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This is really, really stupid. We suffer ''nothing'' for waiting at least until Rinzler is even mentioned as his ''name'' (remember Leon?), and only look foolish if it turns out we were making claims based off of half a second of video and they end up being wrong.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.195|192.249.47.195]] 15:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC) | This is really, really stupid. We suffer ''nothing'' for waiting at least until Rinzler is even mentioned as his ''name'' (remember Leon?), and only look foolish if it turns out we were making claims based off of half a second of video and they end up being wrong.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.195|192.249.47.195]] 15:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
== "Villain" == | |||
Noun: villain (plural villains) | |||
#A vile, wicked person. | |||
##An extremely depraved person, or one capable or guilty of great crimes. | |||
##A deliberate scoundrel. | |||
So, I just removed the lackeys completely, for this plus a variety of reasons: | |||
*Hayabusa, Maleficent's Goons, Lucifer: We are not even sure these guys are sapient and thus "evil". They're barely different, morally, from the Heartless. | |||
*Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed, Pain and Panic: These guys aren't even enemies after your first fight(s) with them, like Lock, Shock, and Barrel. | |||
*Undead Pirates and Maleficent's Goons: generic mooks. Not villains. | |||
*Iago, Flotsam and Jetsam, Mr. Smee, Sark, Drizella and Anastasia: I removed them because they are lackeys, but arguably they could be put back. Iago and Mr. Smee, however, seem to just be doing it as a job, and I personally wouldn't consider them villains. | |||
*Beagle Boys, Rinzler: All we know about the Beagle Boys so far is that they serve Pete, and we know jack all about Rinzler (and even in the film, he is a brainwashed goon). | |||
If we want to reconsider this as "Disney Enemies", that could be done, but then you'd have stuff like the Tremaines and The Queen being removed completely, while Beast, Captain Pete, Experiment 221, Gantu, Hercules, Monstro, Magic Mirror, Ice Titan, Peter Pan, Queen of Hearts, Rock Titan, and the Seven Dwarves would be added in. And that's certainly doable, if we want to make a navbox like that. I should probably rejigger the enemy template to create a category for that, too. | |||
Personally, I think ''this'' template works better with a plot focus, highlighting the actual villains who the heroes have to work against, rather than mixing in their goons and lackeys. Esepcially since that's what the name implies.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
I'm just gonna remove the lackeys completely. This was originally meant for "the big bads who serve as the antagonists", and now it's just become "disney people who look like they might fight you initially". Several of them aren't even aggressive |
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