Forum:Reviving the Mirage Arena

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TheSilentHero Prepare yourself! — 14:25, 27 June 2015 (UTC) Since the last Joint Struggle ended, the Mirage Arena has been pretty much dead. One reason for this is KSM's leave, as he was the one who was in charge of it. But even before that the MA didn't have much activity. Almost no nominations, with even some weeks having none, and often only a few votes. So here are some ideas to improve the activity: Remove the edit limit (and let IP users vote). A lot of wiki's have arena's that are very popular. One of the reasons may be that everyone can vote, even IP users (which are counted as half votes). I know there is a edit limit, so people help out on the wiki, instead of just voting, but this may be a way to get more traffic to the wiki. This idea comes from SmashWiki's Smash Arena. Instead of nominating a new round every week, like we have been doing, you can suggest fights (and vote on suggestions) there and after a while they take them all down and the ones that have received enough positive votes get put in a queue for the next weeks. When the queue is full, they close the suggestions and reopen it when the queue empties. This may be an idea to prevent having no nominations for a week. Giving one person/a small group of persons total control of the MA. Users can still suggest things, but the one(s) in control can decide whether they accept the fight or not, and make up fights when there are no nominations. These are simple changes that can make the MA more active. However, I also have ideas for special rounds that can really change the MA. Trinity battles: Basically, these are just 1v1v1 battles, instead of 1v1. KH has a lot of "trinities", like Sora/Riku/Kairi, Terra/Ventus/Aqua, etc. Double battles: 2v2 battles. These can be things that belong together, like Sora + Kingdom Key vs. Riku + Way to the Dawn, but can also have random teams, like Leon + Shadow vs. Cloud + Flood, as long as each team has "fighters" of the same category as the other team. Windows to the Past: (I already had this name in my head before it was decided to be unofficial) One of the rules of the MA is that past fights cannot be used again. But since the very first fights, a lot has changed. New games came out that may change people's opinions on things, and there are a lot of new users, so the results may be completely different. This kind of fight would take a fight from the archives and redo it. Tournament mode: This would be similar to the Joint Struggle, except it would consist of "fighters" from the same category, like all Keyblades, or all Heartless. There would be multiple fights each week to speed up the process. These are just some ideas to make the MA more interesting, but the most important thing would be to get a new "Keeper of the Arena". (I could do it, unless someone else wants to...) Thoughts? Are there any other ideas? Does anyone else want to take over the MA?

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 18:31, 27 June 2015 (UTC) Okay so: I don't think we should remove the edit limit (especially no to letting IPs edit). Remember that the point of community events like the Mirage Arena is to bond the community (and in doing so, attract new editors). We don't want strangers coming to vote at the MA, without first being integrated into the community. Also, the Chain of Rewards system makes new editors feel like they're actually doing an achievement when they stock up higher edits and are legible to participate in more events; I know I felt proud when I could first vote in the MA. Besides, 100 total edits is really not much and I'm sure it's not that off-putting. I love the idea from the SmashWiki! I don't think it's a good idea to give one person all the choice when it comes to what fights go or not. It's kinda over-controlling and basically not very fun. However, if no one has nominated a fight, I have no qualms with the person in charge to make up his own fight and implement that, since the time ran out anyway. I nominate you as MA Keeper! I think those battles are really interesting, except the Windows to the Past which is kinda like the Joint Struggle and Second Chance. I'd love it if rather than making 1v1 the norm and the new ones as "specials", we could alternate between modes each tournament bracket to keep it fresh all the time.

TheSilentHero — 19:23, 27 June 2015 (UTC) Regarding your last point, do you mean the "Windows to the Past" or "Tournament mode"? It was part of my plan to alternate each week. The question is how we are going to handle the Joint Struggle with the different modes.

TheFifteenthMember I like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to. — TheFifteenthMember 19:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC) I meant "Windows to the Past". It's similar in that it revisits old matches. I think we should alternate each bracket, but have shorter brackets.

TheSilentHero 斬 - Buster! — 10:29, 28 June 2015 (UTC) Well, the Joint Struggle doesn't revisit old matches, it takes the winners (or losers) of two previous matches and have them fight each other, hence my confusion. I've been thinking that maybe we should not do the Joint Struggle anymore, since the fights are way too random. It would be a more fair fight if the two fighters are from the same category, instead of having fights between a character and an entire game, for example. That could work. Like have a month of normal battles, followed by a month of trinity battles, followed by a month of double battles, followed by a tournament and then repeat.

TheFifteenthMember Myes, but THEY didn't know that! We have to consider THEM! And yet we must also be mysterious, myes, myes... — TheFifteenthMember 17:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC) Still, the Windows of the Past isn't overly exciting because even after a year, I'm sure most people will still have the same opinion on most topics (e.g. I doubt KH3 will change anyone's opinion on x command vs y command). That's just my opinion though. If others disagree, I have no qualms about implementing it. I agree with scrapping the joint struggle, but I like how it gave a sense of finality at the end of each bracket. Is there any alternatives that we can replace it with? Maybe a month is too short (that's only 4 battles). Perhaps two months.

TheSilentHero — 16:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC) <<<<<<<<<< Yeah, let's just forget the Windows to the Past idea. I don't know, but we could put the Tournament at the end. (My current idea for an order is Trinity > Regular > Double > Tournament, with Tournament having both regular and triple battles, depending on the amount of entries.) How about 6 weeks, which is 1.5 months. With four brackets that would take approximately 6 months, so we could do two rounds a year. If nobody else has any comments or ideas, I'll open the nominations for the "Trinity Bracket".

TheFifteenthMember I like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to. — TheFifteenthMember 19:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC) I'm confused, how can you have different mode brackets within the same round?

TheSilentHero — 19:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC) Well, one round would consist of the four mode brackets. How did you think it would work?

TheFifteenthMember Ignoring how these caterpillars uttered what they're trying to say, I do agree. — TheFifteenthMember 19:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC) Well, I was thinking that at the end of each bracket, we should do something to give a sense of finality, like the Joint Struggle / Second Chance did. The tournament doesn't really do that because it's an entirely new mode and battles.