Forum:Talk Sprites for Deletion

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KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 09:03 PM Sat, January 4, 2014 MST Ok, we started this discussion on the Pages for Deletion page. The original discussion is here, before I give my response.

From the Pages for Deletion page:

Talk sprites

A lot of talk sprites from Days are marked for deletion. However, a lot of them are used for templates, which can cause problems if they were all deleted. I think those deletion tags should be removed. For example, the sad sprite of Mickey is on the upcoming template. I really don't think these pages should be deleted. SeanWheeler (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think you're okay to remove the deletion tag on those. KeybladeSpyMaster 17:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

First and foremost, unless a staff member says otherwise, assume everything in the deletion category is meant for deletion. You were right to bring the discussion up on here, instead of starting a mass removing spree. Anyways...No, do not remove the deletion tag on the Days images. Those images have to be uploaded off the Wiki and linked back to whatever templates/pages they were on. The Days images are not "real" images. Check out Spriter's Resource They are user edited images created by Xiggie/DoorToNothing to be used by users for talk templates and the like. Under our old image policy such images were allowed. However, with our new policy such images should be deleted. I've been working on uploading the images in the deletion category to my personal Photobucket account for a while now. It's taking more time than it probably should, but I promise you they will be taken care of properly.--Xion4ever 17:55, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

So, they weren't just cropped from the game? They were completely fanmade from scratch? I find that hard to believe. But if those were fanmade, can someone use a capture card to replace them? SeanWheeler (talk) 18:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

That sounds a little extreme, to require every user-edited image that is on the wiki to be uploaded off-wiki, especially when the images were talking about aren't just any images being used on just any user's talk bubbles, but they're images that (I assume) the administrators themselves chose to be used on these administrative templates. They serve a greater purpose than the passive pleasure of a few users, they actually have a purpose on the wiki, an important one at that. I think that there should be an exception for the images the administration has deemed to have an actual use on the wiki. I mean, otherwise, it sounds like we would have to remove every user-edited image on the wiki, among which include approx. 50 walkthrough images (38 of which I uploaded last week myself), the little symbols, including the one that symbolizes your status as administration (pretty sure SE never released a shiny keyblade logo), even the wiki logo itself (I know they didn't create a logo for us). KeybladeSpyMaster 02:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The images were taken from the originals which can be found Category:Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Sprite images. The images were not only flipped, but some where filled in from where the red banner used to be. As ridiculous as it sounds, if you check the older deletion logs, my personal Photobucket account, my edit count/edits you'll see exactly how many user images have been taken care of. There used to be over three pages in the Articles for Deletion category- meaning between the 401-600 image range. Now there are only 279. Heck, even check out Ultima's userpage. At least seventy five percent of the 219 deletions came from user images. It's a long process, but it's getting there.
Some "user" images have been deemed okay to remain on the site, such as the staff template and Wiki logo, as you mentioned. As for the Walkthrough images, to my knowledge internal linking is not possible if using links from Photobucket/Imageshack. This could prove problematic to the walkthrough articles since we've apparently deemed that to be the way the articles should look.
As for images being used on administrative templates/elsewhere: see the userboxes. These images used to be held on Wiki, too. Now they're linked from Photobucket.
To be quite honest, I've waited this long to delete the Days images exactly for this reason. From what I've seen on here from other users/staff, those images should be hosted elsewhere and deleted. That is what I believe, too. Perhaps we should open a forum on this...--Xion4ever 03:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll do that (it is actually starting to become somewhat long....)KeybladeSpyMaster 04:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - MST I do not question your ability to delete and upload images off the wiki. I'm just suggesting that it could be easier to just leave these images here. I understand why you would want to remove them, I just thought that since they do not benefit one person's experience but rather the entire Wiki's function, and it serves a purpose in the actual editing process, it would be better to leave them on the wiki, or replace them with images that aren't unofficial.

Final Chain - "Good tidings friends..." TALK - "...and a happy new year!" - Chainoffire (talk) 04:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Here's my thoughts on the matter: 1. If they do end up getting deleted, we at least put up a wiki-wide warning, to give people enough time to move/replace the images they want. So that and so it's not like: "Surprise! Happy 2014! Your images were deleted!" I know that the "No fan-made images" policy has been in place for a while now, but there is that little gray area of what a "fan-made" is. For example, the sprite used on this very talk bubble is hosted in Xemnas' gallery. If I were a new user to the wiki, and see the policy we have in place, I would think that this was an official image because: a. It's hosted on the wiki before I even got here, b. It's used in a gallery, c. Lots of other users already use the image, d. I'm not so familiar with the KH series that I don't notice a tiny red bar at the bottom of the sprite, thus, it must be an official image! This warning wouldn't have to be up for very long, 2 weeks minimum. But this way users aren't surprised and angry about the deletion. 2. As KeybladeSpyMaster said above, we replace all of the non-official images with the corresponding official ones. There's only 171-ish images that need to be replaced, so if many hands make light work, this should be done in a jiffy or two. The only real problems I see with this are the fact that we'd be editing other user's personal user pages, and the fact that they'd look different (flipped and with a red bar) which may not be to some user's liking.