Talk:Lea

Why did someone make this? Is it really nesscesary?--NinjaSheik 17:53, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh come on, a complainer already? the page has only been up for about a minute. It is of my opinion that if the wiki is going to treat nobodies and whole beings as two different people (as they should be) then we should have two pages on each of them for what we know

That would make sense if Lea either had a conformed appearance. This is the same as giving Sora's mom a page...--User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 18:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? I'm agreeing with ST. Nobodies and Somebodies are two very different entities.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? I also agree with ST. And "This is the same as giving Sora's mom a page"? Wasn't that exact phrase used somewhere before?

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thank you. Besides, the founding members somebodies had pages before their cameo appearances, ad no one was complaining then

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? It's gonna need an infobox and a lot of links will need to be changed.

Look very carefully at this article...is there any information in it that does not already appear on Axel's page? I really don't see anything being added to the wiki by this being here. Granted, there are pages being made for other "somebodies", but that is presuming they will have a role and story in Birth By Sleep outside of their existence as Nobodies. Unless more of Lea's background is unveiled somehow, this really should just be a redirect to Axel's article. BebopKate 18:27, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Spy is sappin' my joy.

What does it matter if someone said "this is like giving Sora's mom a page" before? That's exactly what this is. All we know about Lea is his name and that he was friends with whole!Saix. And that's it. This page is only longer than an introduction because it just talks about Axel, which we have the Axel page for.—Urutapu 19:04, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Whoa, dude, whoa! I was just recalling reading that sentence before, no need to go apeshit on me!

Cut it out, you guys.--NinjaSheik 19:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Considered it severed from the present conversation.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt that wut the founding members pages were before we knew they would be in BbS? Intros with stuff from there Nobody pages? The only thing they had there that was any different was that Dabbling with Darkness stuff, and since that came from Ansem's Secret Reports,by your own reasoning, isn't that what we have the Ansem Reports page for?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Couldn't have put it any other way. Good show, mate.

The founding members are a little more important than Lea, that'd be my guess. I don't remember them having pages until after they were conformed in BBS.--User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 19:21, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

True.--NinjaSheik 19:23, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No, they were around longer than that.

While we did have pages for the founding members, they were subject to this exact same debate. Many felt we did not need the pages, as the bulk of the information focused on the Nobody instead of the person. Now that BbS info has changed things, the pages have suitably changed. Look at Lea's page...two-thirds of the text are on Axel, not on Lea. Even the intro says, "Not much is known about him." Why do we need a second article on what is basically the same person? BebopKate 20:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 20:03, October 31, 2009 (UTC) The only reason that there are pages for the first six apprentices is because of their appearances in Birth by Sleep. If Lea never makes an appearance in the Kingdom Hearts series, then he will never have an article. For now he stays mentioned in Axel's article, this was already decided some time ago.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i don't suppose we could vote on this?

Go ahead.--NinjaSheik 20:11, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Correction: I dont suppose it would do us any good if we voted on it

Perhaps.--NinjaSheik 20:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA then i vote keep the article

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 20:16, October 31, 2009 (UTC) I don't understand why we would have a stub with information that's already on Axel's page when we can just put Lea's information on Axel's page. We can't even provide a picture for Lea. He'll likely appear in a future installment, wait until then.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I remember I read in an intweview that Axel...Lea might appeared in BBS, with Saix. But, I'm not sure,

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I guess GS is voting "Against", making total score 1-1 so far :)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 20:23, October 31, 2009 (UTC) This is like making an article for Gideon from Pinocchio's world. We know he exists, but he hasn't made an appearance yet, so he does not receive an article. Same goes for Lea, there's no difference.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I'm with Sir GS.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You do know you've made your point, right?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Don't be rude!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i was talking to GS

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I know you were.

Vote

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Here. lets vote down here as not to make a mess of it up there. I vote "For" keeping the article

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Is this really nesscesary?

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 20:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC) My point was, voting doesn't make a difference. Lea hasn't made an appearance, so he's not getting an article. That's all there is to it.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Now why didnt you mention that in the first place. :)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I think he did.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i meant the part about voting not making a difference. wouldve saved me time. ooh, quick note, an hour ago, this had no talk page. now look a it :D

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Yeah...Great. This is getting out of hand.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good point. in that case: Thank you everyone that suppoted this project. Bummer it didnt work out, but hey, cant say we didnt try, Gonna end this show now, see ya next week :D

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Okay...?

