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You've been blocked two weeks for provoking Ignis when warned not to. Honestly, being around corrupted wikias like the Narutopedia, the One Piece Wiki, and not to mention all the stories I've heard on the DBZ Wiki, Bleach Wiki, and just wikias I visit, I've always hated when users engage if arguments when it comes to deciding whether something is a provocation or not, because on those wikias, discussions like that tend to get very heated and very messy quickly. I have always assumed good faith with you and Ignis, especially Ignis, despite his previous warnings by both KrytenKoro and Neumannz, as you can see on his talk page.. You yourself have received unofficial warnings from users in the past about your conduct, but most were done in 2014, and it felt wrong to judge you for it since we're now in 2017 and you have shown to improved your behavior since then and have been friendly with other users since then - until Ignis appeared and the two of you started butting heads, that is. Even so, you were pretty reasonable, apologizing for your behavior after the first warning to both me and Ultima Spark, and Ignis made it very clear that he was trying to get you banned from this wiki permanently, even though other users voiced that doing was too extreme, because you didn't do anything wrong or, at least, didn't mean to do so at first. I know I've said this before, but you never really approached users with the intent of malicious or rude, and only becoming aggressive when someone doesn't agree with you. Things between you and Ignis have only really escalated when you started talking to me on my talk page, and Ignis came in and the situation worsened from there. I know you said you didn't mean to provoke Ignis, but you really should have just avoided him. Therefore, the block. It's your first block, so two weeks seems appropriate. It's your decision on whether or not to return once it's over. And keep in mind about what I said before about being more mindful on your behavior in the future. In some ways, this wiki is corrupted, too, and I do not wish to be seen like certain admins on other wikias (as you edit on the Narutopedia like I did, you know what type of users I am referring to). Please understand.--NinjaSheik 20:05, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I will be on Discord if you want to talk to me. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this well. I do not like blocking/banning people, as I said numerous times before. I don't feel good about it, believe me. You have taken the full brunt of Ignis's discontent, and many of the reasons why he verbally abused was most certainly unwarranted and very ridiculous. I do not wish to be seen like an unreasonable tyrant like the type of users we are very familiar with across multiple wikias, and I do hope you do not view me as such. If you want talk to me, we can meet on the IRC. The block is just for a short time, and I think it may be good for you to take some time off from it after all of the drama has passed. Again, thank you for being understanding about this thing and very reasonable.--NinjaSheik 20:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Your welcome. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Re: Question

I feel awful that you could even suggest such a thing i have experienced that horrible and cruel action too many times. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

That's your decision to feel that way. You fully deserved the block, and I hope you learn from it. This attempt at emotional manipulation instead of showing any kind of understanding and remorse for why you were blocked is supremely unimpressive, and I would personally prefer that you do not return until you actually understand why you were blocked and make a commitment not to violate the rules again."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't tell me what i deserve from my point of view your just as libel yourself. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay, in light of the veiled threats and your complete and utter lack of remorse or understanding of how, exactly, you crossed the line, you've been indefinitely blocked until you demonstrate that your behavior will actually be corrected if you return. If you'd like to participate in the Heartless Manufactory, that would work, or you could simply make it clear on this talk page that you understand which rules you broke and commit to not breaking them again. Once you can do that, I can support removing the block. Have a good day, I hope you're able to find a project that doesn't stress you out this much."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Well i can try to improve at least. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Look i know what i did was incriminating but i still find difficulty to accept responsibility for my own actions its really hard to keep my own head down when i feel baited i have a persecution complex i think i'm not really sure how to change so i can avoid being in situations like this or the words that come with it for that matter. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

When I blocked you and you didn't say a word against it, I took it as a sign you understood why you're being blocked and tried to better yourself in the future. Your behavior towards Kryten is unacceptable, but you do acknowledged that what you said to was wrong and are trying to improve. If you're willingly to accept responsibility, please prove it by continuing to show a willingness improve and move past all of this, okay?--NinjaSheik 19:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I will try to avoid any unnecessary and uncomfortable entanglements. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 19:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

https://discord.gg/sBGeUGt Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I will be on here if anyone wishes to discuss things with me. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I have not seen any new development in regards to my current situation. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 18:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

