Talk:Larxene

A few things on this article:

1. Vexen had originally conspired with Marluxia and Larxene, though he was acting as a spy for Zexion and the Org. Marluxia refers to Vexen as a traitor even.
2. There is no reason to remove the details about Sora being a part in Marluxia's plot - they give context for the unusual nature of Marluxia's order to Vexen.
3. The concern over Vexen was that he was going to tell Sora about "the other side" and Roxas - this was done for the Organization's purposes.

So, why the reverting of these accurate statements? All the edits seem to do is subtract detail. Scottch 15:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• Please see this talk page before continuing to revert without comment. Scottch 15:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

1. His first appearance implies no such thing, simply that he's a recluse scientist who decided to lend his hand to test Riku Replica. None of his other appearances state such a thing either. "Traitor" is a reference to the fact that Vexen went against Marluxia's and thus Organization XIII's will, not because of some betrayal to the conspiracy.
2. Look at the sentence. "They decide to order him to kill Sora by threatening to tell "the Superior" of the failure of the Riku Replica, even Sora's death that would ruin their plans to use him against the Organization's head members." It makes no sense, and it's not unusual with the fact that they didn't expect Vexen to succeed.
3. Yes, the inital concern was over Roxas' existence. But Vexen died revealing Marluxia's plan. Read the script. Also, please prove that it was for the Organization's purposes. Interrobang 15:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

That makes no sense. Marluxia wouldn't consider him a traitor to the Organization because he wouldn't join Marluxia in betraying the organization. That's circular - the "traitor" remark is certainly as a traitor to Marluzia, not the Organization. The second sentence is missing a word and I'll fix that, but the point isn't that their orders to Vexen made sense - the point of it being against their real ends to eliminate Sora is that it caused Vexen confusion - just a contextual detail. It's nothing big, but there's no reason to leave it out either. As for Vexen's last words - it should be obvious it was for the Organization, because it was to reveal the traitors. I'll combine the wordings to reduce the confusion. Scottch 16:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Weapon

What are everyone's thoughts on what Larxene's weapon is?

It's called knives officially I believe... as far as I know the "kunai" reference is just a comparison to kunai made by fans. Much like calling Xemnas' blades "lightsabers" or Zexion's weapon a dictionary. It seems like we should just go with what's official... and mention that they are often called kunai by fans? How does that sound? Scottch 04:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Well many call it a Kunai due to its design. Plus the way Larxene uses them is identical to ninja using the kunai as a throwing weapon. pic of Kunai Fractyl

It may "officially" knives, but if we did everything the "official way" many articles would come into question, the fact is that her weapons are 100% kunai, they are between her fingers and thrown, knives are generally held one-at-a-time, by hand and may be thrown.Therequiembellishere 21:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Are we changing it or not?Therequiembellishere 05:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean "many articles would come into question"? How could any articles about fictional people come into question by using the people who created them as the official word? I'm not seeing anything other than what some fans think her weapons look like to support this, and that's not really enough to contradict the people who designed her as a character. Besides, she's not the only character with an odd weapon name. Does this look like Saïx's weapon to you? Probably not, but it's still a claymore, and it wouldn't make it smart to change his weapon to "club" or something just because it makes more sense to me. Scottch 12:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, yes. Therequiembellishere 06:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Fractyl, did you actually read the Wikipedia article you got that picture from? That isn't a real kunai, it's just what most people picture when they think of a kunai. Also they were not commonly used as throwing weapons. As for the weapon type thing, if they were officially referred to as knives, call them knives. If it was kunai, call them kunai. Same with Saïx's sword; if it was officially called something other than a claymore, then that's whatwe should call it. LapisScarab 18:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Axel??

She seems to be on good terms with Axel, often seen touching and even flirting with him in the new Re:CoM cutscenes. This has led some fans to believe there is more to their relationship. shouldn't be Marluxia instead of Axel? I don't know, I haven't played the game but it doesn't sound correct. Pablo618 15:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it was Axel. Marluxia was her boss, and Axel and her were more on the same level. Furthermore, Marluxia doesn't make much of an appearance in the middle of the game.XienZo 02:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I always thought Larxene was Marluxia's bitch -.- Pablo618 01:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, she COULD be, but given that she's Larxene... *cough*

but anyway, the cutscenes are of her flirting with AxelXienZo 02:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

the hooker of the Org. LOL Pablo618 03:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I still can't bring myself to think that a sadist like Larxene would actually have feelings for Axel.... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Actually, she doesn't have any feeling ^^

I don't get how someone can think that there's something between Axel and Larxene. She's just taunting him like she does with everyone in those cutscenes! That wasn't serious flirting! LapisScarab 04:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC) --Unbirth 19:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious that Larxene is a full-blooded Nobody (that was just a figure of speech, anyway). Childish demeanour, sadistic traits, excessive laughing. How can she and Axel ever click... There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? I always thought they were a bit of an item. Sadism vs. sarcasm could go into a bit of a romance and remember, CoM came before KHII where we learned that the Organization are emotionless. Of course when Larxene called Axel a jerk I wasn't that surprised.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... If you guys ever read the novel, Larxene told Marluxia she doesn't want a heart back. A heart brings pain. I always thought something happened to Larxene, like she used to have a boyfriend. I also thought she might've flirted with Axel, well...Just to have fun. It's obvious that she flirted with him in CoM. Still, I want really see them together besides just flirting. I dunno...Kinda hard to explain.

