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DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 09:05, January 1, 2011 (UTC) Thanks to all of the voters and team involved in The Keyblade War; without all of your participation and maintenance, this could not have been the huge success it was. Just like with last year's year end celebratory event, feedback is in order! We want to know everything from everyone. Knowing what you thought about this year's event helps us plan later ones in the future--however, we definitely will get more involved with the community in selecting an event next time, since that was a definite issue with some users who feared this would compete with a similar event going on in the Mirage Arena. Basically, tell us what you thought about it, how everything was ran, how votes and comments were mandated, how characters moved up, and much, much more... please, of course. Here are some basic questions if you don't know what to write: Was The Keyblade War still in balance with actual wiki work; did it possibly distract from other issues, such as Wikia imposing Oasis on us? Was not allowing anons and not having any rules on the comments okay? How could a tournament akin to this one be improved if it was to be repeated? How was the progression of the combatants? Were there notable issues you saw in the voting (besides the Aqua thing that I'm sure is just bound to be said)? What were some of your favorite things about TKW? What were some of your least favorite or disliked things about TKW? What else would you enjoy doing for a year ending event? How could the community have been more involved in planning this event that would have resulted in a better turnout and more users satisfied? Please do not feel limited by these questions; these are just to get you thinking. We want to know everything you have to say, so please do tell us everything, not just answers to the bulleted questions above. Thanks again guys, have a happy new year! May the wall o' texts begin... seriously, I want to see wall o' texts. They please me.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? To get each point: Wile edits to TKW certainly spammed the Recent Changes sometimes, I don't think it distracted from too much; most people got their votes out of the way quite quickly. As for distracting from the move, I could see how that would be possible, but there were other things interfering with that as well (some of which still are, like collecting information for the revote). While anons are certainly welcome to contribute, TKW is a communtity event. Anons aren't part of our actual community, and it isn't hard at all to just sign up. Allowing any signed-in user to vote seems like a decent compromise to me. While there were a few votes that were less than pleasant, I wholly support letting people votes without restrictions. I'm actually deeply impressed by how well the community did at being civil for the most part. We may want to look into doing away with that sentence limit in the Mirage Arena, since it didn't seem to affect TKW that much (but that's a subject for another Forum/Talk page). I thought it was handled very well, though there should have been a slightly longwr line-of-succession for setting up the matches. Kind of a backup plan in case the organizers were out-of-commision. Would have averted the delays. Can't complain with a randomizer, I thought the match-ups were done well, and the progression worked the way a tournament should. I could have done with less of the "nice tits" or other sexual votes in general, but I still think it's better to let people vote how they want. If I have a problem with the vote, I'll verbally destory you in the comments, that's how America works! Get back to that. Get back to that. Get back to that. Mmm... I didn't really have a problem with the way it was orgnized this time (I mean, haveing everyone in on it is like planning your own surprise party), but that was a bit of a fauz pas with the clash with the MA's Joint Struggle. The only way to improve it I can think of is kind of like the staff elections were held; Have thecommunity give ideas, and then let the organizers select from those. Preferably without numbered votes; just have the list of ideas and a normal comments section for feedback. That way it won't be instatly obvious what the community wants (i.e. SURPRISE!, the entire point of the event). Another failsafe against predictability could be that, like the elections, the organizers choose from the top, say three, most popular. All in all, I really enjoyed this, and I think it was better as a community event than Namine's Draw-off (don't get me wrong, I loved Naime's Draw-off), since it literally brought the whole community in, not just the artists.