NinjaShiek

Can we talk someplace? Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk)

Do not hide your messages since it count as evidence. I have changed your block back to two weeks. I'm editing on my phone right now, so let me be frank: If you truly wish to make amends, carry out the rest of your punishment quietly, and once it is over, you can come back. Show that you capable of keeping your word by showing that you are making a genuine effort to work on your behavior and improve yourself. Acknowledging your own misbehavior and promising to improve yourself is a good first step, so prove it when your block is over.--NinjaSheik 04:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Well i had to get you and Kyro attention somehow and if its not too much to ask can you please change it to a week since the block started a week ago and i don't want to miss my chance to upload images from E3. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

The point of the block is not to be convenient to you, Byz."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

It isn't but it already has been a week. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Kyro just to be clear i do understand my part in all this i was the catalyst i do understand my role in the situation i inadvertently caused i should have just spoken to an Admin about a language rule instead of just putting myself in the conversation where the profanity took place also Ninja i only did that remove the message from the wall thing to get your attention you were not really responding so i had to do something drastic besides i originally just wanted to cross out what was said to better deal with this whole situation. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't make an excuse for what you did. Everyone knows, across all wikias, that removing messages from your talk page is against the rules. Moreover, you put "baited" in the Summary box for doing so, which makes me less inclined to believe you. Read this. As Kryten, the point of the block is not be convenient to you. The length of the ban is a reflection of your own actions, and the reasonable time it will take you to think about on your behavior and understand what you did wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.--NinjaSheik 21:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

TheSilentHero Thought what i wrote was alright he gave me advice on what i could write and he also says that Kyro isn't asking for an apology but that i understood the gravity of the circumstances i'm in he was also on the Discord channel and communication would go alot easier if we all just talked there.. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 21:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

"i do understand my role in the situation i inadvertently caused i should have just spoken to an Admin about a language rule instead of just putting myself in the conversation where the profanity took place"

No. You shouldn't have talked to an admin about policing a discussion Ignis was having with admins, much less inserted yourself into said discussion to criticize Ignis. Ninja had previously told you to just not engage with Ignis. You should have been avoiding Ignis -- instead, you ignored her and were clearly following Ignis around.

At one part in all this, you also chose to post threats on my wall in response to me supporting sanctions on your behavior. They were mild threats, and you removed some of them, but you still did them in the first place.

"also Ninja i only did that remove the message from the wall thing to get your attention you were not really responding so i had to do something drastic"

No you didn't. You didn't "have to do" anything. You need to stop looking at this as everyone else just "forcing" you to do things, and take responsibility for your choices. You chose to break the rule about removing the messages on your talk page. You did that willingly, and you were not forced to do it. One of the problems here is that you act as if you think it's okay to disrupt the wiki because you feel you want attention, and that's not okay. If you want attention, get it elsewhere, but you do not disrupt the wiki for any reason.

"besides i originally just wanted to cross out what was said to better deal with this whole situation"

Learn how to just look away, or to accept the criticism. The issue with Ignis started because neither you nor Ignis were willing to accept criticism but were both happy to dish it out (ridiculously so in Ignis's case, it must be admitted), and you each have compounded on it in your own way by lashing out in response to the staff quite matter-of-factly pointing out how you two broke the rules. Its not about whether you like what the staff have said -- it's about whether what the staff have said is true or not.

Did someone point out a flaw that is fake? Then ignore them. If they're disrupting the wiki, tell a staff member.

Did someone point out a flaw that is true? Then fix that flaw.