Larxene's voice

I don't know what she's actually saying, ( though it sounds like "because of you" ) on the Youtube clip. She says it so fast it sounds like Pikachu an electric Pokemon

Its in Japanese, "Ikazuchiyo" or lightning, basically.XienZo 03:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    I always thought her English voice kind of sounded like Misa Amane's off of Death Note, even her look resembles Misa's! If you don't know who I'm talking about, Google Misa Amane.

Elena?

I think Larxene just may be a Nobody of the FFVII character Elena. The hair is the same, and they look a lot alike. I switched some letters around and actually got the name 'Elena' from her name. But, maybe not, there is an 'R' in her name too...hmm...

Honestly, I believe all the Organization members are unique to Kingdom Hearts, as well as their somebodies. Otherwise, it could cause massive canon issues between KH and the original FF. XienZo 22:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

User:ILHI/Talk Na, it's not Elena. My ideal transformation of Larxene's name (without the X) turns out to be Arlene. (troisnyxetienne, 2009.01.04)

and yes, XienZo, you were right about the part where you said all Organization members are unique to Kingdom Hearts. I mean, they've gotta be - even if they bear similarities in personality to Final Fantasy characters. Otherwise Nomura might find Final Fantasy characters swarming the place and overcrowding Radiant Garden, who knows... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! Arlene? I got Ralene.Or Lerena, Anerel, Aneler, Relena, Naleer, Reelan, Leeran, Nareel, Nerela, Aleren, Ren............I'll stop. Renale! There, I'm done! By the way, I did all of this in my head. No anagram maker.

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. I like Relena just because I think it sounds cool. But I like Elenra the most because it sounds even cooler =P and because it sounds like a variation of Elektra, sounds like Electric, associated with Lightning, which is Larxene's element. I like Elenra the most.

358/2 Days Video

Where is this supposed video of Larxene laughing at Xion's introduction?DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS 18:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3qWXs7oWU at 0:41. Of course, thats only a split second, but these scenes are recycled in trailers and its possible a later/previous trailer had the same scene held longer so we could actually identify what their reactions were. XienZo 18:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Larxene didn't laugh...all I saw was the org. watching her. DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS 21:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It could have been another trailer with the same scene with more focus on their reactions. I believe some blog said Larxene was laughing when Xion appeared. XienZo 21:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Where's the blog?DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS 22:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's the KHvid's translation of the blog: http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=28211 and the line is here:

o The expressions of the Org. members varies from each member. Vexen and Larxene laugh. Marluxia and Leaxus express a little anger through their eyebrows. (Tomo's note: Remember, Org. members can only fake emotion.) Vexen then starts to move. (FF&KH notes that his chair seemed to be awfully low.) Axel moved his hand to his mouth. XienZo 23:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Videos

Could we please replace the videos with ones that showcase her abilities, and one for each battle? The ones we have now just show Sora repeatedly breaking her combos, which isn't very informative.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 13:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

English Voice Actress

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. This really shouldn't be here but I want to know if I'm alone on this topic or not: How many people loathe Larxene's voice in the english Re:CoM? I do, from what I gather on Larxene's personality, she should sound like a young, sly, but evil chick. Not a snotty, preppy, high-school bitch! I'm not trying to say Shanelle Workman-Gray is a bad voice actress, I'm saying she was the wrong choice for Larxene. Also, Marluxia, to me, sounds like a 9th grader got high one day and thought he was a king. I can just picture some stoned dude saying "All you need do is layer Sora's memories".

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Sounds perfect to me.

The very fact that Larxene was meant to have a sadistic personality says it all. She could sound like a high-school jerk and get away with her sadism. She sounds wonderful, if you ask me. The only two voice actors in Re:Chain which do sound wrong, in my opinion, are Vincent Corazza (Zexion) and whoever's voicing Mickey (I'm sure it's not Wayne Allwine). Zexion sounds like he's reading Zexion's lines from a script rather than speaking them out, which makes him somewhat... over-Nobody, and Mickey sounds like a drunk version of himself trying to keep his speech as sober as possible. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

HeartlessSlayer - You see, I want to help them because...because...well, they need us. TALK - *&&X% Actually, I think maybe the problem with Mickey's acting is that since I noticed in Re:CoM, they didn't adjust the movement of the characters lips to say exactly what they're saying in english. Its still the japanese version simply being dubbed over like an anime. Who ever would've thought they would be cheap to save money by doing that huh?

