Talk:Julius

Why isn't he considered the first Disney Secret boss

Okay a lot have people have been asking whether or not he's the first secret boss to be a Disney character while others simply dismissed him he's not the first secret boss to be Disney character since the Ice Titan is. Though IMO, I do believe he's considered to be a secret boss, because like Xemnas, the Lingering Will, and the Unknown(Young Xehanort) these bosses often tease a future character in a future KH game so, to be fair he's the first secret boss to be a Disney character, what do you think? DisneyGirkeybladewielder95 00:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Why does everyone forget about Polaros or however it is called.. Sum2k3 04:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

What Sum2k3 said, Hydros, or rather the Ice Titan, was the first secret Disney boss. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. - Erry 06:09, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

But he was considered as an Optional boss in the tournaments and he didn't tease a future KH/Disney character in a game, Sephiroth is the same thing he's an optional boss in KH and KHII but he wasn't a considered a Secret Boss like Xemnas, lingering will, and Unknown(Young Xehanort). DisneyGirkeybladewielder95 18:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Julius is an optional boss too. maggosh 18:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

True, But like Xemnas, the Lingering Will, and the Unknown(Young Xehanort, they appear in a specific area from the world you go to, and they have a lot more powerful attacks than the other optional bosses in the games, and you have to rely on your attack strategies to defeat them. DisneyGirkeybladewielder95 18:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Just like Sephiroth, Ice Titan...where are you going with this? maggosh 19:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm making a point that he's the first secret boss to be a Disney character, you and the rest of you on this wiki could say whatever you want regarding that he doesn't count as one and the Ice Titan does, but to me and a few non-wiki editors that are off this site say, he does and this comment is done. DisneyGirkeybladewielder95 19:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, that's it. Time to take off the kid gloves:

If "you and a few non-wiki editors" say that, then you are either willfully ignorant, or woefully stupid. There is no criteria for Julius being a "secret boss" (not even an official or meaningful term!) that Ice Titan doesn't also fulfill. You have, for what it's worth (and again, wiki consensus is that "secret boss" is a stupid, pointless category), the official guides calling Ice Titan a secret boss. You have the Ice Titan appearing in a certain area of a world you go to, having much more powerful attacks than most bosses, and requiring a specific strategy to defeat. Neither Ice Titan NOR JULIUS are advertising an important plot character to appear in a later game...and why would they? All the previous "preview bosses" (as much as that term even makes sense, considering that we have Sephiroth or Roxas showing up in later games, too) were forms of Terra-Xehanort, and were inestricably linked to the plot at the deepest levels. Julius is a JOKE.

I think you (and your "non-wiki editors" that you love to bring up without ever explaining why we should care) are twisting the simple definitions of words so that you can insert a claim that any observer could see was nonsensical, and even at the very best, totally, completely, meaningless and not worth the time it took to type on the page.

Stupid, peurile, meaningles tripe like this is why the wiki discourages trivia. For example, the Soldier is the first Emblem Heartless we see in the games...so freaking what? Does that change anything about the setting? What does all this "first one to X" stuff even MEAN to the story? Does it actually give you a clearer picture of what the story's about, what the fictional universe is like?

No. It is nothing more than an excuse for some lazy editor to find the most banal of things that they can claim is, in some way, kind of possibly true (even when it absolutely is the opposite of true, such as in this case), so that they can stick it on the article and pretend that they are "helping", that they are providing something "worthwhile". We have a huge list of things that actually need to be done to help improve the quality of our articles, stuff like expanding the story synopsis for a character, or checking where items appear, or providing summarieis of the manga and novels...why in the everloving are you wasting our time with this?192.249.47.177 20:09, 28 June 2012 (UTC)