SilverCrono *trollface* — Problem? FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-— 09:42, January 1, 2011 (UTC) F*CKING EDIT CONFLICT- GODDAMIT, LAPIS - Whoo, Keyblade War. Crono's not good with walls o' text, so let me work on it.. Go ahead, get some popcorn. I'll wait. ... Back? Cool. So, yeah. The Keyblade War was great. I think it was a well-handled, amusing, awesome celebration for the end of 2010 and the dawn of 2011. About those topics... Yes, the Keyblade War did indeed distract us. Honestly, I think if it weren't for TKW, we would have moved and had all this SEIWA stuff set up already. It's okay though, I've heard that we're just one step away from moving. Not allowing anons was fine. That's how we roll in the MA, so I think it went fine. I notice a lot of people made accounts when TKW started... looks like they figured out they could still vote. ^^' Honestly, I don't think another Keyblade War should be for a while. Too much of an awesome thing makes it.. well, less awesome. Like the Final Fantasy Wiki from which TKW was ripped off inspired, we should wait 2, maybe 3 years until the next one. Hopefully by then the next Kingdom Hearts will have new characters to compete :) Whoo, voting issues. Well, one big thing was the images and sigs, but that was fixed with the new policy. I guess I kinda got irritated by un-signed votes or votes without links, but it was mostly cool. I know lots of people bitched about getting votes for "sexy" (and they will bitch here, too). Seriously, it's just a website about a video game. Get over yourselves. What I didn't like about TKW... Well, in the beginning, I didn't vote as much as I could have, honestly because of all the n00bs. New users popped up by the hundreds and voted. It was as easy to get an edit conflict as it is to get an STD in a stripper orgy over there. Inappropriate analogy aside, it got better near the end, in which I started to vote. Not sure how, but that problem kind of solved itself. The sockpuppet fiasco was irritating, though; I wanted Saix to get further. F*cking cheaters. Another year-end event.. Hm, now this is a biggie. Maybe a user popularity contest..? Or a bunch of users can take pictures of themselves, or even videotape clips of holiday greetings, and we could mash them all together into one huge holiday slideshow/short film. That'd be cool. I don't think there is much more that could be done to make TKW any more awesome. Seriously, it was awesome nuggets. Good job, Doorsey/everyone-who-worked-on-it-but-whose-names-I-don't-remember-at-this-moment. Biscuit. ... Give me that popcorn. I like butter.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 10:06, January 1, 2011 (UTC) Okay, I'm going to give my own feedback. Weren't expecting that, now were you? I think that Oasis was such a shock we couldn't help from noticing it, and TKW probably didn't have a significant impact on it. However, at the same time, our Re:coded coverage came a bit late and slowly, which may have been a result of this. I am glad we did not allow anons, but at the same time was disturbed that so many new users made accounts only to participate in this; perhaps we could create a way to help those users find something constructive to do on the wiki next time? Also, a similar issue for me was the raging that went on in the Battle Observatories at times. I really did not enjoy seeing users posting walls of text complaining about losses and unfair reasons for votes. I'm against censoring messages in a social event like this, but seriously. I even added be civil to the rules. I liked the progression, worked perfectly, and a randomizer made everything run smoothly. If this was to be repeated, my concern would be grouping the characters again, in case new characters are not so easy to simply group by game. Thirty-two characters from one game can be surprisingly limiting! I particularly enjoyed that TKW was a long event that spanned over two and a half months and involved the entire community; like Lapis said, this was more community-friendly than the fanart contest. The only thing I did not like was the difficulty in maintenance. I was uploading brackets by myself for most of the time, and it would have been great if others users could be there for backup more easily, or if we could work more as a team. Oh, another thing I liked: the artwork. Maggosh and KingdomKeyDarkside, you guys are truly awesome for your work and images, I cannot thank you enough. As for future year-end events, I do not think we should repeat this next year, as we probably will not have many more new characters, and Aqua will claim another crown. Also, we want to have some variety. I like Crono's suggestion, but I'm not sure how involved the community could be with that in comparison to the fanart contest and TKW. Lastly, the true winner here is Room Core, who showed up in the destroyed Badlands, petrified Aqua, and easily became the true winner of the Keyblade War. Congratulations, Room Core, you deserve it!

