Talk:Ansem the Wise

Who thinks it's better to put:

xehenort-gardian?

I know the title seems stupid but bare withme I need help,were did the get the infomation on this line

"The sage was also the one who found the young Xehanort, on the brink of death, in the aftermath of a great battle by those who used Keyblades to fight"

that is amazing,everyone who reads this is instatly going to jump to the conclution that the "gardian" from the kh2 secret ending is xhenort. This is to awsome.

sincerly luis

A Grave Mistake

and to state which game(s) the character is in. but lets say the character is in one game only than the second variation is better but not with multiple games. Does anyone understand? Anyone, anyone? -Azul 22:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

You could just make KHII a level 2 headline and make the rest level 3 headlines. --Hecko X 04:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Only one to die on screen

One part in Trivia says Ansem the Wise is the only friendly character in the series to die on screen. But Axel turns remotley friendly in Betwixt and Between, and he died on screen?

Kairi's grandfather

On the slight possibility that she is a blood relative of Kairi, why does this article mention she might be Kairi's grandpa? wouldn't biological father be just as likey?

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R~R - --Lord of all things Death Note and Kingdom Hearts 02:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC) TALK - What is up? Hello

He's would have to be her father. He would look old, like Kairi's Grandmother if he was her grandfather.--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 15:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Kairi would've easily gone past Riku's restraint when Ansem was about to die, if there were any biological relations. Think about it. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

she might not remember.

Come on, just because someone doesn't remember doesn't mean that he/she can't be moved with pity to that of a parent-child relationship ! Technically, if you look at it, a parent-child relationship is by instinct, that is to say, there will be some special bond between the two, even if they don't even know it. If there had actually been such a bond even if Kairi wasn't "fathered" by Ansem the Wise, she'd have gone past Riku's restraint. Xehanort also said that "he took a girl from Radiant Garden" - by saying "a girl" he did not necessarily mean "a princess". And you don't have to be a Princess to be a Princess of Heart. Take a look at Alice, for instance. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... She's right, you know. Just because you're a Princess of Heart, doesn't really mean you need to be a princess for real. Alice was picked because of her pure heart and Kairi, too. And by the Ansem's report, it says he took a girl from Radiant Garden! Took! He didn't actually said his granddaughter, did he?

that was Xehanort's Heartless (who for Kingdom hearts and Com was known as "Ansem") and familial bonds aren't automatic.If I never knew who my father was (or anything from before I was 5) than I wouldn't bond over the course of a minute.It would take months,years of getting to know each other.

Getting to know each other is greater than just a humane act of saving the other's life. Also, you have the Princess of Heart fact to deal with, if you wanna argue about Kairi's "royal" bloodline. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Humane act is one thing,But king mickey and Riku would have certainly known more about him and didn't do Squat

Think carefully : Mickey and Riku would've known more about him, yes, and so would Squall. But if that were really the case, wouldn't Squall have revealed more about Kairi to Sora when they were together in the Small House ? Ansem wouldn't have disclosed this information if there were no links in the first place. Also, in his Secret Reports, he refers to Kairi like he would Riku and Sora. There was absolutely no difference between them. Surely a father would've had a greater degree of affection ! Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Most father haven't been betrayed by their disciples,Been impersonated with everyone beleiving them to be the bad guy(why couldn't Squall tell that Xehanort wasn't really ansem if you think Mr.Lionheart was so close to ansem the wise.)most fathers wouldn't have been locked away in a realm of absolute nothing with their own daughter not remembering them,and nothing but the power of darkness and a lust for revenge to their name. "I was...Obsessed with thoughts of revenge.My apprentices stole everything precious to me,my research, and my pride."

In the last report, then, his tone is more subdued because Sora is almost restored, and Ansem the Wise shows his affection for Radiant Garden. Even in that "forgive me" moment, even when he let go of his revenge and got back all his old emotions, he still didn't distinguish between Sora, Riku and Kairi. If at that high point in time he still can't remember his daughter, something must be seriously wrong somewhere. Or, it's not the father. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

even then he states that his revenge is still on-going.he asked for forgiveness but didn't state he was going to stop. and perhaps after everything that happened,after all he lost,maybe he just couldn't rub salt in the wound

Couldn't rub salt in the wound ? Calling upon Mickey was just as bad, if the two were very close friends. This is more like a law class where we have to prove evident ties of love and affection before even actually proving that there is a familial relationship... darn Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

that is more difficult when one of the parties doesn't remember said ties. i suggest waiting for BBS