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You've been blocked two weeks for provoking Ignis when warned not to. Honestly, being around corrupted wikias like the Narutopedia, the One Piece Wiki, and not to mention all the stories I've heard on the DBZ Wiki, Bleach Wiki, and just wikias I visit, I've always hated when users engage if arguments when it comes to deciding whether something is a provocation or not, because on those wikias, discussions like that tend to get very heated and very messy quickly. I have always assumed good faith with you and Ignis, especially Ignis, despite his previous warnings by both KrytenKoro and Neumannz, as you can see on his talk page.. You yourself have received unofficial warnings from users in the past about your conduct, but most were done in 2014, and it felt wrong to judge you for it since we're now in 2017 and you have shown to improved your behavior since then and have been friendly with other users since then - until Ignis appeared and the two of you started butting heads, that is. Even so, you were pretty reasonable, apologizing for your behavior after the first warning to both me and Ultima Spark, and Ignis made it very clear that he was trying to get you banned from this wiki permanently, even though other users voiced that doing was too extreme, because you didn't do anything wrong or, at least, didn't mean to do so at first. I know I've said this before, but you never really approached users with the intent of malicious or rude, and only becoming aggressive when someone doesn't agree with you. Things between you and Ignis have only really escalated when you started talking to me on my talk page, and Ignis came in and the situation worsened from there. I know you said you didn't mean to provoke Ignis, but you really should have just avoided him. Therefore, the block. It's your first block, so two weeks seems appropriate. It's your decision on whether or not to return once it's over. And keep in mind about what I said before about being more mindful on your behavior in the future. In some ways, this wiki is corrupted, too, and I do not wish to be seen like certain admins on other wikias (as you edit on the Narutopedia like I did, you know what type of users I am referring to). Please understand.--NinjaSheik 20:05, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I will be on Discord if you want to talk to me. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this well. I do not like blocking/banning people, as I said numerous times before. I don't feel good about it, believe me. You have taken the full brunt of Ignis's discontent, and many of the reasons why he verbally abused was most certainly unwarranted and very ridiculous. I do not wish to be seen like an unreasonable tyrant like the type of users we are very familiar with across multiple wikias, and I do hope you do not view me as such. If you want talk to me, we can meet on the IRC. The block is just for a short time, and I think it may be good for you to take some time off from it after all of the drama has passed. Again, thank you for being understanding about this thing and very reasonable.--NinjaSheik 20:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Your welcome. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Re: Question

I feel awful that you could even suggest such a thing i have experienced that horrible and cruel action too many times. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

That's your decision to feel that way. You fully deserved the block, and I hope you learn from it. This attempt at emotional manipulation instead of showing any kind of understanding and remorse for why you were blocked is supremely unimpressive, and I would personally prefer that you do not return until you actually understand why you were blocked and make a commitment not to violate the rules again."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't tell me what i deserve from my point of view your just as libel yourself. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay, in light of the veiled threats and your complete and utter lack of remorse or understanding of how, exactly, you crossed the line, you've been indefinitely blocked until you demonstrate that your behavior will actually be corrected if you return. If you'd like to participate in the Heartless Manufactory, that would work, or you could simply make it clear on this talk page that you understand which rules you broke and commit to not breaking them again. Once you can do that, I can support removing the block. Have a good day, I hope you're able to find a project that doesn't stress you out this much."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Well i can try to improve at least. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Look i know what i did was incriminating but i still find difficulty to accept responsibility for my own actions its really hard to keep my own head down when i feel baited i have a persecution complex i think i'm not really sure how to change so i can avoid being in situations like this or the words that come with it for that matter. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

When I blocked you and you didn't say a word against it, I took it as a sign you understood why you're being blocked and tried to better yourself in the future. Your behavior towards Kryten is unacceptable, but you do acknowledged that what you said to was wrong and are trying to improve. If you're willingly to accept responsibility, please prove it by continuing to show a willingness improve and move past all of this, okay?--NinjaSheik 19:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I will try to avoid any unnecessary and uncomfortable entanglements. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 19:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

https://discord.gg/sBGeUGt Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I will be on here if anyone wishes to discuss things with me. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I have not seen any new development in regards to my current situation. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 18:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

NinjaShiek

Can we talk someplace? Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk)

