Talk:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

Would anyone be opposed to moving this? "Xehanort's Heartless" is more what he is than one he's called. Maybe what he calls himself, i.e. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness? I'll go ahead and do it if no one objects over the next few days. Scottch 05:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I really think it should be called Xehanort's Heartless. Ansem may be a name he stole and uses, but it's not who he really is. It's what everyone in the game calls him, so why not here? DannyP 18:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Didn't see your reply, so this is late...

Anyway, it's definitely not the only thing he's called in the games, he's called that by a few characters even after it's been made clear who he is, especially at the end of the game. Besides, it's also the name he takes, it just makes more sense to me to call him by a name than an "object description", for lack of a better phrase. He's also called "Ansem" for a full two of the three games, and the first half of the last game (in the sparse times it's mentioned). Although he was originally thought to be Ansem the Wise and that turned out to be untrue, it doesn't change the fact that he identified as "Ansem" still. I guess it sort of comes down to "what's in a name", but I think the use of the name makes it his identity, even if it's based on a lie. Scottch 21:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Ansem, Seeker of Darkness was the name he chose, so that should be what the page is called. it shouldnt be what he is, Sora's page isnt called Kingdom Key weilder, thats what he is not who he is. 1a2b3c 11:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Merger

I have another question. Couldn't we just merge this with the World of Chaos and Guardian? After all, both sections are stubs, and both creatures are never seen without him. Thoughts?

Good idea. It'd be a perfect fit for a battle technique kind of section. DannyP 15:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

abilites

sorry to bother the editors but I think there should be a section called abilites which lists all of "Ansems" named attacks. I know in kh he just grunted but every time he saves up 3 cards in chain of memories we see the name of the slate underneth.

sincerly luis

PS I also reckomend we do this with all other charectors but also file magic underneth abilites (only because very few charectors use spells) this should go with all charectors like tarzans healing herb ability (because it a heal)

That sounds like a very logical idea. I wouldn't mind doing that on various pages! Maybe even describe the attacks! Muhahahaha!

P.S. Your comments don't have to be letters.

P. S. S. Here, you sign using 4 tildes (~) 96.28.108.27 23:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

P. S. S. S. You aren't bothering the editors.

P. S. S. S. S. Would you like me to do a grammer check on your comment? It would make editors flock to your comment more! I really want your suggestion to happen!

This page contridicts itself!

This page can't seem to decide if Xehanort's Heartless looks human because of strong will or a warped Riku. I'm not sure whether to delete one of the theories, show that they're theories, or a third option. Any ideas? 96.28.108.27 23:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Battles

Oath to Order - Aaah! Chainsaw! The great communicator! TALK - OtOcon^_- 21:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC) What to do? This is the character page. Where do I put the boss info? Separate? Apart?

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - {{{time}}} Xehanort's Heartless (Boss)

Billy Zane

Out of curiosity, I heard Billy Zane refused to return as Ansem in Kingdom Hearts 2. Does anyone know why?

Likely too busy. XienZo 05:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Unsure about this statement

It says "Xehanort's Heartless body is actually Riku's body. When he fully gained control of it he changed the body's appearance" But wouldn't this imply that Riku had lost his body and become a heartless, and thus would have a Nobody? But since the latter two are untrue, I don't see how Xehanort's Heartless could have been doing anything other than making his own form look like Riku's on Destiny Islands at the end of the game. Can someone explain?

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! It's true that Riku lost his Body but kept his heart. Therefore he does not have a nobody, nor is he a heartless. However as Xehanort's heartless uses his Riku's body, he could be considered Riku's nobody. But he's not. He uses Riku's body because it was drawn to the Darkness, and he lost his true body. Xehanort's Heartless already had a set figure, and Riku's body changed to his form.

Ruler

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - When, and of what, exactly?

I didn't put that category there. But come to think of it, wasn't he the one who usurped Ansem the Wise's leadership ? By banishing Ansem to the Realm of Nothingness, his Heartless became the ruler of what was then known as Hollow Bastion, whilst his Nobody took charge of The World that Never Was. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? He's the ruler of the End of the World, the final level that is in and of itself the Heartless HQ. It's all but outright said that's probably the King of Heartless or something like that. Also Trois, I'm pretty sure that when Ansem was at his biggest threat Maleficent was the ruler of Hollow Bastion, not Ansem.

I was talking about immediately after Ansem the Wise was banished...... Of course Maleficent took over HB later but then, what's the essence of it ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Names - Unsure

Just looked at the Riku Replica page, and noticed it calling Xehanort's Heartless "Ansem." Is this because he wasn't known as Xehanort's Heartless at the time of CoM? I think it makes more sense calling him by his true name....Endless Oblivion

"Xehanort's Heartless" isn't a name, though, and "Ansem" belongs to him just as much as the Organization member's names belong to themselves. He was attempting to take someone's reputation, yes, but "Ansem" is still who the Heartless was.

Plus, it's a rather large part of the plot, them not knowing who DiZ is yet and thinking the Heartless was Ansem, and it would be confusing to anyone who's not played KH2 yet.Glorious CHAOS! 16:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. I see how that makes sense...Thanks.

Other forms

Well, his cloaked form is his true Heartless form, while his fancy silver-haired form is merely how he manipulates riku's body (perhaps that's what Riku will look like grown up?) So we should be clear on that in the article.

