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##The main complaint about the Mirage Arena was that it would attract users who only showed up for the arena, and do no actual work. This is not a theory - it's what happened on the FF wiki, and what's been happening here (I've seen certain editors placing maintenance tags on articles that have no need of them, just for edit count). Furthermore, it's simply not true that "whenever a group tries to implement some fun...it gets shut down", and it's unfair to the staff to claim that. The IRC was at the suggestion of the staff (as far as I know), for instance. There are certainly ways to fix the Mirage Arena problem, but let's not pretend that a certain staffer just said "No" for no reason. | ##The main complaint about the Mirage Arena was that it would attract users who only showed up for the arena, and do no actual work. This is not a theory - it's what happened on the FF wiki, and what's been happening here (I've seen certain editors placing maintenance tags on articles that have no need of them, just for edit count). Furthermore, it's simply not true that "whenever a group tries to implement some fun...it gets shut down", and it's unfair to the staff to claim that. The IRC was at the suggestion of the staff (as far as I know), for instance. There are certainly ways to fix the Mirage Arena problem, but let's not pretend that a certain staffer just said "No" for no reason. | ||
##Talk pages were frowned upon ''not just because it clogged | ##Talk pages were frowned upon ''not'' just "because it clogged the RC", but because certain users were using the talk pages to harass other users. I'm sure everyone knows one of the main ones; she left the wiki for good a while ago. Another was banned from the IRC, and another still does it, and she knows who she is. Furthermore, the decision was at the hands of the community, not just the staff. | ||
##Again, the IRC "jeopardy" was because of harassment, ''not'' because it's not "professional" enough. I know my call for clamping down on the channel was specifically because of an incident in which a normal editor was harassed, and complained to me. All of the new regulations we have are specifically a result of situations like that - they are not simply "the ops want to take away our fun". You guys were using those ways to hurt each other, and you shouldn't try to shift blame onto the ops for your own failures. | ##Again, the IRC "jeopardy" was because of harassment, ''not'' because it's not "professional" enough. I know my call for clamping down on the channel was specifically because of an incident in which a normal editor was harassed, and complained to me. All of the new regulations we have are specifically a result of situations like that - they are not simply "the ops want to take away our fun". You guys were using those ways to hurt each other, and you shouldn't try to shift blame onto the ops for your own failures. | ||
##I never saw the full user badge discussion, but from what I did see, there ''was'' reasons given by the active op, and it was never so simple as "No". It had to do with fear of the same politicking as we've seen from certain users - people who want the prestige without the responsibility, people who edit for glory and not for the simple joy of providing information. While I don't agree with that op on how dangerous the badges can be, again, please don't put up a strawman of him. | ##I never saw the full user badge discussion, but from what I did see, there ''was'' reasons given by the active op, and it was never so simple as "No". It had to do with fear of the same politicking as we've seen from certain users - people who want the prestige without the responsibility, people who edit for glory and not for the simple joy of providing information. While I don't agree with that op on how dangerous the badges can be, again, please don't put up a strawman of him. | ||