Do not hide your messages since it count as evidence. I have changed your block back to two weeks. I'm editing on my phone right now, so let me be frank: If you truly wish to make amends, carry out the rest of your punishment quietly, and once it is over, you can come back. Show that you capable of keeping your word by showing that you are making a genuine effort to work on your behavior and improve yourself. Acknowledging your own misbehavior and promising to improve yourself is a good first step, so prove it when your block is over.--NinjaSheik 04:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Well i had to get you and Kyro attention somehow and if its not too much to ask can you please change it to a week since the block started a week ago and i don't want to miss my chance to upload images from E3. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

The point of the block is not to be convenient to you, Byz."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

It isn't but it already has been a week. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Kyro just to be clear i do understand my part in all this i was the catalyst i do understand my role in the situation i inadvertently caused i should have just spoken to an Admin about a language rule instead of just putting myself in the conversation where the profanity took place also Ninja i only did that remove the message from the wall thing to get your attention you were not really responding so i had to do something drastic besides i originally just wanted to cross out what was said to better deal with this whole situation. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't make an excuse for what you did. Everyone knows, across all wikias, that removing messages from your talk page is against the rules. Moreover, you put "baited" in the Summary box for doing so, which makes me less inclined to believe you. Read this. As Kryten, the point of the block is not be convenient to you. The length of the ban is a reflection of your own actions, and the reasonable time it will take you to think about on your behavior and understand what you did wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.--NinjaSheik 21:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

TheSilentHero Thought what i wrote was alright he gave me advice on what i could write and he also says that Kyro isn't asking for an apology but that i understood the gravity of the circumstances i'm in he was also on the Discord channel and communication would go alot easier if we all just talked there.. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 21:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

"i do understand my role in the situation i inadvertently caused i should have just spoken to an Admin about a language rule instead of just putting myself in the conversation where the profanity took place"

No. You shouldn't have talked to an admin about policing a discussion Ignis was having with admins, much less inserted yourself into said discussion to criticize Ignis. Ninja had previously told you to just not engage with Ignis. You should have been avoiding Ignis -- instead, you ignored her and were clearly following Ignis around.

At one part in all this, you also chose to post threats on my wall in response to me supporting sanctions on your behavior. They were mild threats, and you removed some of them, but you still did them in the first place.

"also Ninja i only did that remove the message from the wall thing to get your attention you were not really responding so i had to do something drastic"

No you didn't. You didn't "have to do" anything. You need to stop looking at this as everyone else just "forcing" you to do things, and take responsibility for your choices. You chose to break the rule about removing the messages on your talk page. You did that willingly, and you were not forced to do it. One of the problems here is that you act as if you think it's okay to disrupt the wiki because you feel you want attention, and that's not okay. If you want attention, get it elsewhere, but you do not disrupt the wiki for any reason.

"besides i originally just wanted to cross out what was said to better deal with this whole situation"

Learn how to just look away, or to accept the criticism. The issue with Ignis started because neither you nor Ignis were willing to accept criticism but were both happy to dish it out (ridiculously so in Ignis's case, it must be admitted), and you each have compounded on it in your own way by lashing out in response to the staff quite matter-of-factly pointing out how you two broke the rules. Its not about whether you like what the staff have said -- it's about whether what the staff have said is true or not.

Did someone point out a flaw that is fake? Then ignore them. If they're disrupting the wiki, tell a staff member.

Did someone point out a flaw that is true? Then fix that flaw.

I don't want you to apologize for any of this. I don't want you in time-out for any of this. I want you to reorganize your priorities so that you won't claim again that you "had to do" something to get attention, so that you won't try to justify disrupting the wiki in order to get your way or make a point. If the wiki isn't making you happy or satisfied? Play HALO, or Overwatch, or some other team game. Get your camaraderie there. If you are going to continue as part of this project, it's gotta be because you actually want the project to succeed, not because you think we're a good source for getting yourself attention. You've gotta basically remove your sense of self in relation to this project."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not missing my chance to upload Kingdom Hearts III images from this years E3. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 23:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

It might be easier to have this discussion on the Discord channel instead of my wall. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 23:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Someone else will be able to upload the KH3 images from E3. The wiki will be fine."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

But i want to be the one to upload it not someone else. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 01:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Enough. You are clearly missing the point here. The staff isn't here to cater to your whims. Your block will remain as it is.--NinjaSheik 03:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I have already served 2 weeks i want those images i have a monopoly to maintain. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 04:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Trailer Images

