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== Keyblade in Reverse ==
== Keyblade in Reverse ==

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Is that a picture of Twilight Thorn in Traverse Town? I think this game will be awesome! Who will voice the younger Sora, though?

we have no clue who will yes that is a nobody.--ZACH 03:23, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

In recent games, like Re: Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days, Osment has continued to voice younger Sora, despite his older voice. Whether this will carry over or not has yet to be seen. So, at the moment, I think that Osment will continue to voice Sora, but it's still too early to tell. Tamroc7 03:28, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


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LapisScarab - Xemnas (card).png You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? Nobody.png
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Interdiction KHD.png Please keep all discussion not pertaining to the article itself off the talk page. Other topics should be handled on forums.

Square Enix announces a new project in the Kingdom Hearts series, Kingdom Hearts 3D exclusively for Nintendo 3DS

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LOS ANGELES (June 15, 2010) — Square Enix Co., Ltd. (SQUARE ENIX) announced today KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title) for Nintendo 3DS™.


With a colorful cast of characters appearing in the Disney worlds in 3D, players can delve into a lifelike story and world in KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title). Get to better know all the familiar and beloved characters through this title.


Additional details will be announced at a later date.


About KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title)

Title: KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title) Platform: Nintendo 3DS Genre: RPG Release date: TBD Suggested Retail Price: TBD ESRB: RP (Rating Pending) Copyright: © Disney. Developed by SQUARE ENIX


Just a question, If it's for the 3ds (which I've never heard of) would it work on a normal DS as well? --173.64.12.25 22:11, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


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Axel Talk with me! — "Got it memorized?"

Roxas! —22:17, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody.png Well, the new 3DS (March-April 2011) Is specially designed to make 3D images without glasses. And I bet that the game will be made for that specific format so that it can be 3D without anything. So, I believe that it will not work on a regular DS. (But, that's my opinion & research...)

i'm hoping that it will be playable on the normal ds, it just wont have the 3d effects to it. or maybe they'll make two versions of the game, but considering this game is being made for the 3ds it probably won't.--Soul reaper magnum 09:14, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


i hope that's how it is, and i think that the 3d effects being optional is a great idea. especially for people like me that don't like 3d effects in games.--Soul reaper magnum 03:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

The 3DS is entirely different hardware. It's not just the 3D effects that separate it from the DS. The game won't be playable on the (soon to be outdated) DS. 98.245.249.137 05:53, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sidebar

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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 18:13, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
TerraCharm.pngShouldn't we take the time to add this to the sidebar? It would either apply to the Main Series or Remakes and Other Titles tab. I'd also like to mention, while we're on the subject of sidebars, the addition of Master Xehanort and Vanitas to the antagonists tab, and Master Eraqus to the protagonists tab. That will be all.

Unlock

Can someone unlock the page for a minute or two? I need to make a small edit.--NinjaSheik 18:26, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. The page should be locked only to IP's (it's times like this I wish you could select a group of regular users to be allowed editing rights when something's sysop-only). There are a few tweaks and additions to the article I'd like to make, as well. - EternalNothingnessXIII 18:44, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I know its protect so people don't speculate and stuff, but I won't take long. It's just a very tiny edit.--NinjaSheik 18:57, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

All I wanted to do was add a list of characters confirmed to appear, and a descripition of the trailer based on how IGN described it. - EternalNothingnessXIII 19:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
  1. If a page is locked due to constant edit warring, you're supposed to present your edit on the talk page so that the admin can add it, not ask for it to be unlocked and relocked several times. Not yelling, or anything, but that's the accepted way to do it. Could you please present your edits?
  2. There aren't any confirmed characters yet, are there? We just have a short trailer, that shows Sora and Riku. I think they could always remove that at any time, considering they had the Awakening and Deep Jungle in the CoM promotional materials, Great Crest in the KH2 trailers, Pinocchio's world and servant Nobodies in Days, etc... It's way to early in the development process to be claiming we have any confirmed info.Glorious CHAOS! 21:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Aah!

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One-Winged Angel "The things you want to say the most are the things you fight yourself the hardest not to say."