Soxra - Behold! For my very existence refutes the will of the gods! I am a will unto my own, a power that shakes the very foundation of creation! Talk to me! - Soxxeh 10:26am, January 1, 2011 (UTC) I do agree that the anons registering to vote was just... meh... but, yeah. It was kind of an implied covenant to the entire thing. I also think that too much raging went in the Observatories. It just got out of hand. But TKW was a BLAST! It was so much fun just to watch the characters fight for their futures. I honestly enjoyed every minute of it! So here's my list of pros: Super fun. Great idea, the character battle is one that shall never get old. Though a couple deadlines were missed, it was generally well-managed and the sockpuppeting was dealt with maturely and logically. It was well-advertised throughout the Wiki and had great user participation. Cons: Anons just hopping in for their say and leaving. Sockpuppeting, too. Raging in the Observatories. There wasn't a whole lot to do from Saturday-Thursday. Not sure how this could be overcome, if at all. There will never be any end-of-the-year this awesome again. And now for Door's questions: Was The Keyblade War still in balance with actual wiki work; did it possibly distract from other issues, such as Wikia imposing Oasis on us? Yes, it was quite distracting. I think a lot of attention was diverted away from the Revote (which still remains inactive, and must be REACTIVATED!) and kind of put a damper on the community's motivation to get movin' on. It did balance with the Wiki's general editing though. Was not allowing anons and not having any rules on the comments okay? Yes, no, respectively. How could a tournament akin to this one be improved if it was to be repeated? Ehh... new characters? Or, maybe not characters at all, worlds? Are there enough? Probably not. Actually, adding some of the Heartless (and the characters who didn't make the cut) and Nobodies and Unversed.... would have been neat to see how they ranked up against the "humanoids". How was the progression of the combatants? Not sure how to answer this one really. I didn't like who got to the end and why, but I'm not sure if that's personal opinion or what. Actually, I think mixing the games would have been great. I know they got merged eventually, but I think equal representation among all combatants would have been great. Were there notable issues you saw in the voting (besides the Aqua thing that I'm sure is just bound to be said)? The Aqua thi—Oh. Um... No, not really. I didn't like a lot of the reasons that were put up. I know we didn't impose any restrictions on the voting reasons (which is probably good) but this DID irk me. What were some of your favorite things about TKW? See Pros, above. What were some of your least favorite or disliked things about TKW? See Cons, above. What else would you enjoy doing for a year ending event? I'll get back to you in July. I definitely can't think of anything right now. How could the community have been more involved in planning this event that would have resulted in a better turnout and more users satisfied? If the rules were put forth in September so that they could be reviewed by the community, that would have been good. Though, in all honesty, I'm not sure we would have seen the issues that developed coming. Thanks to all who worked so hard to set it up!

Xalxe Talk! — "Surely you must've known this was going to happen." I mean, I left you a note and everything. Answering questions bores me, so I'm just gonna say a few things. First off, I'm one of the anons who registered because of this; feel free to throw rotten fruit. However, I'd been around reading for a while, and I'll still be around (most likely on the new one though). Yes, the "OMG AQUA IS SEXI" votes sucked, but that was to be expected as much as "MANSEX" and other idiotic votes; people can vote how they want, and there's really nothing you could do about that. In terms of the flame wars in the comments, quite frankly, I just avoided those sections by habit, so I didn't see an issue. Great job in planning by all the admins/mods/really awesome people; thanks for an enjoyable event!

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - {{{time}}} I'm tired and I'm no good at long stuff/speech, so... here we go. Good stuff: It was fun, exciting, and it attracted a number of new contributors to this wiki Bad stuff: I can't think of anything really. It's just that I don't know that if the ones in charge of the event double checked the voting or not, but maybe not since I heard that Tidus is supposed to have passed a certain match although I can't remember which. besides all that, we should held this event or something similar this year (2011). Great thanks to everyone who read this message!

Chitalian8 Goal! — I'm the one and only ace here! I can score even in the dark! — 15:14, January 1, 2011 (UTC) I agree with the rest, a very fun and well-handled event, and I'm satisfied with the turnout and the outcome. I'm also dissapointed that we drew so many new users that just voted here. None of these users did much work on the mainspace, and some filled up the RC with talk page edits. I agree to doing this again, but definitely not in 2011.

I am also a new user because of TKBW(i would edit the mainspace, but it will not let me on this account for some reason). It should have been explained better on how to vote, because me, and a couple of my cousins couldn't figure out how to vote, and Aqua won against Vanitas by only 3 votes, so if we had know how to vote then, it may have been a different outcome of TKBW.--Laurxafinal 18:23, January 1, 2011 (UTC)