Talk:Dark Hide

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I propose we change the name of this page to Hunter of the Dark. "Hunter of the Dark" comes from the name of the music played while you fight this Heartless. I know, it's just the music, and nothing technically says that this is its given name, but it's better than what we have. Anything is better than "unnamed Heartless". It's time to give this bro a name, IMO. Oh, and removed the redirect to this page. Was that bad?

Last time that was suggested for Sunset Horizons, people blew a gasket. People are still fuming over Lingering Will, too, and that one has a much stronger, more direct case."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:04, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

No one's blowing a gasket now. And it is a better name than "Unnamed Heartless", you have to admit. --LegoAlchemist 00:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

I was actually going to move and change the page to "Hunter of the Dark" as a temporary name until announced... which I doubt won't be in a while. When you said you were the fun one on the lane, who was your competition? The mailbox? - Erry 02:24, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Personally, I'm against it. The name of a track is really not a reliable source, as we've seen, but my real reason is that we should probably be trying to do better on keeping speculation to a minimum. I'm not dead set against it, but that's my stance. (Also, if it weren't for Lord of the Sky, I'd say "Hunter of the Dark" doesn't sound like a Heartless name at all.) --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 13:10, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Especially since "Ruler of the Sky" is the dub for "Sky Ruler"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 22:07, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

I think we're jumping the gun here if we go straight to naming it "Hunter of the Dark". I thought of it too, but I'll decide against it, because if someone can find a reliable enough hack from BBSFM or a future journal entry, that might resolve everything. ^Tambours_Néant Ensemble ! 06:20, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

...Exept he has no journal entry, and, at least the model files, dont have a proper name.--Dark-EnigmaXIII 11:42, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Just out of curiosity, where did we find the Bit Sniper's name? Also, does the guidebook/Ultimania for BBSFM, if there is one, shed light on this Heartless? I'd assume not, but I don't know if we've checked yet.

Bit Sniper is listed in the Ultimania and Bradygames guides."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:01, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Red YELLOW eyes

CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - My level 3 troll can totally defeat your level 5 ogre! Total PWNAGE! — 14:12, 3 July 2011 (EDT) I'm probably not the first one to notice this, but aren't its eyes yellow? Sure you'd doubt it at first but if you look reeeaal close like, you'd see that beneath the red glow, its eyes are yellow. More clearly seen in our Wikia counterpart's image.

CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - I smile because... ...I have no idea what's going on. — 21:08, 7 July 2011 (EDT) No? No one wishes to back me up on this? Crap :(

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Didn't see this. It's eyes are clearly yellow (like virtually every other Heartless in existence) with a red glow. I'll fix up the description in a bit.

Heartless

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Do we have any confirmation that this thing is a Heartless?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? If there's an official guide for BBSFM, it's probably listed there. But I'd like to point out that this thing has all the hallmarks of Pureblood we've seen on every single one of them in the series. The glowing yellow eyes, the purple/black and blue body, the jagged mouth; it also has the same skin textures as the Dark Thorn and Darkball Heartless. EDIT: Also, Aqua outright says that it isn't an Unversed, and Nobodies don't exist yet.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} for crying out loud stop with the "nobodies didn't existed before Xemnas" we have nothing that prove it, now going back to the actual suject, yes he look like one but so does Anti-Saix and the wiki says it is a nobody so the appearence is nothing if we don't have a confirmation, plus he has something that no other heartless has, a red glow on his yellow eyes

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? ...Yes we do. Secret Ansem Report Number 7, Ansem refers to the Nobodies as "new" threats, well after Xehanort usurped him. And even allowing that Nobodies could exist at this time period, the unnamed Heartless does not resemble or behave in any way like a Nobody, it is not an Unversed, and thus must be a Heartless. I'm with you on Anti-Saix and Anti-Riku, I have no idea what logic is being used for them. Both are non-canonical beings that bear a stronger resemblance to Heartless than what they're currently classified as. EDIT: About the eye. Its eyes are very clearly the standard Heartless yellow. Simply having a red glow does not make it a different creature. Its purely an aesthetic difference. Heartless are not uniform, they have a wide diversity of appearances with just a few common similarities.

