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On a side note from all of this, I wanted to ask a question. Has there ever been a time where we've seen a heart being stolen, other than the time in Traverse Town? If so could I have some examples? I was thinking about this because on the [[Heartless]] page, it says "Once that machine was activated, most stolen hearts become Emblems, provided they contain darkness." The part of this sentence that I'm concerned about is the "Once that machine was activated" part, because if we've never seen a heart being stolen before the machine was activated, then who's to say that stolen hearts becoming Emblems was just a thing that began after the machine was activated? I think this sentence should simply say "Stolen hearts become Emblems as well, provided they contain darkness." since we don't know if, why, or how the machine started it. The two ways to create an Emblem is with the machine and a heart being stolen. Since this is the case, then what would happen if someone stole someone's heart before the machine was created? It would create an Emblem, right?, it just probably wouldn't have the Emblem logo on it. The reason why I'm asking if we've ever seen someone's heart being stolen other than the man in Traverse Town is because I believe that Emblems are the only things that ''can'' steal hearts. I'm pretty sure that we've never seen anyone else steal a heart before. It says in the Secret Ansem Reports that Emblems steal hearts and use them to increase their ranks. It never says that any other person like a being of darkness or something, such as Maleficent or Xehanort can do this, so I'm pretty sure that Emblems are the only beings that have the ability to steal hearts because they do so to increase their ranks. Purebloods consume hearts which turns them into more Purebloods, right? Or do the hearts they consume just fade into darkness? Anyways, that's off-topic. So yeah, have we ever seen anyone other than Emblems steal hearts and turn them into other Emblems? (other than Terra-Xehanort's machine of course). --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 06:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC) | On a side note from all of this, I wanted to ask a question. Has there ever been a time where we've seen a heart being stolen, other than the time in Traverse Town? If so could I have some examples? I was thinking about this because on the [[Heartless]] page, it says "Once that machine was activated, most stolen hearts become Emblems, provided they contain darkness." The part of this sentence that I'm concerned about is the "Once that machine was activated" part, because if we've never seen a heart being stolen before the machine was activated, then who's to say that stolen hearts becoming Emblems was just a thing that began after the machine was activated? I think this sentence should simply say "Stolen hearts become Emblems as well, provided they contain darkness." since we don't know if, why, or how the machine started it. The two ways to create an Emblem is with the machine and a heart being stolen. Since this is the case, then what would happen if someone stole someone's heart before the machine was created? It would create an Emblem, right?, it just probably wouldn't have the Emblem logo on it. The reason why I'm asking if we've ever seen someone's heart being stolen other than the man in Traverse Town is because I believe that Emblems are the only things that ''can'' steal hearts. I'm pretty sure that we've never seen anyone else steal a heart before. It says in the Secret Ansem Reports that Emblems steal hearts and use them to increase their ranks. It never says that any other person like a being of darkness or something, such as Maleficent or Xehanort can do this, so I'm pretty sure that Emblems are the only beings that have the ability to steal hearts because they do so to increase their ranks. Purebloods consume hearts which turns them into more Purebloods, right? Or do the hearts they consume just fade into darkness? Anyways, that's off-topic. So yeah, have we ever seen anyone other than Emblems steal hearts and turn them into other Emblems? (other than Terra-Xehanort's machine of course). --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 06:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
::The only definition of Emblem Heartless that I know of, in regards to creating them, is that they are artificial Heartless that were invented by Ansem's apprentices, and that they created a machine to make them. Now, they appear in KHX anyway, but that could just be time travel using the Book of Prophecies. In any case, we see people becoming Emblem Heartless with absolutely no Heartless or machine nearby - most notably, the Nightwalkers in The Land of Dragons. We ''cannot claim'' that the heart has to be stolen by an Emblem, because we have proof positive that you can become an Emblem even if you lose your heart a different way. In fact, the time in Traverse Town doesn't even depict what kind of Heartless the guy was running from. As far as the machine is concerned, we have no reason to believe that the person has to be literally hooked up to the machine -- the same person also somehow invented a technique so that any Emblem slain by a Keyblade, no matter the world, was sent to his personal, artificial Kingdom Hearts. It's very, very easy to believe that the machine makes it so that any stolen/lost heart, no matter the world, becomes an Emblem Heartless, so there's no reason to believe "the machine" is a separate method from "hearts being stolen". | |||
::As for who can steal hearts, the Ansem Reports, KHII, and Days are all pretty clear that ''all'' Heartless steal hearts. The difference just appears to be whether they are simply siphoned darkness (and so empty on the inside), or that same darkness covering a stolen heart (and so release a heart when destroyed). Honestly, I'd wager that the reason Sora became a Shadow was because his heart went into Kairi, and was not actually inside the Shadow as we played it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC) | |||