Talk:Nobody

Bluer says at 01:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC) I've seen the edit war in this page, kupo, and I'm not pleased. Someone please reorganize the Types section because I frankly have no idea how it is actually organized,

Have you ever nocticed that heartless are made from peoples hearts, and nobodies are made from peoples bodies? I bet the unbirths are made from born people. Myself 123 20:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Emotions

I know its said many times throughout KH2 that nobodies have no emotions, but I feel like its an arguable fact. Yen Sid says it, and DiZ says it all the time, but the story seems to be trying to convince you otherwise. Roxas and Axel clearly actually care for eachother, otherwise Axel's actions make no sense. Namine is a Nobody, and yet she cares enough about Sora and Roxas to try to save them. Is it possible that these generalizations are just DiZ being sort of a "racist"?--Zephyrus11 08:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Not racist, but perhaps he was implying that since Nobody's are in actual bodies and souls without hearts, they would not have emotions. Yet sometimes I believe we don't need hearts to have emotion, memories could also trigger emotions. [^_^]/ 08:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's a convertion screw-up. As I recall, it's only in the NA and EU version that it is actually directly stated in the story by charcters that Nobodies do not have emotions at all. In the Jap version, they were merely called "incomplete", an did, to some extent, retain bits and pieces of emotions. At least that was the gist of it, I think. I'll try to find where I read that, just to be sure. --Hecko X 10:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Why hasn't this been added in, then? The article still clearly says Nobodies lack emotions and emotions they do show are used to trick others. Even not considering Axel and his sacrifice, Larxene shows regret and disbelief when she fades and Vexen begs Axel for his life. That's pretty clear fear, and who would Vexen be fooling when Axel is a Nobody as well? Saix goes into a berserk rage when he fights Sora. While there are some examples of Nobodies faking emotions, examples like this seem to show that Nobodies do have some measure of emotions, despite observations of certain characters in the game.

Heh, its very likely that Nomura came up with the emotionless nobodies concept AFTER CoM, so he initially designed them with vibrant personalities. He'll have to find some excuse in 358/2 days that proves that they really were emotionless most of the time. But yeah, so far, he's consistantly claimed that they have no emotions. He claims that things like Vexen begging and stuff are the nobodies becoming so good a pretending they have emotions that they are fooling themselves. XienZo 18:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure he came up with that concept after CoM. After all, Twilight Town, Roxas, the Xemnas/Xehanort/DiZ conundrum, and the concept of Nobodies had already been created. Kingdom Hearts II was clearly pretty far into development by that point. But if you think about it, remember- Nobodies remember their past lives. Therefore, they remember what it was like to have a heart, and feelings, even if they no longer do. Since in Kingdom Hearts, "heart" means something more along the lines of "soul," Nobodies are more like memories of their past lives in a physical form. They aren't pretending to have feelings to trick others- it's so they feel they still have a purpose in life, a coping mechanism to deal with their miserable "non-existence." (Not to push the "racist" angle, but a similar concept is in the book "Invisible Man," in which the main character begins to feel like he doesn't exist, and he strikes out at others to prove his existence to himself.) And who, after their death, wouldn't give anything to return to life? Even without a soul or feelings, they would long to be complete again. That explains their primary goal, AND why they fear death- dying means they can never go back to their old lives. In the end, it's just another term that shouldn't be taken too literally, like the idea of them actually "not existing." Obviously, they "exist," but only on a PHYSICAL plane. They "don't exist" in the sense that they have no metaphysical quality, no soul or "heart" to give them a HUMAN existence.

Playable!

Marluxia and Demyx and these other guys are playabe in Kingdom Hearts 2? I Guess I've Been Missing Out

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! Who put this here? As far as I know, you can't play as anyone other than Sora, Riku, and Mickey without the use of a cheating device. Are you referring to the multiplayer part of 358/2 Days?

Heck, yeah, I guess he's referring to Days. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Disney Characters

I wonder if Claton and/or Scar became Nobodies... Mcoolister

Possible, but i think Clayton had a weak will so he probily became a lesser Nobody, you might have already killed it. As for Scar, i'm not sure about that. Myself 123 18:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Scar probably had a Nobody, yeah. I'm also concerned as to the identities of Organization XIII's Heartless, and whether or not Riku or his replica could have a Nobody, as both were technically consumed by darkness at one point or another. Of course, neither Scar or Clayton were strong enough to be turned into distinctive Nobodies. Just watch their respective movies if you need proof of that. :P

Just a completely random thought

I have a picture of Terra, Ven and Aqua, all together in a row, really cool looking and everything, and I noticed all three of them have a symbol somewhere on their clothes that resembles the Nobody logo, but is right-side up, the heart has a different way of looking and the three points are more spiked. I was shocked when I noticed so I just had to check it and post SOMETHING...

All I have to say now is...thoughts anyone? User:Leiber_Mage

Can you show me?

That's the picture that I mean. The three emblems on their uniforms resemble the nobody logo but upside down. User:Leiber_Mage

Looks more like a spiky Heartless Emblem to me. But at this point, it could mean anything, so for the time being, instead of making random theories, it would be more fruitful to just keep an eye out for official info concerning this issue. Nice job in noticing though. --Hecko X 18:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The symbols are actually hearts -_-Sxoxpxhxixe 18:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, how come Terra's emblem is in a different plance than the others it's also gold instead of silver. Myself 123 23:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Because he wants people to look at his crotch. It's like those guys who wear big golden belt buckles.

Pureblood ?

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I've always wondered, could be there "Pureblood" nobodies ? All the nobodies we've seen so far in the series wore the emblem. It's logically the Organization who put it on them, but how are nobodies without it ? Are the organization members the only nobodies born "naturally", the others being created like the emblem heartless ?

Lemme think... Wait, Dusks and Creepers don't have Emblems on them, do they ? And considering that they are the Nobody equivalents of Pureblood Heartless (Neoshadows and Shadows respectively), methinks they're "Pureblood" in their own right. As for the rest, I can assume they were created. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. They do have the emblem, the Dusk on its head and the Creeper on its "hands".

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} Yeah, they have the emblem... but when you think about it, Dusks and Creepers are the only nobodies who aren't under a "master"... like Roxas has the Samurais, Demyx has the Dancers and Saïx has the Berserkers... also, I was wandering if there were more (emblem) Nobodies, one kind for every Org. member... one type for Vexen, another for Lexaeus, Zexion, Larxene and Marluxia... think they'll be revealed in KH days?

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I don't really think, we haven't seen any lesser nobody in any video or scan.

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} True, but still... I hope... :P

KrytenKoro - Most bears were content to live their lives, mauling and eating one, maybe two humans at most. "Mass-murder," as the bears always said, "is for the sharks." But not Barry. Barry was different. He knew that one day, he would kill ALL of the humans. This is the inspiring, tear-jerking story of one bear and the dream he dared to dream. TALK - Non-human Nobodies are divided into "low-ranking" and "high-ranking", instead of "Pureblood" and "Emblem". Honestly, I always thought that Sorcerers worked much better for Zexion, Tiamat for Xemnas, Spectre for Marluxia, Creeper for Vexen (shield form), Twilight Thorn for Lexaeus (biggest, slamming attacks), and Dusk for Larxene (slinky). There's exactly 13 non-gummi Nobodies, but whatever, Nomura...but hopefully in 358/2 or some version of KH3, the last few Nobodies will be placed. If Tiamat isn't Xemnas' servant, is it a "low-ranking" Nobody?

Tiamat ? Wait a minute : refresh me on that one. Unbirth : Oops ! My bad ! Or what if... there are Purebloods, and Emblem Nobodies, and all of them have actually been inscribed with the Nobody symbol by their masters, Organisation XIII, as a sign of allegiance ? This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne

I think "tiamat" is the big dragon xemnas commands in the final boss

Doc rocco - I'm a bad guy, so you have to through me. Conversazione? -Ten seconds ago you didn't even remember her name! · 00:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC) Well, if you think about the manner in which Nobodies are created, I don't think the Organization has the means to create them; a Heartless needs a heart while a Nobody needs a strong heart, body and soul. I don't think the Organization would be able to replicate the last two, personally, but then again, it is KH. I regardless of that, I think that all Nobodies are Pureblood in that sense.

KrytenKoro - Click TALK - Oh! Sorry. Yeah, Tiamat is generally the name of the ultimate evil dragon in the FF series, and seeing as almost all other Nobodies are named after FF jobs, either that or Bahamut would be a likely name for the thing.

Some thoughts on nobodies

I had a weird thought when Axel said I'm not getting turned into a dusk for this that the orgazation has power to change human nobodies to dusks or a lower class of nobodies.--Firaga44 01:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. ok let me see if i can get my facts straight.Nobodies don't have hearts. Each member of orgazation 13 commands a certain nobody

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NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... That's correct, so far.

i think there is plenty of room for a heartless organization and a new type of enemy thoughts please:

Bro01 - "I'm sane... most of the time!." TALK - "Prepare to get your ass kissed... KICKED, I meant kicked!" if the strong nobodies still have a human appearance, what crates the big ones like the twilight thorn? are they 'animal' nobodies or something?

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I think they're stronger than the common nobodies, but weaker than the human-like ones. To conserve its appearance when being a nobody, a person need to have a very powerful heart. If it's a bit less powerful, the nobody will be strong but not human.