TALK - Do you think you can erase your past? - 15:24 June 16, 2010

First Re:Coded was announced for NA/EU only and on DS, now it's announced for Japan also and will be on 3DS! Why does Squenix keep changing everything!?


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ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person
TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vanitas Sprite KHBBS.pngRE: coded is not the same as 3D. two totally different games.


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Kingdom Hearts Kairi Talk! —You're home.

Wherever you go, I'm always with you. — 04:50, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee OMG new kingdom hearts! thats awesome!! hey does any one else think they should hire out consoles for people who don't have the required console to play a particular game?

Keyblade in Reverse

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LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids?
TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you.
Vsymbol.png It's iffy... but can anyone else kind of see that... the way Sora's handling his Keyblade... it's in reverse? It might just be the wierd angle of the image..


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CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - What are you talking about? I am me! Nobody else!

Sora, you're lucky. Looks like my summer vacation is ... over. — 21:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png It's probably either a glitch or Squeenix put it in just for show. I think they did that before. In one of the pictures of Data Sora from Coded, he posed with his keyblade in reverse on his shoulder. OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png

Kingdom Hearts 3DS is not RE:Coded

In case you guys may be confused, Kingdom Hearts on the 3DS is not a 3d version of RE:Coded. It is an entirely different game (which is Awesome!) If you want some proof you can follow this link....

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Original Title

Square Enix producer Shinji Hashimoto has confirmed that KH3D is an original title, not another rehash. http://www.khinsider.com/latest/kingdom-hearts-3d-at-e3-2010.html

I don't want to take anything from the demo trailer too seriously, but Sora having a dream about Twilight Thorn is pretty out there. After reading the trailer summary, the only missing piece is a description of Sora after he wakes up. Is it still KH1 Sora or is it KH2 Sora? If it's KH1 Sora then I don't know what to think, but if it's KH2 Sora then 3D is probably the sequel to Coded/ Re:coded. It will be the game about the "pieces laying where they fell" and Sora "picking up the pieces" and the "boy who is connected to everyone/thing" and "returning to the Darkness to free those who are crippled" and all of that.--XYZ. 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well here's my opinion, and its only speculation and what I WANT to have happen rather than what the game really may be, but my guess is that this game is like what's going on inside Sora's head while he was spending a year in hibernation after CoM. I don't think that the series is quite ready for the point where Sora is "picking up the pieces where they fell", because he's still in his KH1 clothing and appearance, and if what happens after coded is supposed to come after KHII he would have the older appearance and new clothes right? But it seems like it would make sense that this may be a dream world for Sora because if you think about it, the appearance of the Twilight Thorn might coincide with Roxas fighting the Twilight Thorn in KHII and the fact that its going on with Roxas would explain why its going on in Sora's head. Once again, this is just a guess of mine and no one really has to take it seriously, but I don't want another huge sequel that involves a bunch of Soras falling from the sky and him looking like he did in KH1. I suppose we'll find out soon enough though. Axel's Sentiment 19:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment

If it's because of the fight with Roxas and the Twilight Thorn, then the Twilight Thorn would have to be the final boss, and I don't think they would show us him this early.Glorious CHAOS! 20:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

No I'm not entirely sure of that, although you make a good point, but I'm just making the point that it might show the link between Sora and Roxas. And as for Riku, his story might be the story of what he does while Sora is asleep, or something like that. Axel's Sentiment 21:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment

We've already seen what Riku did while Sora was asleep. And if the "appearance of the Twilight Thorn coincides with Roxas fighting the Twilight Thorn", then it would have to be Sora's final boss, because that was Roxas's second to last day, as I recall.Glorious CHAOS! 00:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if we go by the logic of "if Sora's dream relates to Roxa's actions," then the final boss of the game would have to be Axel, because he is the last enemy faced in Roxas's story. Tamroc7 00:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


Here's more information:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/18/nomura_on_kh_3ds/

Here's the gist of it:

