Talk:Xehanort

I really don't think that his spirit went on to Terra and then Terra then lost his memory and ended up in Radiant Garden, where all he could remember was his possessor's name. It makes no sense that he has a Nobody and a Heartless yet he still appears in Kh2 final mix, i would belive that his apprentice would most likely be him Saxor 06:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is just a crazy probably not true theory.

Maybe Master Xehanort is Xehanort's Unbirth. Think about it, the main antagonist in KH 1 and 2 were the leader and the same thing as the enemy force: Ansem=Heartless, Xemnas=Nobody. So it only makes sense that Master Xehanort=Unbirth. But it's just a theory.--Vatek 12:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

AbOhWn - I'd rather we just skip the formalities TALK - Parley ! That's exactly what I was thinking!

I think this is a really confusing theory . An unbirth can only be created AFTER the death of a nobody and a heartless, because of this, MX can't be an unbirth, because xehanort is only defeated After KH 1 and 2. Then again, MX can be an unbirth. he spoke somewhat of how darkness wasn't the right path for him and how he didn't wan't ven to make his " mistake" It's possible MX was consummed by darkness, and became a heartless and a nobody, these in turn could have been defeated, (Birth by sleep sequels anyone?)creating MX, who kept his personality as a heartless, nobody, and now an unbirth.--142.46.164.89 22:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Name

Perhaps an irrelevant detail, but I'm wondering, is "Master" part of his name, or is it just his title/rank? Drake Clawfang 18:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a title but keep it there to avoid confusion with the other Xehanort

Xehanort

Cecil the Paladin - If light and darkness are eternal, then surely the nothing must be the same... eternal! TALK - I don't think this guy 's the same Xehanorth that spawned Ansem the Wise and Xemnas, why would he be older here, ten years before, than in KH and KHII?

are we really sure how old he is?(He might shave his head and just likes a goatee)

Even the facial features are different, dear. I'm sure our present-day Xehanort wouldn't have had a nip and tuck before actually being found by Ansem the Wise... ^_^ Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Kingdomheartsfreek - The names Axel, got it memorized. TALK - no heart, no feelings you are wrong visit my home page, that is were i have said every thing.--KHF "fight to win" 23:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

We didn't even say anything far apart from the theory. That's where YOU are wrong. All we did were guesses and requests for information, not statements. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Nomura screwed it again?

Hold on, the guy says those who wield the darkness can't use the Keyblade yet:

Xehanort, Terra and Riku clearly use them despite this....so....what's goin' on? D: Kaihedgie 00:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Was the wielding of darkness real, or was it a ploy by Maleficent ? Also, it doesn't matter what side of the scale you're on. MX might've just gotten his facts wrong. In actual fact, those with strong hearts can wield Keyblades, no matter what their alignment may be. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Exactly what I was thinkin'. In addition, you can't really call the 'Dark Keyblade' a false Keyblade, or the ones wielded by Terra, Aqua and Ven for that matter. Just because they don't have a Keychain, doesn't mean anything. The Dark Keyblade, despite lackin' such a device, still functions like any other Keyblade would: unlocking hearts and gateways to other worlds. Kaihedgie 02:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Truly, MX isn't the only one to have gotten his facts wrong : Xehanort himself did, towards the end of KH. Who knows if Nomura deliberately put it in ? We know how antagonists distort the view on things. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

MX doesn't say they aren't Capable of wielding the keyblade just that they aren't "Qualified" to. In other words, he's prejudiced. "we don't hate it it's just kinda...Scary.But the world's made of light and Darkness,you can't have one without the other;Cause Darkness is half of Everything. sorta makes ya wonder why we are scared of the dark. "It's because of who's lurking inside it." Just as Dark is not Evil, so can Light is not Good.

