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KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - So, normally you don't include a person's various titles in their article name on a wiki, although you can within the lead or body. However, we need to make a decision on where that difference lies. We have a lot of these that have titles, and some that don't but could have them if we decide to include them. List Ansem the Wise (poss. Ansem (the Wise), or King Ansem) Ansem, Seeker of Darkness (poss. Ansem (Seeker of Darkness)) Aqua (poss. Master Aqua) Aurora (poss. Princess Aurora) Beast (poss. Prince Adam(is this canon?), The Beast) Belle (poss. Princess Belle) Captain Barbossa (poss. Barbossa, Hector Barbossa) Captain Hook (poss. Hook) Jack Sparrow (poss. Captain Jack Sparrow, Captain Sparrow) Cinderella (poss. Princess Cinderella) Daisy Duck (poss. Princess Daisy?) Dr. Finkelstein (poss. Finkelstein) Dr. Jumba (poss. Jumba) Jasmine (poss. Princess Jasmine) Mickey Mouse (poss. The King, Master Mickey, King Mickey, Master Mickey Mouse, King Mickey Mouse, etc.) King Triton (poss. Triton) Lady Tremaine (poss. Tremaine) Master Eraqus (poss. Eraqus) Xehanort (poss. Master Xehanort) Mr. Smee (poss. Smee) Mrs. Potts (poss. Potts) Prince Charming (poss. Charming) Prince Eric (poss. Eric) Prince Phillip (poss. Phillip) Minnie Mouse (poss. Queen Minnie, Queen Minnie Mouse) Riku (poss. Master Riku) Yen Sid (poss. Master Yen Sid) Personally, I think the Ansems should stay the same, and for the various royalty, the title should be dropped if they are ever referred to without it. As for "Master", I don't think it should be in the article titles at all; right now, only Eraqus uses it, and I'm certain we've heard him just called Eraqus at some point. Same with Captain, I think "Barbossa" and "Hook" have appeared on their own, though if we can get canon backing for Hector and, I think, James, we should add them (if not, their articles should not be claiming them as the names). As for Squall Leonhart, and any other FF characters given full names outside the journal...I feel like we should add them in. Mr., Mrs., and Dr., it sounds pretty funky to drop, so let's leave them. ....or, we can tell Kryten to jog off, and keep using whatever the latest journal entry uses. Thoughts? (Also, I can't access it right now, but somehow the categories on KHWiki:Horseless Headless Horsemann need to be neutered.)

UxieLover1994 Cuando la vida te da las herramientas, a construir motos libración — 17:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC) If it means changing the names to their true names or whatnot, I'm against it. Too Sci-Fi wiki-like. Next, you'll be asking on changing the tence to past, which I only agree on for certain articles. I'm happier the way things are. So sorry, but just stating my two cents.

LightRoxas - "I'm proud to be a small part of something bigger - the people it did choose. TALK - "I am who I am, because of them." I agree that we should drop the Master from all titles - and I too remember that the page was once just Eraqus. As for the rest, I'd say keep them - in many cases, the title is almost their first name of sorts, since they aren't referenced by their actual name in the game. That being said, I can see changing Mickey and Minnie to have their "King" and "Queen" titles, if that's what the other editors want - but I personally think they are fine as is.