Hey, I know it's exciting and all, but remember that wiki policy doesn't allow images with trademarks on the image from the games. We limit game cutscenes to coming straight from the games, the only exception being screenshots from YouTube videos, but even then, they should have no watermarks or trademarks, okay? KeybladeSpyMaster 23:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

These are official screenshots they are supposed to be watermarked its how they are presented its Disney and Square Enix's choice also the ripped trailer screenshots are of blatantly poor quality i think it would be wise just to use the ones the company distributes even if they are watermarked besides its bare noticable. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 23:59, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The current wiki policy is to use only screenshots without the trademarks. That's the way it is. It may be Disney and Square Enix's decision to place the trademarks. It's also our decision to prohibit them. KeybladeSpyMaster 00:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes but its an old policy that is easily susceptible to change. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

The current wiki policy is to use only screenshots without the trademarks. That's the way it is. You're free to open a discussion on it, but the age of the policy doesn't matter. Until there's a change, that's the way it is. KeybladeSpyMaster 00:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Very well. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Warning

I'm not laughing!
	This is a warning for disruption on and off the wiki: failure to behave civilized, clear intent to break rules. Your edits have been reverted; please do not attempt to repeat them. If you wish to do test edits, you are welcome to do so here. — KeybladeSpyMaster 18:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - You're actions are totally illogical. TALK - - You've done enough! - 11:37 AM Sun, July 16, 2017 MST CODE 0x1SF1XKSMDRK: EMERGENCY Fine, my move. This is your first official warning, user. You've been afforded many warnings before, and you still don't listen. You need to calm down. Your persistent failure to behave civilly on this wiki and your clear intent not to adhere to the present wiki policies constitute disruption on this wiki. If you continue down this course, you will be blocked. END OF LINE

I don't even care anymore. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

You Don't Know When to Quit

KeybladeSpyMaster - You still don't get it, do you? TALK - - I'm also better than you! - 09:45 PM Thu, July 20, 2017 MST CODE 0xKH13X: SHUT DOWN That is IT. You are FINISHED, user. You just don't seem to know when to quit. We've been plenty patient with you over the last nearly five years and have given you plenty of chances, but you don't seem to change or show any effort or desire to do so. You have been overall very uncivil and disruptive on this wiki, and have managed to tick everyone off. And I personally don't get mad very easily, but I'm at the end of my rope, and I'm sure everyone else on site is as well. I'm requesting that this user be blocked or banned immediately for consistent and recurring disruptive, disrespectful, and uncooperative behavior, all of which are the exact opposite of that which is critical to be a part of this Wiki. We've tried everything we could to help this user stay, but this is enough. END OF LINE

Seconded. I've been observing Byz's behaviour for some time and I am also convinced that he does not have the capacity for self-improvement or reformation. He was temporarily banned recently, yet he insists on maintaining a toxic presence here, proving he hasn't learnt from his mistakes. The message above "I don't even care anymore" is further evidence that he is not willing to make amends for his actions. As such, I break my silence on this matter and support the idea of a ban. TheFifteenthMember 14:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

You both are hypocrites if i deserve to be banned so do you for acting like administrators when many of you have no right or place to. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

If your going to ban me just do it already neither one of us can truly change and you blatantly destroyed my KHIII uploads and left the Disney Wiki unsatisfied. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:45, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - You still don't get it, do you? TALK - - I'm also better than you! - 07:59 AM Fri, July 21, 2017 MST CODE 0xKH13X: SHUT DOWN You STILL don't get it, do you? You still want to try and make this about what everyone ELSE did to you. That's just showing how immature and uncooperative you have been. We already explained to you the issue with your KHIII pictures, and you didn't want to accept it or provide a better reason why we should keep them with the watermarks. And you yourself re-uploaded one by following the wiki rules a little later. And for the Disney Wiki, I know I was personally involved for at least 6 months after the incident in November 2013. I also know that after January, I was pretty much the ONLY one involved from either wiki. Again, just like back then, we couldn't and wouldn't do it all for you; you all needed to come aboard and help. The thing about change is that everyone can change. Everyone can correct their course in life and come back to the light. Everyone, without exception, can reform their behavior and attitude. But it requires effort and time, and most of all, a willing heart. "Yagottawanna." It's not just going to happen on its own. We've given you plenty of time and have made great efforts to help you. The issue isn't that you cannot change. It's that you intentionally choose not to. END OF LINE

I am stubborn i have an ego and i have pride i don't take contrary opinions well do you honestly think change would be that easy? Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