I don't want you to apologize for any of this. I don't want you in time-out for any of this. I want you to reorganize your priorities so that you won't claim again that you "had to do" something to get attention, so that you won't try to justify disrupting the wiki in order to get your way or make a point. If the wiki isn't making you happy or satisfied? Play HALO, or Overwatch, or some other team game. Get your camaraderie there. If you are going to continue as part of this project, it's gotta be because you actually want the project to succeed, not because you think we're a good source for getting yourself attention. You've gotta basically remove your sense of self in relation to this project."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not missing my chance to upload Kingdom Hearts III images from this years E3. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 23:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

It might be easier to have this discussion on the Discord channel instead of my wall. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 23:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Someone else will be able to upload the KH3 images from E3. The wiki will be fine."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

But i want to be the one to upload it not someone else. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 01:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Enough. You are clearly missing the point here. The staff isn't here to cater to your whims. Your block will remain as it is.--NinjaSheik 03:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I have already served 2 weeks i want those images i have a monopoly to maintain. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 04:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Trailer Images

Hey, I know it's exciting and all, but remember that wiki policy doesn't allow images with trademarks on the image from the games. We limit game cutscenes to coming straight from the games, the only exception being screenshots from YouTube videos, but even then, they should have no watermarks or trademarks, okay? KeybladeSpyMaster 23:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

These are official screenshots they are supposed to be watermarked its how they are presented its Disney and Square Enix's choice also the ripped trailer screenshots are of blatantly poor quality i think it would be wise just to use the ones the company distributes even if they are watermarked besides its bare noticable. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 23:59, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The current wiki policy is to use only screenshots without the trademarks. That's the way it is. It may be Disney and Square Enix's decision to place the trademarks. It's also our decision to prohibit them. KeybladeSpyMaster 00:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes but its an old policy that is easily susceptible to change. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

The current wiki policy is to use only screenshots without the trademarks. That's the way it is. You're free to open a discussion on it, but the age of the policy doesn't matter. Until there's a change, that's the way it is. KeybladeSpyMaster 00:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Very well. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Warning

I'm not laughing!
	This is a warning for disruption on and off the wiki: failure to behave civilized, clear intent to break rules. Your edits have been reverted; please do not attempt to repeat them. If you wish to do test edits, you are welcome to do so here. — KeybladeSpyMaster 18:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - You're actions are totally illogical. TALK - - You've done enough! - 11:37 AM Sun, July 16, 2017 MST CODE 0x1SF1XKSMDRK: EMERGENCY Fine, my move. This is your first official warning, user. You've been afforded many warnings before, and you still don't listen. You need to calm down. Your persistent failure to behave civilly on this wiki and your clear intent not to adhere to the present wiki policies constitute disruption on this wiki. If you continue down this course, you will be blocked. END OF LINE

I don't even care anymore. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

You Don't Know When to Quit

KeybladeSpyMaster - You still don't get it, do you? TALK - - I'm also better than you! - 09:45 PM Thu, July 20, 2017 MST CODE 0xKH13X: SHUT DOWN That is IT. You are FINISHED, user. You just don't seem to know when to quit. We've been plenty patient with you over the last nearly five years and have given you plenty of chances, but you don't seem to change or show any effort or desire to do so. You have been overall very uncivil and disruptive on this wiki, and have managed to tick everyone off. And I personally don't get mad very easily, but I'm at the end of my rope, and I'm sure everyone else on site is as well. I'm requesting that this user be blocked or banned immediately for consistent and recurring disruptive, disrespectful, and uncooperative behavior, all of which are the exact opposite of that which is critical to be a part of this Wiki. We've tried everything we could to help this user stay, but this is enough. END OF LINE

Seconded. I've been observing Byz's behaviour for some time and I am also convinced that he does not have the capacity for self-improvement or reformation. He was temporarily banned recently, yet he insists on maintaining a toxic presence here, proving he hasn't learnt from his mistakes. The message above "I don't even care anymore" is further evidence that he is not willing to make amends for his actions. As such, I break my silence on this matter and support the idea of a ban. TheFifteenthMember 14:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

You both are hypocrites if i deserve to be banned so do you for acting like administrators when many of you have no right or place to. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

If your going to ban me just do it already neither one of us can truly change and you blatantly destroyed my KHIII uploads and left the Disney Wiki unsatisfied. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 14:45, 21 July 2017 (UTC)