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Ugh, it seems like every time someone tries to help out, the article gets deleted and they're scoffed at.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Depressing, isnt it

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Yeah it is. That's why I'm only fixing grammatical errors from now on, so my edits won't be reverted.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quick question, GS, why wont voting make a difference? if the majority wants the page, than majority rules.

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. I personally don't see a point of have a page for Lea.We practially jack squat about him expect we know he was friends with Saix's somebody and he's Axel somebody(yes i'm using the term somebodies for it.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 18:48, November 3, 2009 (UTC) I thought this was over by now. Look, we're not going to have an article for Lea because it's not a suitable article for the Wiki. It doesn't have enough information, and no Lea character has yet to appear in the series. All information on Lea (which is like one sentence) will be kept in Axel's article for now. Also, even if voting did matter, more people have already disagreed with this page than those who have agreed. As for Nitrous, edits will only get reverted if the information added is unnecessary, false, or does not follow the MoS. I suggest you stop blaming people for doing things incorrectly, and go over the rules yourself.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA While that was a very impressive temper tantrum, you still never said why voting wont make a difference in the first place

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - Because that's not how wiki's operate, or the trolls would control how the wiki was run. The deciding factor is who makes the most logical argument - as it is now, the argument is "The name is given in Days" vs. "We don't actually know anything about him". Thus, the second argument wins. Please understand, this is coming from the editor who wanted an article on the Dolphin, just because it has an actual appearance - and that was turned down, because there's nothing to say about it. As soon as we get enough information to actually be informative, and not speculatory, we will start the article.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If you look at the set-up page, you'll find there is very little(if any)speculation, simply what we know, and who proposed the Dolphin page?

KrytenKoro - Click TALK - And if you'll notice, I didn't say the page was unacceptable simply because of a speculation. But, since you want to bring up how much speculation was on the page: Not much is known about him other than the fact that he lived in the same world as Saïx's whole being, whom he seemed to be close friends with. At an unknown point in time, Lea's homeworld was taken over by Heartless and he lost his heart in the process along with his friend, Saïx's whole being. Sometime after Organization XIII found his Nobody, who received the name Axel and was inducted into their ranks as Number VIII. The entire rest of the proposed article is fluff that is not actually about Lea. The sum total of non-speculatory and relevant information on the page was: "Lea is the whole being of Axel. He seemed to be close friends with Saix's somebody. It is also known that Lea must have had a strong heart in order to produce a humanoid Nobody." Seriously, do you understand why that's not enough for anything more than a redirect? It's a rephrasal of basic Nobody lore, and one sentence.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I don't see how that is speculation. It's been implyed strongly enough that Saïx and Axel were friends as human and grew up together, so i hope you'll agree its safe to say that they lived on the same world, second, most of those that became Heartless and so by extension, Nobodies, 9 times out of ten became so because their world was taken over by the heartless. and third, obviously the Organization had to have found his Nobody, else he would have never been inducted into the Organization. So, how is that speculative?

Because it's absurdly speculative, and if you honestly can't see that, then you shouldn't be editing this kind of article any more. Every bit of what you just said is text-book speculation.Glorious CHAOS! 20:21, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 20:27, November 10, 2009 (UTC) Basing your information on implications is speculation. It's beyond me why you're still pushing for the article when we've already explained numerous times why it currently has no place on this wiki. Either you're doing this on purpose, or you're extremely dense. Just give it a rest.

Jump Festa

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Aaaaand we're back.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I had a feeling it would. Now, all we need is a picture of Lea.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Well, technically, we need the trailer to be released. I'm so damn anxious!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Me too!

D.Dark - Master of lame names! TALK - {{{time}}} Well well well so Lea IS appearing in BbS....thats SHOCKING! Oh yeah this is going to be good.

RedemptionUltima - What IS he!?! No one's EVER worn the darkness the way that he does! It's impossible! TALK - See my illusion! How do we even KNOW if it's gonna be Lea?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? He used his signature "Got it memorized?" What more do you need?

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Sounds pretty much like Lea to me.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, had to get that out. Finally we have a Lea page that won't get deleted!

Flynn as Lea

Not gonna use my talk bubble as this is kinda official. - - there is the source. Taken straight from my Facebook, I asked him the question as to whether he was doing Lea and he confirmed it.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? What is this doing here, man? To KHInsider!

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Well if Quinton Flynn confirmed it himself then I guess it's true

RobbieNewton1 - Don't Mock Me! TALK - {{{time}}} I have sent an e-mail to KHInsider, as well as posted a forum topic there about it

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Is it really that serious? Either way we'll find out once the game is released right?