I know it has been dubbed over the Japanese version. But come to think of it, the European releases have ALWAYS suffered the same fate (whilst the previous games were dubbed over English versions). It wouldn't make much difference to me. Imagine, I'm soon to get the English version. Once I manage to find clips of the French version on YouTube, Donald Reignoux (the voice of Sora) will have done the same thing - he'd have voiced "over" another voice, as usual. What counts for me, though, is how they space in the dialogues. That piques my curiosity. But to me, Mickey's voice acting (in filling in the spaces between the Japanese voicing and the English voicing) is okay. It's his voice that sounds drunk. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Larxene's Weapon

its not Knive's it a kunai if you look at your kunai and knive. kunai are taller then knives so can someone plz edit this and lock the page from being editing thank you 72.208.118.127 02:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Eliskuya

...A kunai is just one type of knife. And knives can be a foot long, so don't tell me a kunai is always longer than a knife. Besides, I guess you're going to have to tell Tetsuya Nomura he's wrong for calling them knives, since it's only the word used to referred to them in the KH2 Ultimania.--Urutapu 06:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

dose ninja's use knife's no! they use kunai. its not in the book so I am going changed it72.208.118.127 17:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow...you really know jack squat about ninjas. I'm guessing your basing your loud objection on the Naruto episodes you've watched?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Guys, lemme resolve the conflict here. Both of you are right in saying what you guys had to say (only, tone it down a little, will you ?). Urutapu was right in saying that those are knives because of their length. Eliskuya was right in saying they were kunais because of the way Larxene throws them (i.e. placing them between her fingers). Just whatever it is, let's follow what Nomura had to say, okay ? If he does change the definition of Larxene's weapons for 358/2 Days we'll switch accordingly. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

how the heck dose a ninja use knife. its dumb they use kunai's not knife I hope someone gets this into their head72.208.118.127 02:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

@Troisnyxetienne: Kunai aren't held between the fingers, though, they're too thick. They're one-per-hand sort of weapons, for stabbing, not slashing. Anime, manga, and games exaggerate their usefulness as a throwing weapon, but even in fiction they're almost never used for slashing.—Urutapu 02:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

you don't know nothing about ninja's Urutapu. anyway Troisnyextinne. I can get on my page now. I well update the picture of xigbar. on my page talk to you soon amiga72.208.118.127 02:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}} Fun fact: Kunai are actually gardening trowels. Seriously, her weapons look like they could be very-stylized knives or very-stylized kunai. I think you could safely call them either in this case, even if Nomura didn't exactly say the word "kunai". Besides, if you bring those into the real world, they're going to be pretty hard to use as either anyway ("Let me grab my...OW! All the ends are pointy!") Come on guys, don't make me change the official wiki name to "Larxene's Awesome Sharp Pointy Electric Weapons of Awesomeness".

o_O; BK you are silly! I never seen ninja's use knives before this is dumb. I never seen something like this. anyway off topic amigos

These are kunai. They're pretty damn big.

"As with the shuriken and ninjutsu, the exaggeration persistent in ninja myths played a large role in creating the current pop culture image of kunai. In the mythology of ninja, the kunai is commonly portrayed to be a Japanese knife that is used for throwing as well as stabbing."

"As a weapon it is larger and heavier than a shuriken, and with the grip could also be used in hand to hand combat more readily than a shuriken."

"In addition, it could be used for climbing, as either a kind of grappling hook, or a piton.[1]"

This is what qualifies as a knife:

"A knife is a handheld sharp-edged instrument consisting of a handle attached to a blade that is used for cutting. Knives were used at least two-and-a-half million years ago, as evidenced by the Oldowan tools. [1][2]"

This is what Larxene uses.

From the above, I'm pretty sure you've never seen an actual ninja using a kunai, either, at least nothing like the type you see in Naruto, or like the knives Larxene uses. Kunai are also completely impossible to hold between the fingers like Larxene does, unlike Stilletos, which are a kind of knife virtually identical to the Shock Charms. (what's your hangup with ninjas, anyway? People only think she's like one because they think her weapon's are kunai, so it's circular reasoning)

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. Will everyone stop talking about this? Please?? There was no need to go into all thi technical talk about size and use. Some of the Organization members' weapons are nothing like their real world counterparts. Axel's chakrams are absolutly nothing like real chakrams and Saïx's claymore has some extreme diffrences from real claymores as well. The point is, there's no point in this conversation since Nomura doesn't even follow the technicallities of their weapons anyway. So just keep it as "knives" because that what it says in the Ultimania and that's the closest thing we have to official right now, OK?