We don't know what the true translation is : "capable" or "qualified". But either way, MX is just one of those people who got his facts wrong. When you get your facts wrong, you have prejudices. Ansem the Wise had prejudices against Nobodies because he never wanted to accept the truth about Roxas and Namine, and he kept on screwing it up. I'm pretty sure Xehanort would've had prejudices of his own kind. If MX ever lives through to another sequel, he should see Riku. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

the phrases "Knight Templar" or "Well-intentioned Extremist" come to mind

"Light and Darkness are mear elements, only good or evil when weilded by those with good or evil hearts." True, no? In my opinion, it appears that the only "qualification" you need is a sufficiently strong heart, so long as your heart remains strong, your keyblade will stay with you, even, in some cases, a keyblade will form from your own sword if your heart's strong enough, like Riku's soul eater/way to dawn, and, even if your heart isn't in your body, the keyblade will still let you use it I.E. Roxas, Xion, heck, I bet Namine could also have weilded a keyblade, given that Kiari can. NobodiewithaHeart

In response to the comment immediately above, Roxas could only wield a Keyblade because he SPOILERS contained the remains of Ventus' heart/END SPOILERS. Xion is a copy of Roxas, and can therefore wield his Keyblade. And to clarify, there are three varieties of the Keyblade: WARNING SPOILERS

1. The whole and the two halves of the Ki-blade. This/these are the Keyblade(s) used by Sora (Kingdom Key -The 'kingdom' being...well, that should be obvious), King Mickey's Keyblade chronologically after BIrth by sleep (Kingdom Key D.), And the combined 'Ki-blade' wielded by Vanitas in the conclusion of Ven's Scenario (and technically, Aqua's as well) in Birth By Sleep.

2. The Keyblade of people's hearts, which can unlock Kingdom Hearts, as can the Ki-blade. This is the dark Keyblade made from the princesses' hearts.

3. The Keyblade of a person's heart, which will manifest itself from their own heart if the person has sufficient strength of heart. These are the Keyblades used by everyone save Sora, Mickey after BBS (his original Keyblade is the Star Seeker), and Vanitas when he battles Ven in their awakening (he otherwise uses a finned keyblade with two eyes on the blade and hilt). -Xabrin

Master Xehanort's "Mistake"

In the TGS2008 trailer for Birth By Sleep MX says "Use your power to defeat the darkness. And correct my mistake!". Does anyone have any idea what his "mistake" was?

probably his apprentice falling into darkness.

Joe Keyblade Aura Come chat! — You shouldn't judge anyone based on appearance. Dance, water, dance! or maybe master x made the aprentice out of the darkness in his heart

Joe Keyblade, your theory was scary close to being correct.

Random Shoe Resemblance

did anyone notice that MX has the exact same shoes/boots as the organization members, probably where the organization actually got the from.

Similarities

I found this picture that shows the similarities between Master Xehanort and Xehanort's heartless: File:Xehanortmasteryu6.jpg

Are they the same person or something?

User:Ninabean822

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? There are quite a few differences with that and more notable ones at that. 1. Xehanort's Heartless has hair and isn't bald. 2. He's not blind (milky-white eyes mean someone is blind). 3. He doesn't have any facial hair, let alone a goatee. 4. He has the tan that we all dream of instead of being paler than pale.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 22:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Well, the current belief is that the Xehanort we know may be Terra. Terra may be the apprentice, as MX's A and MX become separated for a time (Terra's playable storylline). If Terra becomes Xehanort and is the apprentice, he may have acquired his master's old clothes.

Speculation

Yer mom - SOMOS HOMBRES O PAYASOS!!!! TALK - 20:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC) I don't know what you guys think but the speculation section in this article is a bit... crazy >.> Besides, didn't we have a policy for no speculation in articles and a Speculation header defies that completely? I propose the speculation part is moved to a forum thread so people can go wild with their thoughts there while the article remains with only the known facts.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 20:55, October 16, 2009 (UTC) I'd side with that. Wow guys, just wow. We've let the speculation thing stay this long >_>

Yer mom - SOMOS HOMBRES O PAYASOS!!!! TALK - 20:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC) Yeah I'm just moving it, since it's ridculous

New Screenshot

A recent scan[1] has a full body in-game screenshot of master xehanort maybe that would be a better picture for this article.

I have provided a better picture but Yer Mom is reverting it. --Black Summers 21:26, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 21:30, October 20, 2009 (UTC) It isn't a better picture, it's terrible quality.

... right, so you'd prefer a side-face shot over a full body shot? --Black Summers 21:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 21:32, October 20, 2009 (UTC) Until an actual good quality scan comes out, yes.