  • Kingdom Hearts 3D's development started with Square Enix hearing the general details of the 3DS system from Nintendo. They wanted to make a quick demo. Nomura already had a general framework for some gameplay systems and a story that he felt would match the 3DS's visual expression. Thus began the Kingdom Hearts 3D project.
  • While the name "Kingdom Hearts 3D" isn't a final name, it does have something to do with the final name. The "3D" in this placeholder title does not stand for "3 Dimension," said Nomura, but is an abbreviation for the game's subtitle.
  • Famitsu noted that while the game's E3 demo shows Sora and Riku as they appear in the first Kingdom Hearts game, they're presented in some situations that would be impossible for the first game. Replied Nomura to this, "This is because it's not a remake, but a completely original game. This time, Sora and Riku are the two main characters. We're currently in the process of selecting new worlds."
  • Nomura said that the story would be something unexpected, something that to a certain extent breaks the developments that have taken place according to fan expectation. However, he did say that Re: Coded, the upcoming DS remake of Coded, would have some hints.

Not very revealing, but I'm pretty sure this is a sequel to Coded. A game about Sora's memories returning while he sleeps in the Memory Pod would be an uh interesting twist, I guess, but that could also be disastrous. Overall, it would be entirely pointless. Not to mention Nomura stated he's picking new worlds. That pretty much rules out a dream game. --XYZ. 02:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Soooooo it's time travel. Apparently Sora is "reconnecting" everything by going back and keeping the bad things from happening.
It does have precedent in the series (Timeless River), and it would fit exactly with "breaks the developments that have taken place", as well as following directly from coded's ending, and explains why there would be new worlds that should be impossible for Sora to have gone to.
I betcha. I betcha.Glorious CHAOS! 03:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

If you recall, before Sora and co. enter the door to Timeless River, Merlin warns them not to succumb to dark influences. I'm pretty sure that meddling with events that already occurred to alter the timeline and course of the KH universe's history is what he meant by dark. And now that you got me started on a total rant, Nomura has suggested that once a Heartless has been destroyed and the Heart returns to Kingdom Hearts, and the matching Nobody fades away, the Heart and Body can reunite in Kingdom Hearts and the complete being can be reborn. Although that has yet to happen, it totally ruins the idea of permanence within the series. And then to add Sora going back in time to alter history would just flat out ruin the series.--XYZ. 03:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

You are completely right. A time-traveling based game would likely be the final nail in the coffin, or at least another huge step downwards.
I still think that's what he's hinting at.Glorious CHAOS! 05:22, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


"'KH3D' will be a title that enters a new step to follow the three games whose production was announced simultaneously, '358/2 Days, Birth by Sleep, and Coded." -Tetsuya Nomura

I rest my case.--XYZ. 01:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

... I betcha KrytenKoro is right. I betcha. --DTN Room Core.png 05:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Logo Trivia

Aside from the "3D Demo" subtitle, the logo's letters are practically identical to Chain of Memories'.--XYZ. 02:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Information

I'm guessing by now everyone saw this. Don't we need to put more information about it? And can someone unlock the page, already?--NinjaSheik 19:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


3D!?!

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No.1xemnas Talk... — Don't I even warrant a hello?

I have identified the scent. It is... Riku.

I am just now hearing about this. is there ACTUALLY going to be a Kingdom Hearts game in 3D?!


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Axel Talk with me! — "Got it memorized?"

Roxas! —17:01, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody.png That's what it says. And the 3Ds is going to be a Ds that will have 3D effects without glasses. I think that that's pretty cool!  :)


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Axel Talk with me! — "He was the only one I liked..."

It's kinda funny... You make me feel the same way...

Nobody.png I wonder though if it can only work on the 3Ds or if they're going to make a version for the normal Ds.

From what Nomura has told us, KH3D will be N3DS exclusive.--ΧƳƵach. 17:06, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo just wants to sell more versions of the Ds, and they apparently want KH3D to be a special game. --File:Axel with chakrams ~ chain of memories.gifAxel Lives On File:Axel-ChOfMem.png

17:10, June 19, 2010 (UTC)



The N3DS will most likely serve as the NDS' successor. The NDS is already the 2nd best selling console in the history of ever, right after PS2, so now try to imagine how well it will sell with 3D effect graphics and all of the features of the different models put together, but mostly with the 3D effect graphics. KH3DS is not a special game, have you read any of Nomura's interviews about it? Well I guess there is only one. What happened was he heard about the magic of the N3DS and threw some material together for a Demo. I doubt Nintendo is complaining about getting one of the better selling franchises onto their system, but Nomura actually went to them about it this time.--ΧƳƵach. 17:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


All of the articles about the N3DS state it as backward compatible with both NDS game and NDSi Ware. This would insinuate the N3DS games beings N3DS exclusive.--ΧƳƵach. 17:22, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

True. I mean, 3D with no special glasses!?!? That's pretty cool. It says that the game will link up the recent KH games:

  1. Coded
  2. 358/2 Days
  3. Birth by Sleep

And that they will also have new worlds in the game, but both Destiny Islands & Traverse Town have been seen. --File:Axel with chakrams ~ chain of memories.gifAxel Lives On File:Axel-ChOfMem.png

17:23, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


The 3DS is a successor to the NDS line just because it have the word DS in it doesnt mean it is a redesign like the DS lite or DSi

crud

it's not fair people without the ds can't play it Khruler 01:00, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Correction, people without the Nintendo 3DS cannot play this and that is everyone because neither the console or game are available.--XYZ. 01:05, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Does NDS and N3DS have a difference? And what the heck is a N3DS? Is it a new Nintendo Console? Or will people make an emulator of N3DS? WingBlade

It's the next line of Nintendo DS, but features full 3D effect graphics without the use of special glasses.--XYZ. 04:05, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

So does this means that KH3D is one of this console's first games? WingBlade

Nobody even knows yet. The console comes out next year, for Pete's sake! サイクス、 月の悪魔のダンス 06:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'm liking the link to Pete on that one. Axel's Sentiment 06:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment

not a remake and new worlds

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Keyhole15 Speak, vermin !I'll kill you for this ! — 15:33, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
in this interview with Tetsuya Nomura it is said that KH3D is conneted to coded birth by sleep and 358/2 day and that their in the process selecting new worlds http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/60/18/nomura_on_kh_3ds/

Already confirmed here, but thanks!--ΧƳƵach. 16:55, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Trailer

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ZexionFan321 - Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?
TALK - I have identified the scent. It is...Riku. — 02:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have a video of the trailer?

No the trailer was shown on the 3DS so people couldn't video it you will have to wait until they show it to everyone

Storyline

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Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 14:02, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png What could this game be about? It doesn't seem to cover the time of Riku's absence, since Sora is in the game. Sora and Riku look like their KH selves, but there are nobodies, as we've seen. Does anyone have ideas?

A sequel to Coded perhaps and more stuff with data sora? Just my guess. Lego3400 14:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


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Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 16:34, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png I think the coded story is all finished, since soras heartless is gone and they figured out the journal's mysteries.

According to an interview with Nomura, KH3D is the next large installment of the series and the game that brings together all of the loose ends of BbS, Days and Coded. If you have seen the endings of all three games you'll know what KH3D is about.--ΧƳƵach. 22:32, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


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Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 22:52, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png I know what all of those ending are. Coded's ending tells Sora who he has to "reconnect" with, Days tells the story of some of the ones he has to reconnect with, and BBS depicts that Sora goes on the mission. But does that explain why Sora and Riku look like their younger selves?

It is a Demo video. It also shows a million Sora's raining down from the sky. Don't take it too literally.--ΧƳƵach. 23:07, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Game might tell what the data DiZ hide in Sora is...--P456 09:12, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Kairi?

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Cyrus Arc Roxas, that's a stick. — 19:22, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
How do we know Kairi is in the game? Although she most likely is, has it been confirmed yet?


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Axel Talk with me! — "Got it memorized?"

Roxas! —19:28, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody.png She is most likely in the game. Riku and Sora have been for sure.


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Cyrus Arc Roxas, that's a stick. — 19:31, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I just read about her in the trailer never mind.

New Famitsu Article

- This game is not a remake, it is a brand new entry in the Kingdom Hearts Series.

- This is the next stage of the franchise after Coded/358/BbS.

- Sora and Riku will be the playable characters in the game, and they will be visiting new worlds.

- There will be various hints relating to this game hidden in Re:Coded.

- There should be more information and announcements at next year's E3.

Pretty skimpy.--ΧƳƵach. 15:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

how

how can this fit into the series the whole story of sora has been explained we just need kh 3 or somethi n else in the futureKhruler 22:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

We'll find out when the game comes out. We barely know anything about it yet.LapisLazuliScarab22:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Stop complaining and just wait for more information. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:52, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

If you have seen the materials in BbS, 358 and/or Coded, you'll understand how much story there is still to be told.--ΧƳƵach. 03:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Nomura has said that KHIII will only be the end of the "Xehanort Saga". The series will continue on after that.LapisLazuliScarab03:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

3D = Free Darkness?

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Rucario - So I see.......
TALK - No, you don't. — 08:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
It seems the most likely title to me. I mean really.

Uh what? I believe it will be something along the lines of Three Doors or Third Door. The door to Kingdom Hearts is known as the Door to Darkness and the Door to Light is what Sora and Riku passed through in order to return to Destiny Islands and the Realm of Light. We have yet to see a Door that leads to the Realm of In Between or to the Realm of Nothingness.--ΧƳƵach. 05:57, July 3, 2010 (UTC)


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Rucario - So I see.......
TALK - No, you don't. — 17:13, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
Still. Three sounds like Free. And the Doors to Light and Darkness also lead to the In-Between and Nothingness, or something like that.

Just because three sounds like free doesn't mean the title will have the word free in it... Also the title doesn't have to be three and something that starts on "D". It could be three "D"'s ... - JTD95 17:18, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Blank Points

This is the game featured in Blank Points, the young Sora and Riku are prototypes i just figured it out the 3 games, Re:coded= remake, can't be Blank Points, KH3= no info and Nomura said KH3 IS the last game in the trio and not Blank Points so this game is it.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 15:47, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Wait, when did Nomura state that KHIII was not Blank Points?

Not that I don't believe you, but I would like proof. Though, if you are right, it would make KH3D a good prologue to KHIII... Tamroc7 00:39, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Creation

I thought i would tell you all that I MADE THIS PAGE! just so you know and your not wondering who made this page--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 19:27, July 15, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

congratulations...?--87.68.153.19 01:56, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

What's your point, Chihuahua? I mean, that's great and all, but... uh... so? --VenCharm.pngLegoAlchemistVenCharm.png 18:26, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

So? If you hadn't done it somebody else would.... - JTD95 18:31, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your work, Chihuahua. We really appreciate it.Glorious CHAOS! 18:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Title

User:One-Winged Angel|10:42 July 20, 2010|3D = 3 Doors ? Door to Light, Door to Darkness, and another door (Door to Nothingness?). What do you guys think?

Pure speculation. unless we get a real title with confirmation from Tetsuya Nomura, the title is not going to be changed.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 18:59, July 20, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

New KH 3D information.

From an interview with Nomura from Dengeki magazine:

  • KH3D was created after Nintendo approached Tetsuya Nomura. Nomura has a unique idea for this game.
  • KH3D will occur in the same timeline as current games.
  • The two main characters will be Sora and Riku. Throughout the game, the two appear to be "alternating", creating a system of two people.
  • This story is full of mystery, and will be beyond expectations. Due to the timeline, players will have to think hard about the idea, as to not *be fooled.
  • The player will realise the scenario in time, but for the meanwhile it will be a mystery twist.
  • Nomura cannot reveal more information at this time.
  • The 3D system will be taken advantage of, but more cannot be said at this time.
  • The theme of the game is "trust".

It's not much, but we can't ask for too much because Re:Coded still has to come out. And it does provide proof that KH3D occurs in the same timeline as current games. So until more information is out, enjoy what we now know. Tamroc7 21:47, July 29, 2010 (UTC)