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Erry - Ragnarok de Dies Irae. TALK - Nascent Requiem ~ 03:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC) Well let me be the first to announce that we are moving from the Ventus-Sora-Roxas theme to a KH3D theme. Everything will be rebuilt on the purple color within the logo. During the roundtable we discussed possible ideas for the new main page, such as a portal, similar to Traverse Town. We also are looking for new logos for the wiki. I have made these, one that strays away from the "traditional" columnar appearance and one that sticks to it with the released artwork. We want to see what you want to see. This is not only for the KH3D remodel of the front page (or actually wiki-wide appearance) but for the main page as a whole with included templates, portal pages (e.g: KHWiki: Games or KHWiki: Weapons, etc.). We look forward to seeing your ideas.

BakaKidd The ultimate in nobody noobs! — 03:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC) Ok so,what if for the portals,like the character portal,weapon portal,etc...we have it change every time you visit? like you click onto here and u have axel on the Character portal,then next time u visit the main u have anssem,braig,Ventus,or someone else. same bout the other portals. if it aint possible,e could put KH3D based things for them,like Neku for the character portal,and a spirit and nightmare dream eater for the enemy tab. let me know what you guys think! ^-^

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! 1. This is my version of the logo, based on the traditional columnar appearance. 2. About the main page, I think Traverse Town should have a more prominent appearance on the page- if I hadn't been randomly clicking around on the sidebar one day, I wouldn't have known Traverse Town existed. Other than that, I don't think much else is missing from the page. Also, the Command Board needs to be renamed, and due to the overall lack of information about 3D, I wouldn't recommend setting any name in stone yet. And the Mirage Arena, Quote of the Day, and Did You Know sections need to be moved lower on the page and made less prominent, while the Command Board and Helping Out sections, which are infinitely more useful to newcomers, need to be more prominent. That is all.

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 04:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC) I like Erry's first logo or As if's one, both suit me fine. But yeah, it is a little early to be changing our theme to KH3D, when we don't even know too much about the game.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 06:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC) I like the idea of having changing portal images. Excellent idea! I believe we had an idea earlier to have each one lead to a "sub-main page" that contains modified tidbits for just that group. Characters, for example, would have "Top Content", "Character News", etc. Basically similar versions of the main 3-4 parts of the main page that become exclusive to a group. ErryK's logos are both nice, but As if's just takes the cake for me. I'm a fan of our traditional tri-columnar style.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I like As if!'s logo, but I honestly don't see what's wrong with our current theme.

LightRoxas Talk! — "Get real! Look which one of us is winning!" Axel went somewhere. He went to sleep. I like ErryK's first logo the best, but all are excellent.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - {{{time}}} I really like ErryK's first logo. Although, As If!'s logo is as awesome as ErryK's.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 15:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC) Would it be possible to see a variation of As If!'s logo using the renders? I prefer his over Erry's, but the way Wandanyan and Komori Bat are just cut off randomly doesn't work for me.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! Something like this?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 15:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC) I think now that I see that version, I prefer the artwork (we've always used the art in the logos in the past. But it would look better if Wandanyan and Komori Bat filled the entire space like Sora and Riku do.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! If I make them fill the entire space, part of their bodies will get cut off. You complained about that in my first logo, so I made them really small in order to make them fit in the second one. Now you want them larger again. Are you okay with their bodies being partially cut off too?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Funny... This whole time, I've been telling myself I want to be stronger, more independent... But the second I let my heart do the talking... I find out how little I really know myself. And how much I miss them. TALK - All this time, I've been staring into the darkness... But... that doesn't mean I have to jump in. — 16:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC) What I didn't like about your first logo, As If!, was how Wandanyan's legs were just missing and Komori Bat was so small. I want to mask the fact that Wandanyan has no legs.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! If I make Komori Bat any bigger, too much of his wings will be cut off. Unless you really want that there's nothing else I can do to the image. Sorry to let you down. EDIT 16:51, 9 October 2011 (UTC): Here is the one ENX asked for:

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 17:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC) That looks PERFECT!!!

Okay, I really like the render one you made, As If. LightRoxas"So many are still waiting for their new beginning, their birth by sleep. Even me... and even you."

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 21:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC) The only problem with the render one is it breaks our trend of always using artwork, and Wandanyan/Komori Bat are too small.