It was in the middle of the Realm of Darkness, so I'd assume it would be a Heartless. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 20:21, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Also, if it was a Nobody of some sort, it wouldn't be using elemental attacks, and it would convulse and deform itself throughout the battle. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 20:25, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} I'm not saying that it is a nobody I just used Anti-Saïx as an example, we have no idea of all the things that exist in the realm of darkness so maybe it is a new thing never seen before, and one more time I'm not saying that is a new thing just mentioning that it may be something other than a heartless and since we don't have anything saying that it is a heartless we shouldn't just jump into conclusions and say that it is. @Lapis: Yes he calls it a new THREAT, that doesn't necessarily means they didn't existed before, it may mean that they weren't a threat before besides, Secret Ansem Report 1 also says: "When a Heartless is born, the body and soul left behind are reborn into this world as a different being." and as heartless already existed in BBS it is most likely that nobodies existed too.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Alright, let me get this straight. You are not saying it is a Nobody. Alright, so it isn't a Nobody. You are not saying it is a new thing. Alright, so it isn't a new type of enemy. Aqua identifies that it is not an Unversed. Alright, so it isn't an Unversed. It looks and behaves like pretty much every other known Pureblood Heartless, with its color scheme, eyes, mouth, and the weird after-images. Going by all of that, either it is a Heartless, or it doesn't actually exist. Side note, Secret Ansem Report #1 does not say that. #7 does. Ansem wonders about what happens to the body and soul after a Heartless is born in the earlier reports, but it is not until report #7 that he mentions actually seeing them. They are his "new discovery" and he names them, and this all happens after Xehanort banished him, not before.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Okay fine, but I still think that it is wrong to jump into conclusion without any proof. P.S.:Sorry about the 1 I must have typed it by mistake, yes he only discover them after being banished to the RoD and again, I repeat, that doesn't necessarily means that they didn't existed. P.S.S:The nobodies named themselves

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Without any proof. Yes. There's absolutely no proof whatsoever. Except for the proof I just gave you. Really, you did most of the work for me. If it's not a Nobody, Unversed, or new type of enemy like you said, it must be a Heartless. I don't follow what part of that doesn't qualify as proof. Fine, let's just throw out the concept of when Nobodies came to be. This boss is still not a Nobody. Nobodies, unlike Heartless, are largely uniform, with the exception of human-shaped Nobodies. They all have at least some silver on them, bear the Nobody emblem, and lack eyes (need I remind you, this boss' eyes are prominently featured). They all twist and contort themselves and are summoned with those thorns. There is no possibility of it being a Nobody, nor an Unversed. I don't follow. Organization XIII named themselves, I suppose, but Ansem named the species in his reports.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 00:18, 9 July 2011 (EDT) I'd like to point out that, going by the logic I've seen used to so far, that the realm itself is defining it as a Heartless. Every time we've seen the Realm of Darkness, we see either darkness or Pureblood Heartless. It's said somewhere, I think in Kingdom Hearts II, that hanging out in the Realm of Darkness causes normal beings to have memory loss or suffer in some way (case in point: Ansem the Wise. I think.). The being has no emblem of any kind to define it as a new enemy. There is no implication of any beings other than Heartless naturally residing in the Realm of Darkness. Seriously, to say it's not a Heartless simply doesn't make any sense. While it is never stated by the game "OH THIS ENEMY IS A HEARTLESS, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING," the game is directly implying that it is a Heartless. Now, is that confirmation? Nope. However, Nomura and his team are clearly trying to get us to assume that this thing is a Heartless. To not make such a, well, obviously true conclusion would simply result in off-the-wall alternatives.