Veroso - The shadows are coming! TALK - Are you prepared for the worst? I have to agree with Venkix.

Lia or Lea?

In the new scans that was released, the box with Lea's name was spelled differently. It was spelled Lia. So, is it Lea or Lia now? I know I shouldn't be worrying over something like this, but stil...--NinjaSheik 17:55, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? You can't get Axel out of Lia, can you? Just a typo on Famitsu's part.

I thought as much. I hope we can get clearer scans soon.--NinjaSheik 18:00, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? My crops should suffice until then, right? And even then I'll just have to redo them. :P

Yeah. Until we get clearer scans, I putt that "Betterpic" template on their pages.--NinjaSheik 18:04, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

To answer your question: Axel's true name is pronounced and written as "R/Lee-uh" in the original Japanese versions of the Kingdom Hearts games, and romanized as "Ria" or "Lia" due to the pronunciation of the "L" sound in the Japanese language. Thus, the "Lia typo" is born. --24.99.20.159 23:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Child?

Don't you think it should be rephrased to 'teenager'? He really doesn't look like a twelve year old when you compare him and Isa to Ven Kaihedgie 23:51, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? That would be a good idea.

Radiant Garden

The example given, Kairi, is actually "the exception that proves the rule". She was only able to leave Radiant Garden because space travel was discovered, and this game is set before Radiant Garden becomes really aware of that. Especially because they are kids, there is no reason to believe that they could have been flying around. As such, the possibility that they aren't from Radiant Garden is actually less plausible, so let's just use this for now.Glorious CHAOS! 22:45, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Xemwath - You are my living legacy. TALK - SOLDIER 1st Class Zack! They are from Radiant Garden. There was no other way to travel unless you had the keyblade and/or the Gummi Ship. It makes me wonder how Leon and his grew evacuated from Hallow Bastion?

Remember Cid? Cid built a gummi ship and escaped that way.--Xion4ever 22:51, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Xemwath - You are my living legacy. TALK - SOLDIER 1st Class Zack! Well, there you have it. They are native residence of Radiant Garden and it probably explains why they were next to be recruited to the Organization XIII after the apprentices.

It doesn't prove anything about Lea or Isa. Just that Leon, Cid and the others are natives from Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion. To back this up further: We found this out from Kingdom Hearts. Finding out if Isa/Lea are natives of Radiant Garden will probably be answered in Birth By Sleep. Wait until the US release to confirm if they're actual natives.--Xion4ever 23:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Again, the nature of gummi ships is that they could not be built at Radiant Garden during the events of Birth by Sleep. The Ansem Reports are clear about this, and the recent info about the Star Fragment only backs this up.Glorious CHAOS! 23:47, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Just wait until the game comes out before any assumptions be made. A lot of assumptions have been made before and have been proven false. Just wait until the game comes out before making any pointless speculations that are worth nothing.

A little tidbit of Lea Trivia

Lea's not just wearing any old scarf, it's a houndstooth style scarf. Isn't Houndstooth the name of one of Axels attacks? I think "Firetooth" is the attack you're thinking of, and what makes it a houndstooth scarf? LapisScarab 02:34, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=2213030

That is not Houndstooth, that's just stripes and checkers. This is Houndstooth HarpieSiren 07:40, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Bomb reference

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Get rid of it. It's vague and sloppy.

Yeah. Uh. How so? Kingdom Hearts makes random Final Fantasy references all the time. Also, a Bomb is a flaming head with piranha teeth, last time I checked.—Urutapu 17:59, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 18:11, January 5, 2010 (UTC) Agree

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? It looks nothing like it! It's not noteworthy if it doesn't resemble it!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 01:43, January 6, 2010 (UTC)   Ooooh? Doesn't look so different to me...

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? *puts gun in mouth; pulls trigger*

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 01:59, January 6, 2010 (UTC)   That attitude is really not necessary. Anyway, if you're so sure it's a bad reference, you should ask around a bit more, since there all of four people here talking about it.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? I thought the fact I committed suicide was proof enough that I was conceding defeat.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 02:04, January 6, 2010 (UTC)   Oh. I thought it meant you were so aggrivated by the argument that you wanted to commit suicide.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? A cork popping off a champange bottle and rendering an old man unconscious can be misconstrued as an assassination. You're not the first one.

Neumannz — Ah, my trusty nunchuck gun. The only gun that's never out of ammo. TALK — Or did I? — 17:53, January 6, 2010 (UTC)   Hooray! I'm a follower!