Talk:Symbols in the Kingdom Hearts series

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Should it be "of" or "in"?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, would it perhaps be more legible if the "additional character" and "additional world" symbols were handled in a table?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I can't answer the first question, I just used the title suggestion you made some hours ago^^. A table has its pros but it would ruin or at least supersede the text. How would you arrange the table? --ShardofTruth 21:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I personally find "in" has better sound appeal, but both technically work. I would say yes to the table, but if it supersedes the text as Shard stated, then by all means, leave the page as-is. - Eternal Nothingness XIII

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I would suggest making it a transparent table, no lines and no background. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The table looks good, now to do it for the characters."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 10:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Mark of Mastery

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Where is it said that those symbols represent the Mark of Mastery, especially since Terra and Ventus where it despite not being masters, and Aqua wore hers long before her promotion, not to mention Xehanort not wearing one, despite being a master

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 22:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC) With the latest Normua interview regarding the story of KH3D I assumed that there is always a qualification test before the Mark of Mastery exam which is rewarded with the mark. But that may not be true. It was "Keyblade Master Symbol" before, which is also incorrect in Terra's and Ventus's case. The Ultimania calls it Terra's mark which can't be the real name either.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I always saw it as Eraqus' symbol seeing as only he and his apprentices are ever seen with it, as well as it being the keychain token on his keyblade, not to mention the fact that Ventus didn't start wearing it until he started being taught by Eraqus

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 20:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC) True but I think there is still more too it. Why did Xemnas copy the symbol to get the Nobody emblem and why is the Room of Sleep decorated with it? Anyway, I still think you're right. Maybe we should change the name to "Terra's mark" (because we have a quote for it), "Eraqus' symbol" is plausible but still another speculation.

Heartless emblem

Okay, chronologically the emblem first appears on the x-blade, and kind of on Vanitas's chest; unless it appears on Hollow Bastion in BbS (can someone check, please). We know that the Organization emblem is from Terra's memories of the Mark of Mastery emblem, so without speculation we can at the very least say that the Heartless emblem is derived from the x-blade Keychain.

Also, I think Roxas's Nobody-thorn cross should be part of the Nobody emblem section, since those thorns are used throughout the various Nobodies and Organization weapons."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think a black heart with a red outline makes it a heartless emblem. It's got the color-scheme, sure, but that's about it, same goes for vanitas--ShadowsTwilight 14:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The x-blade Keychain is the "Heartless emblem" without the surrounding thorns and the bottom fleur-de-lis. It's pretty clearly a linked symbol, and chronologically, it appears long before the Heartless emblem."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe you're right Kryten the heart in the keychain is an "incomplete" Heartless emblem but it is highly doubtful that the heartless emblem is based on it considering that neither Master Xehanort nor Terra even got the chance to see it as it was destroyed a short while after its creation Xabryn