Also, we might want to have a section covering the guardian, though there's not really much to say beyond battle stuff. We should add as much non-battle info as we can, though.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 11:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC) By Cloaked, do you mean the Organization Cloak or the cloak from KH1? And no, I don't think that he attained that form because of controlling Riku. Xehanort had hair similar to that, and so does Xemnas...Xemnas is closer in hair design to Xehanort because he is Xehanort's empty body given new life after the Xehanort's Heartless was born.It specifically says Xehanort retained his physical appearance as a Heartless and Nobody. That means the "fancy" silver-haired form IS his true form. He just wore the cloak from KH1 to disguise himself until the time was right. But I don't know... and since the Guardian is not truly counted as a Heartless, I say we merge it. And the Guardian is actually a part of Xehanort's Heartless...

Battle Quotes

• "Come."
• "Is that it?"
• "Kneel!"
• "You give up yet?"
• "Show me your power!"
• "Now witness true Power!"
• "Welcome Oblivion."
• "Here it comes!"
• "Behold the power of Darkness!"
• "Open your heart to Darkness!"

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 15:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC) Question to those who could answer. Why are these the only battle quotes on his page? These are technically Riku's... Shouldn't we instead use his quotes from End of the World? I understand he controlled Riku when he used these quotes, but we don't use the Dark Riku battle video on his page, so this doesn't make sense...

Well, let's see : the quotes from the actual Xehanort's Heartless I can think of are... "Come, guardian!" "Submit!!" "Come, open your heart." "Insolent." "What do you hope to accomplish?" "Do not deny." "My strength returns..." "The final darkness returns." Correct me if I'm wrong, and use these quotes where you see fit. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

About His Name

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? I'm just blue-skying here but I don't think Xehanort's Heartless is his correct name. Let's think about this for the first 2 games and most of the third it'd pretty much accurate that his name is Ansem, regardless of whether or not that was his original name. Let's think about it: Xigbar is really Braig's Nobody, DiZ is really Ansem the Wise's Disguise and Xemnas is really Xehanort's Nobody. Are any of them called that? No. Same basic concept.

Well, they had to call him Xehanort's Heartless to distinguish him from Ansem the Wise, didn't they ? Let's just leave it be. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Well I'm pretty sure me and most others can easily distinguish judging by what context we use it in (i.e. Ansem was the main villain in the first game) and also by adding "the Wise" to the end of the good Ansem's name.

Remember the Japanese-speakers. Ansem's name is in katakana. Kenja = the wise, is in kanji. If they were to make a remark about the "wise" Xehanort's Heartless, they'd end up using the same thing. And the same change was brought about in other versions. I personally have no problem with Sans-cœur de Xehanort (Xehanort's Heartless) rather than having to call him Ansem again... see ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 14:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Help!

It's me, Mar1. I tried to copy paste the old Guardian on this page, but it's all messed up! Somone please help!

Theres already a picture of the Guardian on here..What old Guardian photo are you talking about? Xion4ever Who am I? — 18:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, it's under control.

Why

Why the f**k does everyone keep the deleting the guardian section?!

Why?!

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. Mainly because there is absolutely no reason for the Guardian to have its own section, as most if not all of the attacks are made by the Guardian, wich will lead to it being mentioned numorous other times thoughout the article. Not to mention the fact that the "Xehanort's Heartless's Guardian" section was a short, puny group of sentences that had little information and didn't need its own section. That's why the f**k we keep deleteing it.

I just think the Guardian should get it's own page back.

KrytenKoro - Most bears were content to live their lives, mauling and eating one, maybe two humans at most. "Mass-murder," as the bears always said, "is for the sharks." But not Barry. Barry was different. He knew that one day, he would kill ALL of the humans. This is the inspiring, tear-jerking story of one bear and the dream he dared to dream. TALK - Because the edit was absolute trash. The story bit was completely redundant to the story covering when Riku took Xehanort's form. The "speculation" was not only completely ridiculous, but the links all pointed in the wrong directions. The edit ripped up a ref note. The rest of it is all battle strategy info, which is covered on the boss page. Finally, "Guardian" is not its name. "Guardian" is a Surveillance-type Heartless. The only thing we know about Ansem's guardian is that it always appears with him, even when it's actually Riku. Thus, there's no reason to believe it's not simply the Pureblood part of Xehanort's Heartless.

y'know,, you don't have to be dicks about it, guys.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! Hey! Watch your mouth! Don't speak to Kryten-sama like that!

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" OMG THAT WAS MEAN! ALL BECAUSE OF A STUPID SECTION! YEAH DON"T SPEAK LIKE THAT D:<

Kryten... Sama? Huh??

Hey, I just want to make this Wiki better!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! Well, there's no reason for you to say that about Kryten-sama! He's a good person!

Why are you calling people dicks when you started this argument with a random swear...?—Urutapu 23:51, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

I was just frusterated because everyone kept deleting the guardian area, after it took five minutes just TO FREAKIN' COPY-PASTE!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! Calm down. I get frusterated because of the edit conflicts, but you don't see me yelling at someone when that happens. And who's delating it? Kryten-sama?

Why do you keep adding on "Sama"? I digress. I just felt That Ansem's Guardian need some of his own recognition.

And I don't know who's deleting it.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! I add "Sama" to the end of Kryten-sama's name because I respect him highly for the work he have done here on the wiki. You don't know who delate it? Look at the History, then.

It was Kryten! And he said it was trash!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! That still doesn't give the right to call Kryten=sama the "D" word! He's a staff member! He knows what's best!

Firaga44 - Look at you you think you have it so damn hard!You hate being alone so let people in! TALK - Your ablity to mess with time-is coming to a end! yeah i agree!you can't just go around calling people that!

He may have been here longer than I have, but C'mon? Give a kid a break?!

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. @anon:Don't call anyone means names and solve thing civally. There are easier ways to solve problems without swearing, name-calling, and blaming. @NinjaSheik, Firaga, GB:The anon does not need to be bullied back in gang form. Kryten is a big boy and I'm sure he would have said something on his own if he felt it necessary.