That's quite humorous. --Black Summers 21:33, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Don't rever the edit please. The image you uploaded is a bad quality one. We'll stick to the artwork until a better scan comes around. --—YerMom _{is feeling jolly} 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Right, next time i'll try and find one with dynamic lighting and in HD. --Black Summers 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Well at least the new one is alright.--Masgrande 07:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

MX's Clothes

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Has anyone else noticed that MX wears the same gloves and boots worn by Braig, Dilan and Aeleus?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Master Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless, Braig, Dilan, and Aeleus all wear the same boots and gloves, yeah. It looks like Even and Xehanort also wear the same boots as the others, which in turn look a lot like those worn by Orgnaization XIII members.

That was something I actually realised when the renders of the OXIII members were out. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:24, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Speculation

Xemwath - You are my living legacy. TALK - SOLDIER 1st Class Zack! I think Master Xehanort is trying to break in Ansem the Wise's lab to do experiments with the darkness in people's heart. Since Terra is infatuated with darkness (he comes across Maleficent in some pictures), it would probably be easier for him to some how summon Kingdom Hearts and fuse with Terra and become an apprentice. From there, he is now known as Xehanort, rather than Master Xehanort because he's not a keyblade wielder anymore. He forgets his memories, and then is discovered by Ansem the Wise. Once Xehanort disobeys Ansem the Wise's rules and conducts experiments with the darkness in peoples hearts, he becomes Ansem and Xemnas. Now Terra and Master Xehanort is split once again, but in a different form. Master Xehanort is more of Ansem (hence the similar clothing), and Terra is more of Xemnas (hence the remembrance of Aqua). Terra said something will happen to his body when he meets up with Master Xehanort and Braig Terra said the he may need Ven to save him. Now think back to a few trailers and here are some interesting things.. Terra tells Ven that he was saved by him once MX does something to Ven's (heart?) MX tells Ven to give something up Now if you look at this it starts to fit together. Something DOES happen to Terra's body and Ven saves him somehow. MX then focuses on getting Ven out of the picture which ends up with that scene where Terra asks what happened to his heart. MX will try again to do something to Terra as to what we don't know, and without Ven this time it might work. +++++++++++++++++++ No just to add in a bit of theory... It's possible that whatever happens to Terra is because of Ven falling into a trap and getting knocked out of the picture so he was unable to save Terra a 2nd time. Skipping a head I think it's possible that Destiny island scene with Ven and what looks to be Aqua might be the end of the game. Because of Ven falling into a trap the existence of Terra is no longer Terra. In the end Ven tells aqua to erase him, because he feels guilty and wants to have his existence erased as well. Aqua does something to erase Ven and some part of ven becomes one with sora. If you think about it this would be very appropriate. Because that could make it like this, the existance of Ven is no more and in his place is the non-existent Roxas, and the existence of Terra is no more and in his place is the non-existant Xemnas. Personally with all the KH symbolism I could really see that possible. Anyway yeah just was kinda thinking and seeing what I could piece together.

LOMI, Voice of Nothing Master of Fiction {{{1}}}

master xehanort boss battle

video of master xehanort boss battle with terra where he uses his own keyblade to release his heart and transorm terra into xehanort and after that terra's armour gets a will of his own. and after that the armour fights terra/xehanort thumb|300px|left thumb|300px|right

Main antagonist

Since MX is the Xehanort we know, and Xehanort's page calls hm=im the main antagonist of the series, wouldn't that make MX the main antagonist, and the fact that their pages are seperate pointless? I'm not saying add this to the article or merging, because I know about the spoiler policy, but I am putting it down for future reference. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? The Xehanort we know is a combination of MX and Terra, thus technically a different character. Terra's page should be about actions performed by Terra himself, MX's page should be about actions MX does himself, and Xehanort's page is for the combined being's actions. That said, it would seem that calling MX the main antagonist by proxy isn't far fetched.

It seemed Master Xehanort and Xehanort are the same but Master Xehanort stole Terra's body and become the Xehanort 9-10 years later. So are you going to merge Master Xehanort and Xehanort togther? --Cococrash11 22:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

To Lapis:Makes sense. To Cococrash:It probably wouldn't be the best idea. It would make it jumbled. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Home World? The Hell?

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* Why is the Keyblade Graveyard listed here? What the hell. How I seem to recall, he was born on Destiny Islands, and later moved to the Land of Departure.

