and hate are supreme....power and control are pretty nice too. TALK - 00:56, June 16, 2010 (UTC) SE had subpar voice acting for a lot of characters in Dissidia Final Fantasy. One of the VAs, JD Cullen, said he wasn't sure how to voice his character because he wasn't given much to work on - he was told to try and sound like the Japanese voice actor and to be "breathy and feminine". The character itself, Kuja, they told him very little about and he thus didn't know what was expected for his voice. Sounds like SE is flubbing BBS in the same way. I agree with the sentiment about letting them watch the footage, too. I thought watching Aqua's VA sound so lifeless and flat while Aqua was smiling and being cheerful in the footage, like "This is not right! The tone should match the expression!"

Fair enough, but I'd just like to briefly point out that in a story-based game, it doesn't matter at all if the battle grunts sound fine. The actor should be able to, you know, act and carry the cutscene. Aqua's VA is the only one I have an actual problem with, and it's a big one. She's atrocious. I hope you're right and she grows into the role or something, because right now she's unbearable.LapisLazuliScarab00:59, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 01:10, June 16, 2010 (UTC)   After I watched it a couple times in high quality, I decided that the only really bad moments were Aqua's speech at the beginning, about the lucky charms; Terra's talk with Cinderella; and possibly Terra talking to Master Xehanort. The rest seemed to be within a pretty good range of quality. Big fan of Vani's VA and Mark Hamill as Eraqus. I think we're gonna be satisfied with Leonard Nimoy when we see more of him, as I'm pretty sure M. Xehanort Japanese voice matches up with his English voice, tonewise.

So now pretty much watching the trailer multiple times allows people to grow into the voices.

Still, those complaining about Aqua: thumb|300px|right

Drake Clawfang - Anger and hate are supreme....power and control are pretty nice too. TALK - 01:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC) MUCH better! That is a great improvement. Okay, I guess the opening speech was a fluke bad take then, phew.

Like I said, in a game with storyline cutscenes, being able to make good battle quotes doesn't count for crap. I actually like Aqua's voice when I first heard her voice in that demo, but her voice in the trailer is horrible. You know how when some people are reading books out loud and they just half try to make the voice sound right? This VA doesn't even sound like she's doing that. Maybe it's because they didn't show them the scenes or something, but whatever the reason, it's just not tolerable. By the way Drake, this is the demo from before the trailer. It's better, but not by much. She still sounds like she's barely trying.LapisLazuliScarab01:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Drake Clawfang - Anger and hate are supreme....power and control are pretty nice too. TALK - 01:43, June 16, 2010 (UTC) Aqua is my fav character in BBS, I either grasp at straws or admit I'm gonna have to listen to that dead voice the entire game. I choose straws. ;p

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - I watched the video. She's still terrible. When you're trying to help people, you don't command them to "leave it to you". The voice Aqua uses is, honestly, one that you use when you're pissed at the person for screwing up; it's an "If you want it done right..." tone. You'd think an OC character would be overly chirpy and emotional. Willa Holland lacks all emotion in this game, and based on what Drake said about JD Cullen, I think the VA director at SE is responsible for this unmitigated crap. Probably, like Nomura, they're not "allowed" to reveal the information, even to the English VA's, because they're worried they might spoil the game. Because, you know, revealing already guessed, barely creative plot info in an already plot-hole-ridden series is much more of a problem than having terrible game quality.

Not to be offensive or anything but: do you have to be such a killjoy? x: Kaihedgie 03:56, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. For the amount of money I've put into this franchise, as well as FF, I expect them to hire directors who are at least as dedicated as those for a cheap anime. This is honestly pathetic voice acting, and should not be occurring in one of a multi-million dollar, international game franchise's flagship series.Glorious CHAOS! 04:20, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's only three less than four months till the game's release. Please lighten up. They can still rehearse the lines and you'll still get used to the eventually. Sheesh. There is no need to be so steely and serious business. :P 'Blargh it's not fitting my expectations cause I played the Japanese version too much'. Don't like what you hear? Do something about it or leave it be. Kaihedgie 06:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I have not played the Japanese game at all. In fact, the only Japanese game I've ever played was KH2FM, and it was off of a save file that was at the end of the game. I have no bias whatsoever towards the Japanese VA's - I'm saying, quite simply, that this is crappy acting. Not "It's bad because it's not Japanese". Nope, just crappy.

Time to release: Pretty irrelevant, actually. They've gotten the recording pretty much done by now (Jesse first mentioned his going in several months back), and if this is what they're putting in the trailers? Then it's the best they have. It costs money to have celebrities voice act, and they're unlikely to redo all of it at this point. The last months are pretty much their "produce all the discs needed to have on release day" time.Glorious CHAOS! 07:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

As disappointed as I am in Aqua's voice actor (she would have been the best character in the series if wouldn't be for the VA...), I'm hoping the other VA's combined with the improved graphics and gameplay will make up for it. You know, Hope Springs Eternal... I doubt it... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Master Xehanort, Master Eraqus, espically Vanitas, Ventus, and Terra's VAs fit nicely in the English version of BBS. Now, let's look at Aqua's VA. Ooooh... Couldn't they pick a better VA for Aqua?--Keyblade0 17:12, June 21, 2010 (UTC)Keyblade0

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...20:32, June 21, 2010 (UTC) I'm really hoping that's just a scratch track for Aqua in the trailer. Really hoping. I'm getting shades of Mena Suvari's version of Aerith, and that's not a good thing. When will VA directors understand that a stoic character does not equal no voice inflection?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Having just seen the newest trailer, I have this to say: Master Xehanort and Terra = alright, kind of hit and miss. Terra's voice seems like it should be deeper to me. Master Eraqus = great. Ven = great. Aqua = Fro this trailer alone, I don't have much to go on. She only really had one scene in it, and it was... passable.

The only time I haven't liked Aqua's voice, was her opening speech, which grated on my hearing. I don't like Terra's voice, which I don't really care about. I'll just play through his story without sound(I never really cared for Terra, obviously). And I don't have any issues with anyone else. --WheelyRampage 07:11, July 20, 2010 (UTC)