You are hereby banned permanently from the KHWiki. The only reason why I was lenient with you the first time was because of how Ignis treated you and viciously attacked you for no reason at all, but your behavior on the SDCC forum and what you said to Coldasfire, KSM, and frankly, the entire community is 100% unacceptable. As KSM pointed out, the community have been extremely patient with for nearly 5 years. You have been given enough chances to prove that you can change your behavior and clearly showed no evidence of such despite earlier claims. You behaved rudely to a user who is taking their valuable time and money to attend a convention, one of the biggest convention in the world and the most expensive to even go to, and treated the rest of the community with hostility simply because they disagreed with your images. And yet, you continue to make pitiful excuses and cast blame on everyone else, refusing to take responsibility. Enough is enough.--NinjaSheik 16:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't NinjaShiek i regret nothing and i would happily remove KSM and Kyrten from their administration you and the KHWiki expect others to change yet don't put in any changes yourselves you refuse to take part on the Disney Wiki you refuse to fix the way it and you have no interest in the MCU or GOT or Bleach you may call be rude but you brought it all on yourselves for a lack of ambition or pride and none of you took the discord channel seriously enough most of you ignored and did not use it for making the podcast it was an insult to me as was deleting most of my KHIII screenshots if you did not want me to act that way then they should never have been deleted in the first place and if you have anything more to say i will be on Discord but i know you won't bother enter it. 16:29, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Goodbye KSM and the rest of KHWiki i am rude and i am proud of it. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 16:07, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Bitch, fuck YOU. I didn't viciously attack him "for no reason at all." I attacked him for a VERY good reason: All this shit. Everything you just saw and experienced. I have REPEATEDLY pleaded with both you and Kryten, tried to reason with your better sensibilities and to no avail. Everything that went down, I pretty much told you like a fucking prophet. It boggles the mind why you refused to do the sensible and logical thing. I could've stayed happy. You all would've spared yourselves the drama. But it's like you're electromagnetically attracted to it. You NEED stupid shit to happen to you to feel relevant, even if you have to cause it yourself. All and said and done though, I DO love me some vindication. You deserved to suffer him because you refused to listen to reason when you could. Especially after calling my friend a "meat puppet" simply for doing his job as admin. Karma adds up, it doesn't subtract! --Ignis, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Once again, you argue that Byz should have been banned for engaging in the same exact behavior you've been engaging in. Once again, you're being chronically dishonest and trying to claim we banned you because we "didn't believe you" (an outright lie, the discussions in which you got banned had multiple staff members voicing that they thought Byz's behavior was not appropriate, and, NEWSFLASH, he got blocked too! He didn't get banned at the time because he was at least willing to pretend that he was willing to fix his behavior, rather than being so high off his own fumes that, at least then, he insisted that there was no possible line in the sand that he shouldn't cross if it was him doing it) rather than we banned you because you were breaking the rules.

Also, are you seriously still whining about the term "meatpuppet"? You're this upset about it and haven't looked up what the term means?

Let me spell this out in the clearest possible terms: even if we had banned rather than blocked Byz at that time, and explicitly told you that we agreed about his behavior? You would not have "stayed happy". You would have been banned anyway. You would always have been banned. And jesus, you are massively self-absorbed, getting this upset about a ban. Multiple staff members have been banned or blocked in the past for bad behavior. As I told you several times, I've been banned and blocked in the past for bad behavior. The difference between them and you is that the rest of us stopped throwing tantrums and grew the hell up -- and magically, just as we told you over and over would happen, the blocks were ended! Or we decided whining on a random fansite wasn't a good use of our time, and went outdoors! Went to parties! Fucked! There is literally nothing but your own pride keeping you posting these little rants, or hell, from contributing to the wiki as an editor in good standing, same as Byz, and yet the both of you prefer to wallow in your little persecution complexes instead of just saying "hey, maybe virulently attacking other editors isn't productive and helpful, and I should just privately ask an admin to step in when there's drama instead of throwing tantrums! What a unique way to live!" And that's the irony here -- you both hate each other so much for the exact same behavior, and you're both just as guilty as the other.

Food for thought: an Anon posted recently on my talk page that they thought you two were actually the same editor acting under multiple accounts. So, people outside the community here, people who are just random parts of the fandom coming here to read, can barely tell the difference between how you two are acting. And neither can the rest of us. And that's why the both of you are banned, and the community is the happier for it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:39, 21 July 2017 (UTC)