If you insist. Well, I wasn't even close to editing anything. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}} Nicely convincing argument. Knives it is, then.

Attacks

GohanRULEZ - Turn Back the Pendulum,Shout the Truth TALK - We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing I was good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in Does anyone know were to get the Attacks for the rest of Organization 13?

The named ones are from CoM, and then there are semi-named ones from the Bradygames and Ultimania guides.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Larxene's Heartless

Emilyc - Maybe, life just has to go on TALK - They call me Darling. Whenever someone says Larxene's name, I can picture her wearing gothic things under her coat. I think we might see the gothic girl's Heartless in a future game. Do you think Larxene is gothic?

I don't know... Methinks she's more prep-school than gothic. Prep-school because of her voice. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Emilyc - Maybe, life just has to go on TALK - They call me Darling. Well, goths like evil and Larxene is evil. Goths dress spooky (more spooky than Halloween Town) and Larxene might be dressed that way when she was whole. Goths do bad stuff like littering, bulling, swearing etc and Larxene tried to kill Sora. Add that up.

Correction : Not all goths like evil. I have a friend who's a goth and she's as sweet as ever. If you've seen Mean Girls, you might want to equate that to Larxene. Only that Larxene does it in a more severe manner. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. I don't think she's goth. I see her as one of those punky chicks that like to be wild and doesn't care what people think about her, personality-wise.

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! I think she was a hired assasin as a whole person (which explains her violent nature.)

Quotes Section

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} Does anyone else agree that Larxenes quote section has gotten way out of hand! they're over 30 !!! There is no need to quote almost every line she speaks! I say we bring them down to, say, 20 tops! anyone agree?

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. I agree 100% I think we should get it down to 15 or even around 10. I'll do it now.

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} phew, It's a relief to see that there're only 14 now :P we'd better watch out for any users (or anonymous IPs) who might add it again!

I have a question: What happened to Larxene's pic from 358/2 days?

High Quality Days Image

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} The site for 358/2 Days has been updated with a high-quality image of Larxene, and Lexaeus as well. Just thought I'd get that out there for anyone who wants to get the renders.

There are also high quality images of Xaldin, Luxord and a new one of Axel with his chakrams too. I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice.

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." I've uploaded the Larxene one and I'll do Luxord later, but the Xaldin and Lexaeus ones are cut off. Also, I propose we use this new render as the main picture for the page because the current one only shows her face from side on.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} I say we use all of the Days versions because they look better, and it could be seen as a way to celebrate Days on the Wiki.

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." We're already using Roxas' Days artwork for his page, so why not then?.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Yup, it's all good. Also, that Axel render could be cut out too. We have a Days one, but not the one where he's holding his chakrams.

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." I did that a while ago File:Axel Days 2.png

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Oh, lovely.

Cool. Just try to get Xaldin and Lexaeus, please. BTW, It is possible to get a full render of Lexaeus. Get the site at full screen. Xaldin will use some work though, as you will tru to get a full render of him with his six ginsu lances.

Weapon Names

Oh, Trois is gonna have a field day when she gets back.

And a field day I'm going to have, indeed. I'd better get back to my books ! The rest of you, see Talk:Calment - because I have a feeling the spelling is wrong. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Yeah. All of her weapons are French. But I wonder what they all look like, except for Eclair, that is Larxene's default.

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I just noticed that they were nammed in french. O_o A bit weird for me to find words in my language in articles about a japanese game, on an english wiki. I bet they won't change any of them in the french version.

Yeah. Maybe the person who was Larxene came from France and her name was Arlene. But when she lost her heart Xemnas found her and became Larxene. That's my theory.Winxfan1 20:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. France doesn't even exist in the KH universe, it wouldn't be logical. I agree about the name, it may be Arlène (in the french version, Larxène is written with an accent)

Yeah. It was a theory as to why Larxene's weapon names were french.Winxfan1 22:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Actually, it kinda makes sense to me. I mean, if you ever read the Manga, you'll see Larxene reading a book called Marquis de Sade. It was a book about a FRENCH sadist, rapist, and bunch of other things I forgot. If you think about, the book is in French and her weapons are in French, too! Put two and two together, and you get your answer!

Well, that and "Larxene" just sounds French. If you read katakana it's even more French-sounding; the transliteration has a very French style.—Urutapu 23:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. Actually, the Marquis de Sade was a writter (he really lived, but the book she was reading wasn't his), and the word "sadism" came from his name (and we all know that Larxene love to make suffer). I think they make Larxene related to France to use the "refined" image that come from. Thanks God they haven't use it for Marluxia, so haven't make him the nth gay-lookin-french-guy...