Forgive me for asking, but do you have a source? Someone went and changed it without verifying that it was actually correct, and now it is locked that way.--Otherarrow 09:31, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Xehanort Reports in the game make mention of Master Xehanort sending Ven to his home to rest and recover the light in his heart, and this has been interpreted as when Ven is streaking down to the islands in the BBS intro. MX also makes reference to leaving while standing on a beach in his world, which is a pretty explicit reference when you consider that sort of visual has been used a lot in KH. Doreiku Kuroofangu 11:44, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 22:54, January 18, 2010 (UTC) Also, it shows MX as his young self on Destiny Islands at the very start of the game. That's the person that Terra sees Riku as for a split second. In the scene with Riku and Terra, Riku even mentions that a boy left to travel to other worlds a long time ago. That's how Riku knew there were other worlds in the first place.

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* That settles it. *goes to fix*

Wait a second wheres the proof that man and Master Xehanort are the same? I mean Riku didn't said in what year that the myteroius man leave? --Cococrash11 05:56, January 20, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Sure looks like a younger (Master) Xehanort. Here's the scene - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGqehqfm0A. As Riku stands there, Terra sees the guy Riku mentions as Riku himself, then Riku turns and looks like his KH2 self, and finally he looks like young Riku again. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers (merge)

I'm not saying do it right now, because it would be a pretty massive spoiler just to do it, but do we want to consider eventually merging this with Xehanort's page? I've watched a couple BBS vids, and it's obvious that his name is simply Xehanort, as other characters refer to him without the title. So do we keep the page "Master Xehanort" for now and move/merge it to another location later, leave it here for good, or what? Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:21, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

BBS Template

Can an admin add the BBS template to the bottom of this page? He's the only page that doesn't have it. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

Master Xehanort's power

it's confirmed that he also very skillful in ice and lightning magic, shown by attacking using homing dark-ice spell. he also uses dark-lightning magic. also, he is able to raise the ground as a pillar for attacking. as for his battle stance, it's the same as vanitas' since vanitas is his apprentice

17master 16:08, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

And.......so? His battle stance is different from Vanitas', at least in the vid I saw where he is fought. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:07, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hometown?

Saxisai Chat it up! — Do you remember "when the world was a simpler place?" — Saxisai 18:16, February 6, 2010 (UTC) It indirectly states in the Xehanort Reports that his home town was Destiny Islands. Should we add this?

There's a lot we could add to the page, that included. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:27, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Saxisai Chat it up! — Do you remember "when the world was a simpler place?" — Saxisai 18:29, February 6, 2010 (UTC) Yea, why hasn't the lock been removed from this page yet?

Main Antagonists

Can someone add Master Xehanort and Vanitas to the list of main antagonists under Universe of Kingdom Hearts

Okay, this isn't even funny anymore...

Someone has to find a way to unlock this page. Birth by sleep is over a month old now, and this page needs an update. Seriously. Xabrin 04:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin

Update: SUCCESS! BOO-YA! Xabrin 03:59, February 24, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin

Indeed. A massive update. For Pete's sake, they just showed us what Xehanort looked like before he got all wrinkly.

Maybe I am just crazy, but...

Ok, well I was thinking that seems MX's body (and soul?) faded into darkness when his heart joined with Terra, forming Xehanort, That with the destruction of Ansem and Xemnas that Terra's heart will return to his body and MX's to his, reforming both of them for a future game. But I don't know I am a little crazy. Black Tornado 20:54, February 23, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

Master Xehanort isn't autistic....

Seriously, who suggested that? The only kind that would fit is Asperger's, and Master Xehanort has displayed none of the other common behavioural problems associated with that. Autistics tend to face people, but not have eye contact with them, which is the exact opposite to how MX acts. My older brother's autistic, I know what I'm talking about when I say it should be removed from the trivia section. Xabrin 04:04, February 24, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin

I'm sorry, that was me. I have asperger syndrome, and I thought the way Xehanort acted was actually the same as I did. I don't always make eye contact, and I at times tend to talk while my back is turned at the person I was speaking to. Werehog 1:34 PM 2/24/2010 (UTC)

Battles with Sora?

Ross ello — Already that man is a monster infused with darkness. Terra will fall into darkness! — 03:54, February 25, 2010 (UTC) There's a sentence in the abilities section that says something along the lines of "as evidenced of his battles with Sora." I don't think that belongs there. Master Xehanort never battled Sora as far as I know. In fact, the Xehanort showed in KH2 never battled him either. Only his heartless and his nobody did. If there are no objections within the next few days, I shall feel obliged to remove it.

