Talk:Soul Eater

I'm under the impression that this should be merged with Way to the Dawn. Thoughts?--N/A

mmm... do we have factual proves that they are the same? Pablo618 02:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, I think I red one comment's link in the Way of The Dawn discussion page saying that Soul Eater changed into TWTTD in KH2. O_o--N/A

I don't remember that :S let's keep it how it is then Pablo618 02:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems possible though, given their physical similarities. --Hecko X 13:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Setup

'Cause this weapon isn't usable in KHI, do we need the KH's weapon box? And because it's not a Keyblade, do we need the Keyblade navigation template? OtO^con^_- 00:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

No on both accounts. --Hecko X 06:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ansem's(KH1) Halberd

In KH1 when you fight (What's his real name?) his weapon is a double bladed version of the soul eater, and could be an evolved form, or two soul eaters bound at the hilt, should that weapon be in this article or have it's own, drasticly short page?

his name is Xehanort's heartless, and yeah its the same thing

This has been discused before. In the credits he is called Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. He IS Xehanort's Heartless, and is called that, however that is what he IS not his Name. IF we used this logic we would have to call Xemnas Xehanort's Nobody. --Evnyofdeath 01:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Growth

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Anyone else notice that soul eater seems to grow with riku?

Tabs

Again, what happened to the tabs ? Strangely, they seemed to work for Kingdom Key D. TNÉ _{En avant Bravo !} 07:32, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

BBS

I removed the passage from the page, since it took two paragraphs to literally say "this is speculation" over and over. This one line seems important, though.Glorious CHAOS! 02:24, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Though later confirmed in one of Nomura's interviews that the scene with The Way to the Dawn in BBS was nothing more than a teaser and is not actually canon to the storyline.

Cleanup

1. How are we going to do the picture? When the infoboxes are fixed up, they will take its place and be using the Days sprite. Do we want to use the current picture somewhere else in the article, or just rely on the sprites?
2. Does anyone have any source for where Riku got the Soul Eater? We used to claim that Maleficent gave it to him, but the game script only has her giving him powers a while after he first uses the weapon, and it's the Heartless-control and Dark Mode suit. I mean, it's a fair assumption, but I don't think we should be outright claiming it without proof.Glorious CHAOS! 20:52, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I would say we utilize the image in a gallery, like "Soul Eater Concept Art" or something. As for the source, there really ISN'T one, at least any official one. Riku didn't just randomly get a sword like that, as Sora got the Keyblade. It was a weapon made of the darkness from either Ansem upon his first encounter in hooded form with Riku, or from Maleficent when he first showed up in Hallow Bastion, as seen in the Manga, for him to weild, hence it is summoned in a cloud of dark energy, hence he only first had it after Maleficent first began to brainwash him. Riku did earn Heartless control from the witch, but it was "ANSEM" who first gave him the Dark Mode suit, not Maleficent. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:01, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well, she gave him something right after Hook is defeated:

Maleficent: Yes, the untapped power that lies within you. Now, child, it’s time you awakened that power and realized your full potential.

And he used the suit in the first battle against him at Hollow Bastion, which I believe was before the Ansem scene.Glorious CHAOS! 21:22, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

But she didn't give it to him. She was merely encouraging Riku to open his heart and surrender it to the dark. He actually wore the suit because the darkness in his heart had consumed him. It says so in the Journal. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, fair enough. The point is, the Soul Eater appears at the Traverse Town meeting, and we don't see Maleficent giving/awakening anything until after Monstro. In COM, it is revealed she gave him a bedroom too, but we never actually have anyone say she made the Soul Eater for him. So, we don't know that Maleficent gave it to him, even if it's reasonable.Glorious CHAOS! 21:37, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly my point. But what do we say? We can't just leave it as "he randomly winds up with a sword"... - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:42, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well, we can, kind of. Something like "Riku obtains the Soul Eater at some point after arriving at Hollow Bastion."Glorious CHAOS! 21:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Ugh... I don't like it. Too general. How about "After losing the Keyblade to Sora via his choice to side with darkness, Riku was instead presented with the Soul Eater. He continued to utilize the blade since his arrival in Hallow Bastion after the destruction of Destiny Islands."

This makes the most sense, to me, at least, as he only has a toy sword on the islands before their destruction, and he has it in Traverse Town, which is after his arrival at Hallow Bastion, where he's first teleported on the Islands. Perfectly illustrated in the Manga. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:58, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

That seems to me to imply that he got it at Destiny Islands as a sort of "dark Kingdom Key", which is a bit more speculation than I think is appropriate.

Could we get another opinion on this?Glorious CHAOS! 22:45, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Opinions not needed. Rephrasing is. Taking what I put, why not tone it down on said "speculation"... Nothing like what you had past said, though, as that was as good as "Mickey is short." True, but very bland to the mind. My version at least gives a bit more OFFICIAL background of the weapon. Besides... only a truly inquisitive non-dense person would think to question that style of writing. Few people, while NOT dense, would think about it that way. This is where an opinion on how to removie speculation from MY version would be needed... - EternalNothingnessXIII 23:17, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Soul Eater in BbS Trailer

I noticed this earlier... check out the Birth By Sleep trailer wherein Ventus falls through the Station of Awakening flooring. It's already been noted that the Kingdom Key is with him, but look to the right of it, Soul Eater is there alongside it.

Hmm, good eye! Never noticed that before. ^^--Xion4ever 16:45, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

why every time someone puts on the page that the Soul eater appears on Ven's awakening the information is removed? --Xabryn 17:30, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

No need to get offensive, remember at the bottom of the page it clearly says "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here."

Secondly, thats a nice addition, but until it's proven, lets leave it out. We need a nice, confirmed, clear screenshot or image. Find that, show it here and it'll be restored.--Xion4ever 17:33, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

One, because there is still disagreement on whether that is Soul Eater, Way to the Dawn, or something else; Two, because if it is actually the Soul Eater, it is obviously story material rather than trivia; Three, because if it is story material, we need to wait until the game is released to figure out what it actually means.

Any information "discovered" within the trailers is largely unusable, due to the inability to make sense of it - it's there to get us excited about the game, not to tell us what the entire plot is. Trailer information should remain within the summary of the trailer on the BBS page, and only information obtained from interviews or articles should be used.Glorious CHAOS! 17:37, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

My intention was not to be offensive, sorry if it seemed. Anyway thanks for answering.--Xabryn 18:45, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Not. A. Keyblade.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Evidence it is a sword: Days refers to Riku's Weapon as a sword, and since Oblivion and Way to Dawn are obviously Keyblades, well, use process of elimination. Riku was envious of Sora for wielding a Keyblade, yet if he was already wielding one, what would he have to be envious of? Also, Nomura said that Soul Eater was a intermediary for the Way to the Dawn, meaning that it used the Soul Eater to become a Keyblade, meaning that before it was Way to the Dawn, it was not a Keyblade, so in that essence you're right, but under that logic we would have to merge Soul Eater and Way to the Dawn. It also shares absolutely no physical attributes with a Keyblade, lacking the teeth, handguard, and keychain