I would rather stick to the artwork one, and so I would go for Asif's final version of the logo. I would also go with refraining from using renders - we attempted to use renders for the BBS logo at one point in time, but ultimately switched back to artwork, didn't we? But good on you, Erry, for bringing about the theme change. I'll gladly welcome it. Also, will the changes apply to all skins? I personally hope they do. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 21:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The Inexistent - All the world's a puzzle, and I the one who made it so... TALK - EVIL has come... at last... I honestly can say I hate what I did with the place. (O_O). BUT, I can tell you what I was TRYING to do. The Background: Instead of a boring four symbols, I upped it to nine, and gave it some color as opposed to the gray and white. HOWEVER, the color, in my opinion, didn't turn out well, and, because I was too lazy to try to fix the background (because the original version was a jpeg; it was immensly artifacted), it had to remain as two shades of gray. The Symbols: Heart- obvious. Another Heart- to make it nine... if someone wants to stylize a new one for me, I would appreciate it. "Somebody" symbol- Because it fits with the them. Keyhole- obvious. Mark of Mastry symbol- Because the MoM is the focus of DDD. Mickey Head- obvious. Dreameater symbol- obvious. Crown- Sora's symbol. If Riku had a symbol, I would replace the second heart with it. Key- obvious. The Navi headers- the one thing I didn't completely screw up. I think they're good, as the color isn't too intense, yet not too weak. The Logo- like I said at the Roundtable, I like the traditional three column- artwork style best, although As If!'s logo is a tad too large.

Chitalian8 Say... — Mother and Father call me Joshua. I guess you can call me Joshua, too... Since you're my dear, dear partner. I don't see how this is my fault. You're the one who refuses to call me Pink. — 01:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC) I like what you have with the symbols so far. Isn't Riku's semi-official symbol the Heartless emblem, minus the spiked "X" across the middle? You could have that instead of the second heart.

I'll see if I can switch the symbols tomorrow. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 02:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Is it possible to make the faces of the characters fill the columns a little bit? Sort of the way it is with our current logo? It just looks a little, I don't know... small?

Again, will the changes apply to all skins? I'll gladly help with Roundedblue if needed. EDIT 09:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC): At this point I'm handling the header titles (Community, Toolbox etc.) They're almost done, but now all I'll need is to work out the header, come up with a background colour and work accordingly. I have access to Photoshop on the university computers, so I trust we should be okay. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 09:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 13:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC) In my mind, the perfect KH3D theme will be as follows: Slightly (keyword SLIGHTLY) smaller version of As if!'s most recent logo Only use the official KH3D "wallpaper" from the Japanese site for the navigation headers/background (obviously we'd change the background from purple to the gray and white we're currently using; navi headers would be purple like in the wallpaper). Main page would be recolored to match KH3D (what's yellow becomes purple, etc. And there's my two cents on the subject.

Erry - Ragnarok de Dies Irae. TALK - Nascent Requiem ~ 15:08, 10 October 2011 (UTC) Well here's my take on the logo (basically mimicing As If's.): If you would rather have the part behind "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" I will gladly remove it. Although instead of using the Birth by Sleep pattern and just updating the symbols why don't we just use the pattern already supplied by Square Enix? I have this...

Chitalian8 Say... — Mother and Father call me Joshua. I guess you can call me Joshua, too... Since you're my dear, dear partner. I don't see how this is my fault. You're the one who refuses to call me Pink. — 15:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC) The only problem I have with yours, Erry, is that the black borders in-between the boxes are a little thick. Otherwise, it looks good.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 15:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC) I agree with Chitalian; the black borders separating the three images are a tad thick, but just a TAD! As for that symbols image provided by Square, YES, YES, YES!!!

Erry - Ragnarok de Dies Irae. TALK - Nascent Requiem ~ 15:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC) So something like this?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 15:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC) Looks just fine to me.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! I like it, except why does the Komori Bat look kinda squashed? It looks like you shrunk it horizontally.

Erry - Wretched SeeD TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 18:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC) Because if I placed it and scaled it down (normally), it would look too distorted (probably from the camera angle). So I sized it down horizontally so as to look more round.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Looks like you're prepared." "What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 22:08, 10 October 2011 (UTC) I come back from oblivion only to learn I'm probably gonna have to rebuild Roundedblue. Eh, I'll probably enjoy it. I like the art column logos, especially the most recent one posted.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Okay, I'm liking Erry's version, except for a few small details: I still feel like Sora's face should be filling his column, and it feels like he (or Riku) should be facing the opposite way, to keep the momentum of the image balanced.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! What Lego said, and also would you mind making a version where Way to the Dawn doesn't continue in the second panel? I understand why it was done, but I feel like it looks kinda weird having it behind the two Dream Eaters.

Erry - Wretched SeeD TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 09:36, 14 October 2011 (UTC) Here's the final revision of the logo: Along with the final revision of the logo, I have an idea for what we can use for the various portals we'll use. I was thinking we could have a top logo like this: With each portal having a differing color, I used red as an example. My colors list would go like this: Characters: Yellow Worlds: Blue Enemies: Black Weapons: Silver/Grey Abilities: Red Items and Armor: Green Merchandise: Purple (Not magenta, that'd clash with the normal logo)

Might I recommend weapons as orange, while adding a "Games" portal, which links to all of the games/ remakes (as gray)? But, yeah, I lDike that idea. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 20:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! Alright, I made one FINAL revision to the logo... And yes, I definitely like the idea of having the categories labeled like that. Also, another idea: I really like the Metroid Wiki's idea of having a banner with all the main games in it at the top of the main page. Could we possibly do something like that, only with the multicolored hearts we use in the "Game" template?

Erry - Ragnarok de Dies Irae. TALK - Nascent Requiem ~ 07:13, 15 October 2011 (UTC) I love that idea of having the hearts on top in a template like that. However I think with that we would be able to use the "talkbox" images, for the portals. Like Characters would have "Disney Characters", "Final Fantasy Characters" "The World Ends With You Characters" "Kingdom Hearts Characters" with 3/2 characters "popping out" of the talkbox image. While with Keyblades we'd have "Kingdom Hearts Keyblades" "Kingdom Hearts II Keyblades", etc. Would make it look a lot more like a portal.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! The Keyhole just updated their main page (and forgot to remove their old one- scroll down to see what I mean), and it looks like we won't be able to use my heart idea anymore. I still would like for there to be something like that on our main page, though- maybe we should do something like this?

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 22:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC) I like Erry's idea of the talk bubble images for the portals, but my idea would be to just have something very defining for each portal category, e.g. the Kingdom Key for Weapons, a Shadow for Enemies, a Potion for Items and Armor.

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - I might get my head bitten off for this, but I think well-done fanart or omake-type stuff would be best for the category portals, instead of just using existing images. Like, a Mandelbrot formed from Keyblades for weapons (or simply a Keyblade, Shield, and Staff arranged next to each other), Sora with a Potion for items, a Shadow, Creeper, and Flood for enemies (doing something?)...stuff like that. I don't know, it's just an idea, but I think it might be good to add some personality to the main page.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! Wow. I must say, you are the last person I'd expect to suggest that. Unfortunately I can't help you with the fractal, but I can try to do something like that. Let's see... EDIT 00:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC): Actually, I was thinking: for the games, why not do a timeline like the one in Birth by Sleep's Trinity Archives? It could go like this: BBS-BBSFM-KH-KHFM-COM-RE:COM-358-KHII-KHIIFM-KHC-KHREC-KH3D EDIT 00:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC): How's this for the Characters section?

Yes to all of the above. This is shaping up to be a pretty good main page. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 00:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

How's this? KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 03:36, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! That looks great, except for two things: Some of the dots are very hard to see and should be made brighter. The entire timeline (in my opinion) should be horizontal. Great job!

I don't have the coding skill to be able to make it horizontal (the same reason why the remakes aren't next to the originals), but if anyone wishes to try, I'll be gracious. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 03:47, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 04:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC) The coded heart looks crooked on my computer. T_I and I noticed that zooming in and out puts it in and out of line. T_I says it looks straight when he's at 100% zoom, while on my 100% zoom, the coded heart is crooked. Did you make the coded heart picture somehow different than the other hearts, T_I?

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - {{{time}}} Yeah, I'm having the same problem as Chitalian's. Also, maybe we should make the dotted bar on the left a little bit bigger? And possibly, the dots are filled with symbols related to the game, in a similar fashion to the Days, BbS, and 3D wallpapers (like a Heart, Crown, and Heartless symbol for KH). I also prefer to see the timeline in horizontal. Other than that, awesome job you guys! Sorry I couldn't help more ;-;

Erry - Fight and Away TALK - It is a massive shit taken on the display and functionality of the site purely to draw in more advertising cash. ~ 13:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Honestly, about the other wiki using our idea, I think they just came here and read that and then proceeded to use it because it's JUST fishy when we were talking about it and now their main page looks like Metroid's. Anyways, that's besides the point. Now, as for T_I's hearts idea, I think that would work a lot better within a horizontal/vertical rounded box underneath/beside the main box. However I still think we should to stick to the (WIP) Rounded box for portal pages. It sort of fits there better.

Dark-EnigmaXIII - Ones born of the heart and darkness, devoids of heart... TALK - Those who ravage all worlds and bring desolation... 13:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Nope, Erry. We had that idea in the table with Soxra for over 4 weeks, and I have our conversation logged if you need any proof. Sorry if we bursted your bubble with the change. We just changed it yesterday because Soxra was free to work. And I only knew about this when The_Inexistent told me on the IRC after the change was done. Nevertheless, I'll give the logs if you desire. That's all I wanted to say.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! Okay, this is the final draft: And Erry, there's some drop shadow missing in certain areas of the top of the timeline. Other than that (and the misaligned remake hearts) it looks good.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. As if!, this draft of the logo is perfect. As for your character portal image... it almost seems like the characters are too big, meanwhile I can barely read the word "characters" at all.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Looks like you're prepared." "What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 23:01, 16 October 2011 (UTC) And here is the 3D skin for RB. Feel free to implement it for yourselves.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 14:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC) It looks amazing Silversey, thanks a lot :D Also, maybe we should change the banner, or will it be too redundant?

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! I like the new look, with only two small questions (for everyone to answer): Should we replace Sora, Riku, and Kairi with the new renders of Sora and Riku in order to match the Kingdom Hearts 3D theme? If not, Sora's render needs to be updated, as it has a large amount of white space around it. I think Erry uploaded a new version that took care of that problem. Should we add the Dream Eater icons to the mix of symbols in the main banner?

17master— "Hi, I'm the world famous talking Emerald Box!" And I like to eat HUMAN cupcakes. — 10:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC) Yeah, regarding Sora's render, can't we get one from the official website or something? Because, in comparison to Kairi and Riku's, the quality is horrible...

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Hmph. You're obnoxious." "I know I won't forget you. Believe me, I try all the time." — 00:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC) Thanks, guys! Glad to see I'm appreciated :D But yeah, both of Asif's points should be addressed, but I didn't make the banner, so Erry or TNE are the ones to contact about that.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! I updated the banner- copy/paste this to see it. Thoughts? EDIT 20:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC): We need to get started on this again if we want to complete it. I can do all the images and headers but I need the approval of the header first. So, what does everyone think?

Erry - Problem? TALK - U Mad? ~ 10:25, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Can I just make something clear? I'll be working on the header. As if! can work on the logo if he so pleases, but I've reserved the header... that's all I need to say.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! Alright, opinions about the new look... I am redoing the text part of the logo. Sharpening it created artifacts in the image, which I am just tired of staring at. So, yeah. I understand wanting Sora and Riku to fit on the banner... but squashing them vertically just looks bad. Also, Riku's head is cut off too much at the top. I just wish Sora and Riku were a tiny bit bigger. Is there any way you could resize them? Also, did you edit Sora's image, because his hair looks darker here than in the source image. Why is the Toolbox header still off-center? Can we fix that? We still need to update the main page and make everything pink. I can handle the SEIWA logo; who will do everything else? That's all I can see for now.

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - Organization wise, I've incorporated some ideas at User:KrytenKoro/Main Page. The OffSt template would need to be redone from Digimon links to KH links, and the dimensions of it as well, but I think it would be a good idea to link to all of our affiliates and official sites in a nice little box like that. Also, I axed a few features that seemed both redundant and...fairly useless, at this point, and I merged all the Featured stuff into one box. I would really appreciate if someone who isn't fashion-blind like me could fiddle with all this to make it look pretty...also, a discussion on whether that approach to the main page works would be cool, too.

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Well, after walking around in circles for months, I finally made an attempt at this, and I must say that it went much better than I thought it would. I combined elements from my design, Kryten's, Erry's, the suggestions, and, of course, the original, into what I think is a very functional, agreeable, and aesthetically pleasing design. I used Erry's epic images, Kryten's condensing (somewhat), and my randomized expansion thing. I evened out both sides of the page, emphasized our content that leads to editing and exploring, and added the portals. If we work relatively hard, and work out the kinks and whatever else we don't like about the prototype, we could easily have a new main page for the new year.

If that is to happen, someone will have to:

• Make the portal images, and trim a bit off of the top of the welcome image.
• Make the portals (I can do this if I'm given a go).
• Remake the quote template (I can also do this, however, I'll have to know soon, because I have stuff to do for the rest of the week).
• The SEIWA image needs to be recolored.
• My randomized expansion template needs to be expanded... I can do most of that, and it doesn't need to be done immediatly, either. It can be consistently added to.

Please, respond as soon as you can. I think a new main page for a new year would be pretty symbolic. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 04:39, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - Thoughts: The lead image is way too fucking large. Even with the browser maximized, you really can't see anything else on the page. Honestly, it shouldn't be much larger than the site logo. At the bare minimum, you should be able to say the bulk of the categories when you first load the page. First and foremost, the "main body with small side-column" look has to die. That was forced on everyone by wikia way in the past, and it does us no good to stay committed to that when there is so much more pleasing ways to organize the page. The code for "Votes for Featured Articles / Past Featured Articles" needs to be fixed so that it displays on one line. It might be simpler to simply label them as "Past featured" and "Vote!". The portal images should be samples of actual related content, not just words. Honestly, if we have any good sketchers still active, it would be good to have some omake-style art to fit in there. Like, for enemies we have a little Shadow nomming on a heart. Suggestions: Do we really need the spoiler notice? The sitemap in the lead should be combined with the Traverse Town, Helping Out, and SEIWA within an OffSt-type template. It's all the same kind of stuff, and it clogs up the page and is not intuitively placed. The OffSt template should have a "Wiki Map", "Official Sites", and "Affiliates" tab. Of "Helping Out", I really think only the "create an article" box is worth keeping, and it should be placed within the wiki map tab along with Traverse Town. If we're not using Quote of the moment, than "Did you know" should take its place, and the Featured User should be combined with it in a main "featured content" box. Throwing featured user all the way at the end there is not intuitive, and it diminishes the attention to that section. All of this stuff is basically "look at our shit!", so it should be placed together. "Can you expand this article" should be fairly small, and next to Mirage Arena. I would place them both at the bottom of the page (which would be trimmed of a lot of the fluff. The Trinity Archives box absolutely doesn't need to be that large. Using the News template I added would honestly work much, much better, and it should go with the Mirage Arena and "can you help". The timeline is basically a directory, and doesn't need to be charted as such. Honestly, a small and quick vertical list of the games in chronological order would work. Also, the FMs aren't "link-stories", so they should be on the same line as the main game. Otherwise, it looks pretty good. The main thing is that we need to just get out of "designing to wikia's old requirements" and do what makes the most sense.

I've made some modifications (I'll leave the image resizing to Erry)... if we can actually gather enough content for "On this day", we can throw into the top of the Trinity Archives later. I also couldn't get the games to align on the timeline. When I originally had it vertical, I could easily align them... now, however, I have no idea. And if someone would like to improve the tabs at the bottom, I would appreciate it, because tabs aren't my strongest area. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 18:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Can I please get an example of "omake-style art"? Because I'm not getting anything from googling "omake". I made this and I doubt it's omake-style art. Anyways, I fixed the OffSt template, did a little retouching to the Roundedblue theme that needs replacing on Mediawiki: namespace (any chance someone can get access to that who's not admin?) and am waiting on what to do on this situation of the portals. Ay, dios mio! I might be late tomorrow. - Erry 23:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

The bottom part of this would count. Or this. Basically, a mini-scene."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 06:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll go consult TNE about that, she could probably draw much better than me. Ay, dios mio! I might be late tomorrow. - Erry 08:20, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

So, any complaints about the logo? I love the way the skin looks, but being nit-picky there are 2 tiny issues I see:

1. "Toolbox" is still off-center.
2. Why do I feel like Sora's image is a little bit dark?
3. Can someone please edit the main skin to make broken links red?

Yeah, that's all. -- AS IF! 15:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Using my custom css will fix those broken links, however that's because I was working on it to better fit my css, but that'll all be fixed by the time someone changes it in the Mediawiki namespace. Sora's image is a little bit dark because of the black gradient overlaying to make a smooth transition from patterned/colored to black. Toolbox is not off-center, you've just not cleared your cache. Ay, dios mio! I might be late tomorrow. - Erry 16:26, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, can you make the pink for the tabs a little lighter. Because it's really hard to read them. -- AS IF! 16:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll just make it white to fit better with the rest of the theme. Ay, dios mio! I might be late tomorrow. - Erry 17:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)