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:08, February 25, 2010 (UTC) It's not wrong. If you read the whole paragraph you will understand. It says that after he took Terra's body and lost his memories and Keyblade he was still dangerous, proved by the fights Sora had with him (his Heartless and Nobody.)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Yeah, but Master Xehanort's abilities section should be about his abilities. The abilities of his Heartless, Nobody, and the other Xehanort should be contained on their respective pages.

Ross ello — Already that man is a monster infused with darkness. Terra will fall into darkness! — 04:35, February 25, 2010 (UTC) Yes, I did read the whole paragraph. And it's still wrong. Xehanort's Heartless is not Master Xehanort. Neither is Xemnas. They are different entities created from the heart of Master Xehanort, but different entities nonetheless. Calling them the same person, is like calling Kairi and Namine the same person. It's just not right. Plus, we have other articles for Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless. And as the gentlemen above me stated earlier, this is about Master Xehanort's abilities. Not. Anyone. Else's. So, I'm just waiting for the OK to nuke that sentence.

Ross ello — Already that man is a monster infused with darkness. Terra will fall into darkness! — 21:54, February 25, 2010 (UTC) Since the only objection I have received has been disproven, I'm going to remove that statement. I will save it, in case anyone objects later.

Ross ello — Already that man is a monster infused with darkness. Terra will fall into darkness! — 21:58, February 25, 2010 (UTC) Never mind...the page is locked.

islander?

Was it ever actually confermed that MX was from destiny's islands, because I do not think it was. If no one objects I going to take it down on Monday. Black Tornado 20:31, March 4, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

In a way, yes. A man that looks much like Xehanort was seen on Destiny Islands both in the beginning of BBS and when Riku talks with Terra on Destiny Islands. This is not, however, the Xehanort from KH1 or KH2, because his hair is styled a different way, and his outfit is also different. Not to mention the apprentice Xehanort never sets foot on or in Destiny Islands, with the exception of his Heartless, a separate character. Please leave this bit of information alone. - EternalNothingnessXIII 20:35, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, but only see the back of that guy's head and for all we know it could be Riku from the "distant" future (after the KH2 version). Maybe it should say that it highly inferred in Bbs that MX is from Destiny's islands. Is that fair? Black Tornado 21:25, March 5, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

No, because that would make it sound more like speculation, even though all of this pretty much is. We have the most facts supporting that it is Xehanort, because the man is seen in the beginning saying "One day, I'll be free." When Terra meets Riku, he says "A man left the islands long ago." before Terra sees the man's form over Riku's. The verdict : Leave it be. We have more facts supporting that it's Xehanort. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:28, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Alright I'll leave it for now, but I am still against it. Black Tornado 22:01, March 5, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

The man has a different hair-color than Riku, and appears right as Riku is mentioning Master Xehanort as an islander. The implication is pretty clear.Glorious CHAOS! 03:21, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

No Riku mentions someone, who players speculate is MX he never says the name XehanortBlack Tornado 16:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

As Riku says this, we get a shot of Xehanort's back. I mean, christ.—Urutapu 23:25, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

YES the back of a head it could not possibly be anyone else!! Black Tornado 16:02, March 7, 2010 (UTC)Black Torando

Um, it is young Master Xehanort, as the Xehanort Reports back this up, along with an interview with Tetsuya Nomura, and I think any smart person could figure it out.---oddishh

Yes it is obviously MX, but, you weed, that requires deduction, which makes this speculation, need I say more? Black Tornado 21:31, March 8, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

...you see him clearly at the beginning of the game, then you see him again when Riku mentions a man that left the islands. Are you seriously saying it should be removed because you still need a map and compass?Glorious CHAOS! 21:43, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Did you just call me a 'weed?' xDDD And what Kryten said. If you can't figure it out, then it's your problem. It's pretty much common knowledge for those who read spoilers now. ---oddishh

Hay you named yourself, not me and if you bothered to read what i said, YES MX is from Destiny Island, but no matter how you say IT IS SPECULATION!!!!!!...so yes i do need a map and compass because speculation does not belong in the articles Black Tornado 21:39, March 9, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado