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Nostalgia

Zexion14 - Go here and take my poll quick! TALK - I don't want to fight! Does anyone else remember way back when chain of memories was new, everyone called Roxas "Blond Hair Kid" I always thought that name was just hystericly funny! *sighs*

"I See Myself the Way You Remember Me..."

This was a statement I never understood between Namine and Roxas at the end of KH II, when Roxas says that "I see myself the way you remember me. And you see yourself the way I remember you." What does that even mean? I was so confused... KyrianXVII 13:07, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

• I think it means that the reason they are able to project themselves out of their complete beings is because of their memories of eachother. --Evnyofdeath 17:37, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Roxas Dual Wielding (Xion's Keyblade Not Ventus's)

iZerox What's your problem?! — 14:00, September 7, 2010 (UTC) "This marks the start of where he gains his signature ability to dual-wield, as he awakens Ventus's Keyblade after her demise. The first time he uses them, it shows two Kingdom Keys, his and Ventus's, which quickly transform into the Oathkeeper and Oblivion." Where has it ever been stated officially that the second keyblade was Ventus's keyblade. It doesn't even make sense to me considering that when Roxas is running towards Riku and is compelled to toss they keyblade to Riku, Riku starts to have flash backs of memories of Xion because he came in contact with the keyblade. And the fact that Roxas couldn't dual wield until Xion had faded away only seems to indicate to me that he was using hers. Xion may have been a copy created from memories but she was real just as much as Roxas was physically. I believe the same applies to their keyblades as well, you can't kill heartless with an imaginary weapon that doesn't exist physically. It only makes sense to me that Xion's keyblade was passed to him, after all she could wield his keyblade what would be the reasoning for him not being able to wield hers? All this seems to highly indicate that it would be her keyblade he wields and nothing to do with Ventus.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Nomura stated in an interview that it was Ventus Keyblade, and that Roxas desire of not losing Xion's memories made the ability awake inside him(Not sure if that's it but it is sure similar)

KrytenKoro - Pinocchio with his nose attached to the trigger of a rifle, which points at his face as he says, "I want to live!" TALK - Since Xion was stealing Roxas's powers, it could also be that her Keyblade IS Ventus's, but that's unconfirmed.

iZerox Think I'll pass. My heart won't be in it. Don't have one, you know? — 20:41, September 7, 2010 (UTC) *sigh* I guess that works. Can't argue with the creator. Though Kryten's idea makes sense.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I agree, iZerox. After all, Ventus doesn't wield Kingdom Key. As for Nomura's confirmation, we also can't forget Kryten's Wall o' text battleship that underlines how inconsistent Nomura is with Keyblade possession. But go figure.

Hey how everybody doin!

Wrong place for this, talk pages are for discussion of the article only. --Evnyofdeath 22:38, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why is it that roxas has soras memories but doesnt remember them?!

I wanna know why does anybody else know?!

Among other things, it is because Sora spent so little time as a Heartless, and regained his form and memories in such a strange way.Glorious CHAOS! 14:59, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh thx I wanted to know.

That can't be Roxas right?

Tha tscreenshot of Roxas at the Dark Merdian isn't tah tsupposed to be Xemnas? I mean the yellow eye kinda says it.--NejiHyugaRocks 18:01, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

No, that's Roxas. Xemnas was sitting on the rock.Glorious CHAOS! 18:24, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

The picture in the trivia section.

Why do you guys keep bringing up the promotional artwork of Roxas where he apparently looks "older"? I don't see anything to suggest that he is in anyway older looking or anything. It's just the way he is drawn and the angle that he is at, and I've asked other people who said they don't see any difference either. He doesn't look any different so why do you guys keep adding it?

Because it's blinking obvious that he looks older. Ventus is right there in the same artwork - this Roxas has a more pronounced chin, a more muscular chest, a longer neck, a larger adam's apple - everything to suggest he is Axel's age.Glorious CHAOS! 22:32, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not. He doesn't look any older. It's the way he is drawn. I am an artist myself, and I know if you draw something at a certain angle, then the subject will look different than it would at another angle. His chin looks more pronounced? No, it simply looks like he's tilt his head up and to the side slightly, as is obviously meant to be the case. Those aren't muscles, those are his collar bones. Necks look long depending on the way you look at them. All that you've given me is stuff cannot irrefutably be given as evidence that Roxas looks older than he actually is.

Ventus's chin slopes back - Roxas's juts forward.

His hand looks to fill the entire guard of the Kingdom Key, when it usually leaves a lot of empty space

He has a muscle jutting out in his neck, and it is noticeably longer compared to how it looks in other images (ex: File:KH Days trio.jpg)

His hair juts back instead of forward, and follows his neck all the way down to his shoulders, rather than projecting.

Yes, those are his collarbones, but his actual chest is more prounced - again, compare it to the trio image. You usually can't even see his collarbone, because he has a smooth chest.

This is a very rough approximation, but the length of his Keyblade, it looks like it only compares from the top of his head to midway down his chest. In his other images, it goes down to about his waist.

Maybe he's just drawn using elements from the other Organization members in that image, but he just doesn't look like the young little shorty he usually does. But it just doesn't look like him.Glorious CHAOS! 13:24, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't mean he's supposed to look older, it's a just coincidence if he does. It's nothing worth noting, and that's what I'm trying to get across. Obviously Tetsuya Nomura tried to draw Roxas different to distinguish him from Ventus, seeing as at the time everyone was still convinced that Ventus was Roxas.

That's just a guess. The fact is, it's a significant departure from Roxas's normal character design, and whether it's a coincidence or deliberate, it's still notable. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:54, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

No, Nomura even had to specifically state that Ventus was not Roxas in an interview before and after this artwork was released.

So if he's drawing him different to distinguish him from Ventus, who he is essentially a doppelganger of...doesn't that mean he's drawn differently than normal?Glorious CHAOS! 20:22, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't make him older, just different.

Yeah, it makes him look older, but this looks like a case of bad artwork more than anything else. I don't really think an artistic screw up is all that important, but then again we did mention that typo on Lea's page.LapisLazuliScarab21:52, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

If it is just a case of bad artwork, then I don't understand even more why it's even important to mention it. Especially since there are probably better trivia to put in than that artwork.

Arg.

1. It's a distinctly different design that was used as a prominent piece of advertising when these three games were announced.
2. Trivia is NEVER desired. There is no such thing as "better trivia to put in." Everything there should be necessary, and this is.Glorious CHAOS! 23:35, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

No it isn't, it is a promotional piece of work that has nothing to do with the games other than being promotional. Why don't you put cover art for Kingdom Hearts II on display and say, hey the Ultima Weapon keychain from the first game is featured, that must mean it is important. And you know what, I'm done with this. If you want to put stuff up that doesn't have any IMPORTANT meaning, then go right the hell ahead. I'm wasting my time with this.

We, ah, do have coverage on that kind of stuff, actually. And, huh, being the only public piece of promotion at the first announcement of this three-game set seems pretty relevant to me.Glorious CHAOS! 05:44, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever you say. And you completely missed my sarcasm.

Didn't miss it, you just picked an example that fails as sarcasm.Glorious CHAOS! 13:46, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Truthfully, I don't really care that much about that picture, but I don't see what the point of putting that link to the puzzle mechanic from KHII Final Mix was. I mean, it's a gameplay mechanic, not an actual piece of the story. The pictures don't have any effect on the story, so I don't see how putting up that link helps your argument for the supposedly older Roxas picture. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on that?

...really? You asked why "we don't have coverage of the cover arts", and I link you to where we do? Pretty spastic you are, young padawan."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:32, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Appearance??

Givox - It seems to me that what you folks need is a hero. TALK - "I-I'm an action Figure!" Isn't it somewhat of a contradiction as to why Roxas looks the way he does? It says he looks like Sora because Roxas is Sora's nobody, but he looks exactly like Ventus because Ventus was connected with Sora's heart when Roxas was created. Does that mean that there is a reason that Sora and Ventus look alike? Or am I thinking to hard about this???

No your not thinking to hard.I always wondered that aswell.I hope its explained in the future Kh games.

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - {{{time}}} Actually there is a reason. It has to do with the prologue and the end of Birth by Sleep. In the prologue when 9year-old Ventus was injured due to Xehanort cracking his heart and creating Vanitas, Ven made contact with a "just-in-the-process-of-being-born" heart, which was Sora. Sora's heart, on its way to be born into Sora's body, offered Ventus to heal his injured heart, which he accepted and therefore they formed a close connection between their hearts. It is possible that Sora's newborn heart took some of the impressions it gained by helping Ven with it which then influenced Sora's appearance slightly. In the end of Birth by Sleep Ven's heart was so badly injured due to the destruction of the x-blade that even the connection with Sora's heart couldn't help anymore. So Ven's heart had only the choice to finally fade or seek refuge within Sora's own heart. Sora, being the nice guy he is, accepted Ven's plea and let him in. Now for Roxas, when Sora's heart was overcome by its darkness due to the dark keyblade in KH I, Ven's sleeping, still badly maimed heart was expelled from its shelter (which became a heartless => the shadow we control in KH I) and remained within Sora's body. This body however became Roxas, and since the body's appearance is formed by the heart the body shapeshifted into the image of the injured heart: Ventus.

Then why is it that Roxas is still a Nobody if he has a heart?

He had Ventus's heart which allowed him to have emotions but since he did not have the heart of his original persona he felt unsure about his existence a common trait among nobodies.This is why he is still considered a Nobody.--The Dark Master 17:18, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Third Keyblade?

In Deep Dive, if you look really closely as Roxas and Riku pass each other, you can see Oblivion in Riku's hand, Oathkeeper in Roxas' hand, and (I think) Kingdom Key in Roxas' other hand. I'm serious, take a look (you might need a high-quality video, it's pretty subtle, but it's still there).--71.223.68.218 00:39, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA common knowledge. and it means absolutely nothing. secret videos like that are concept videos and are non-canon

Pictures

I'm not quite sure if this was where to ask this, but where do you get your scans to cut images from? I can't find any good ones. --Heart of Fire 17:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Appeared In KH1 and Final Mix

TECHNICALLY, Roxas appeared in Kingdom Hearts 1 and Kingdom Hearts Final Mix during the secret episode. So how come it is not shown on his page.

CaelumLucisCaliga - Why do I feel so... 2-dimensional? TALK - 17:02, November 27, 2010 (UTC) We don't count secret videos, as they are not considered to be in the actual game. For example, Riku, Roxas, and Xemnas were all in Deep Dive. Riku is considered to be in KHI and FM cause he really was. Xemnas is considered to be in FM only because in there, he appears as a secret, optional boss. Roxas is only in the secret ending, so he's not considered to be in KHI at all. I really hope this isn't ... lengthy.

That can't be true than how did Roxas,Xion & Axel are in BBS?

Gallery

LightRoxas - "I fight for the Users!" TALK - "I'm also better than you!" The majority of the organization has one. Sora has one. So shouldn't Roxas also have a separate gallery page showcasing all his various photos? I'd do it myself, but I don't know enough about editing.

Sephiroth0812 - I admit you're very skilled... TALK - The planet has forsaken me... - 00:04, December 21, 2010 (UTC) Wait, what? As far as I can see Roxas's article has a gallery already...

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 00:05, December 21, 2010 (UTC) He's talking about a seperate gallery page, in the Galleryspace. And he is right, no such page exists.

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - 00:07, December 21, 2010 (UTC) Oh, my bad then...*ggg*. Still a newbie after all it seems. ;)

LightRoxas - "I fight for the Users!" TALK - "I'm also better than you!" That's alright Sephy, I'm still pretty new too.

LightRoxas Talk! — "Get real! Look which one of us is winning!" Axel went somewhere. He went to sleep. Alright, I've started the page here, but it still needs more images that I couldn't find. Anyone wanna help out?

Soxra - Behold! For my very existence refutes the will of the gods! I am a will unto my own, a power that shakes the very foundation of creation! Talk to me! - Soxxeh 8:14pm, December 27, 2010 (UTC) If no one's added any by the time I get home from work, I'll put some up. I've been gathering a list of images for every character, and now seems like the perfect time to use it.

Article Clean up

Dark Master - You need it memorized. TALK - {{{time}}} Roxas' artical needs a major improvements especially in the Kingdom Hearts II section.I will try to fix but I may need help.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - {{{time}}} and the format, some articles have "Abilities" while some have "Fighting Style"