KrytenKoro - Click TALK - Minnie and Mickey have both been named without "King/Queen" in their names, so those would be left as is according to my suggestion. Basically, the effect of my suggestion would be: Captain Barbossa >> Hector Barbossa Captain Hook >> Hook Dr. Finkelstein >> Finkelstein Dr. Jumba >> Jumba King Triton >> Triton Lady Tremaine >> Tremaine Master Eraqus >> Eraqus Mr. Smee >> Smee Mrs. Potts >> Potts Prince Charming >> Charming Prince Eric >> Eric Prince Phillip >> Phillip Leon >> Squall Leonhart With each of these being only if we can find somewhere in the scripts or journals where they are referred to with these names.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - This heart belongs again to darkness. All worlds begin in darkness, and all so end. The heart is no different. Darkness sprouts within it—it grows, consumes it. Such is its nature. In the end, every heart returns to the darkness whence it came. TALK - Your body submits, your heart succumbs—so why does your mind resist? — 23:27, 25 May 2012 (UTC) I really can't stand it when our "logic", so-called, contradicts what the GAMES tell us. It is my personal opinion that we go with what the journal entries call the respective characters and just leave the bloody articles ALONE for once instead of drastically overthinking things: Games > Nomura referring to "Master Xehanort" as "Xehanort" 20 times in a KH3D interview because he knows we know who he's talking about in context of the interview > fan-logic. Honestly, if I were just someone browsing around the KH Wiki, I would type "Master Eraqus" in the search bar if I wanted to read about Master Eraqus, not "Eraqus". I would type "Aqua" to read about Aqua rather than "Master Aqua". I would search "Captain Hook" to read about Captain Hook rather than "Hook" simply because that's not what the character's called (at least the incarnation of him present in Kingdom Hearts). There is no such character as "Triton", only KING Triton. Short and sweet, informally dropping a title or using nicknames is simply part of natural conversation. I don't go around calling you "KrytenKoro" all the time; I call you "Kryten". You don't call me "Eternal Nothingness XIII" all the time; you call me "ENX". Same goes for last names: I don't call Tom Sanderson "Tom Sanderson" whenever I refer to him; I call him "Tom". Unless there are numerous characters running around with the same name (*cough* Xehanort incarnations *cough*), it is implied that when I say "Tom", I mean "Tom Sanderson". We keep both Jack Sparrow AND Jack Skellington so we know who we're talking about when. If the name appears again in context and it's obvious we know who we're talking about, THAT's when we shift to "Jack". Furthermore, a character like Jack Sparrow referring to Captain Barbossa as "Barbossa" is simply so we don't have to hear "Captain Barbossa, Captain Barbossa, Captain Barbossa" over and over again. As I said above, it's just not how people talk. You also need to look at how the character him/herself and his/her relationship and mannerisms with the person to whom he/she refers. Master Xehanort doesn't respect Master Eraqus, so why use the title? Thus "Eraqus" is used by Master Xehanort to refer to that particular character. When "Xehanort" is referred to as such, it's very confusing in the case of KH3D, and Master Xehanort or Young Xehanort usually has to be on the screen for us to know who the characters are talking about. Obviously the only Xehanort in BBS was "Master Xehanort", so we know who Terra's referring to when he says, "But I was tricked. Xehanort set the whole thing up." Your suggestions are just no-brainers or common sense (note I do not list all of your suggestions, only a few that get the point across for all related characters; I apologize for any redundancy to above sections): Master Xehanort -> Xehanort...Really? And YOU hate confusing titles/links on the Wiki? The article could be about anyone called "Xehanort" if we did something like this... I saw your draft of the "Xehanort" article, and while the arguement about merging Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort is another arguement for another day, I honestly thought someone finally changed "Terra-Xehanort" back to "Xehanort" (apprentice) like I had asked at forst. It wasn't until I bothered to actually click the link on the Recent Changes that I saw the subject matter... Belle -> Princess Belle....Um, no. As long as you've been alive and Beauty and the Beast has been out, how many times have you actually seen/heard her referred to this way? Lady Tremaine -> Tremaine...Who the hell is "Tremaine"? No character has ever existed with this name. Leon -> Squall Leonhart...As far as I know, no character called "Squall Leonhart" exists within Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, it's included in Leon's backstory, but that's like changing your last name and having some stubborn idiot continue to use your original one. Cloud -> Cloud Strife...The last name is never used; we're not the FF Wiki, where it IS. While we as fans know him to be Cloud Strife, the characters in Kingdom Hearts know him as Cloud. Captain Hook -> James Hook...The character is never reffered to as "James Hook" in Disney media, which is the farthest we can go for evidence in terms of the character in Kingdom Hearts. He's only called "Hook" when it's obvious the viewer knows we're talking about CAPTAIN Hook. Captain Barbossa -> Hector Barbossa...We're not the Disney Wiki. Our perspective is limited to Kingdom Hearts. The name "Hector" is never used in the game. We make policies for a reason...to stick to them; we all make a pact to do so. Yeah, policies change, but only to be improved...not to be completely eliminated and replaced with something purely nonsensical. We agreed long ago to only refer to the characters as the games do (yes I know these exact words are not in the MoS...), and that's how I feel it should stay!

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 03:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC) I agree with EternalNothingness. I'm known as UxieLover1994, but most people around here (and on other wikis) refer to me as Uxie. Changing the articles names, especially with Leon's, will just confuse people. Yes, they do it on some wikis, but that's because they follow the "articles for everything" rule (everything as in there is also articles for those who don't need it such as Input/Outpot (IO) Tower, Santa's House, Tremaine Manor, even Cortéz), and our wiki's not like that. Some of these names don't even make sence, particually with Belle.