Talk:Heart

Is it really correct to assume that heart is connected with memories? Roxas is considered unique among Nobodies in that he doesn't remember his previous life, so we can say that most Nobodies do remember when they had a heart. Thus, memories seem to be stored within the soul. If I remember correctly, there has been a mention of people remembered within the heart. Maybe memories of events are stored within the soul, while people known and feelings go to the heart? - EclipseDragon 16:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe back-up memories are stored in the soul, which is why Nobodies remember things, like emotions, but the Heart is the main source for memories, emotions and people. Adam148 17:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

This could make sense. Like, souls would have memories as we have them in real world, just as reminiscences of the past, and hearts would contain "live" memories, which would both serve as the reminiscences and do all these crazy things like resonating and linking one person to another. Correct me if I missed anything canon in my theories, it's been a while since I last played any kind of Kingdom Hearts. EclipseDragon 19:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

yeah but then your saying that nobodies have no memory but the past but thats not true because they do have memory i'm not sure exactly at what you mean by "live" memory, live memory could be anything, are you talking about like short term memory, memory of the moment because if you are then your saying that nobodies don't have this which isnt true, they wouldnt be able to take in any new information which they do, they conduct experientments and they know what they are which wouldn't be achieved without a live or short term memory, they wouldnt be able to store new informationPhade Paradox 21:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

No, no, that's not at all what I meant. I suppose I didn't make myself specific enough. I theorized that the Nobodies may have normal memories of events that had happened, but without a heart, these memories wouldn't be able to do all the fancy things hearts do with them, like linking people together (For instance, when in KHII the real Twilight Town's gang seemed to remember Roxas/Sora, or when at the very beginning of CoM Sora's memories made his friends from Traverse Town remember his name without even knowing it, and it's said in the Reports that there are ways in which heart works that haven't been fully understood). In other words, Nobodies' memory only serves as memory for their personal use, while a normal person with a heart would also be linked through his or her memories to others. That would certainly fit into all the talk about hearts blending together, etc. And memories that can link a person to other people are what I called "live". So, in essence, souls and hearts remember in just the same way, but hearts also do metaphysical things souls alone are unable to do. Of course, it's also possible that I'm thinking about it way too much;P. Hope I at least made my point clearer than last time. - EclipseDragon 21:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

yeah that makes more sense - Phade Paradox 22:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... Well with the argument about memories... The argument "Why do Nobodies have memories if memories are kept in the heart?" reminds me of "Why can Roxas wield the Keyblade without have a heart?". I suppose memories are connected with more than just the heart in this context. The benefits and "linkage" of memories might be within the heart, but the physical, neurological synapses are within the soul. I dont think heartless are corrupted hearts.I mean they´re called Heartless so they cant have a heart. Summon:WALL•E 05:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually it isn't that heartless have no hearts, it's that the heartless is a heart in which the essence of darkness within the heart has overpowered the light and taken over control. In essence, a heartless is a heart in which the balance of light and dark has shifted in favour of the darkness and the light loses its control. That is why when a heartless is killed by a keyblade, the darkness releases its grip and the heart is then freed and returns to Kingdom Hearts as seen in KHII.

Hey, do you think we should add something about the art of heart release? I find it to be mildly confusing while some find it completely confusing. From what I know, hearts are only released by the keyblade. The thing is, I saw some cutscene clips that involved Cloud and Sephiroth "killing" heartless, and hearts came out. Would that mean that the hearts are released? Or would they become heartless again, like Marluxia said in 358/2 days? Or is it possible that only Nobodies cannot release hearts with their weapons? Maybe anybody with a heart and a weapon (w/ a weapon, because when the Beast killed the neoshadows in 358/2, they didnt have a heart appear) can release them?--RyuuseiSoul 23:28, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Heart Collection

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 12:32, November 29, 2009 (UTC) I've added a section detailing Heart Collection from Days to KHII. I'm not sure, however, if we should make any mention in the section about any hearts released in CoM or KH1...

We can actually mention it, but since not much is said about how hearts are collected and who collects hearts, we can mention it in brief. In Chain I don't think anything's mentioned about this, for that matter. So the best would be KH1. Sora witnesses first-hand how hearts are consumed by darkness, and we also notice that everytime a boss is defeated, there's a heart released. Where this goes to, there's no mention. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 12:52, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 13:01, November 29, 2009 (UTC) Well, one could assume that they went to the true Kingdom Hearts. It was at the end when all Emblem bosses were defeated that Roxas was born. After that point, the only things left were Chernabog and Ansem. It seems unreasonable that Xemnas could get these hearts, and in CoM, hearts ARE released, but only by the memory Heartless so I guess that makes them false hearts. In terms of storyline, Roxas was collecting hearts in the true world while Sora fought in Castle Oblivion.

So I suppose that the hearts went to the artificial KH once Roxas was born ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 13:04, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 13:07, November 29, 2009 (UTC) Well no... he was welcomed and his training began at that point, as the CoM members were still alive. So he was collecting in KH1 up until their scripted death mentions in Days.

Missing Sections

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 13:07, November 29, 2009 (UTC) I think we should make mention of the legend of the heart and the worlds, as well as Ansem's research. Objections?

None, because I did exactly the same thing on KHFR. Unless we speak of this in the Heartless article... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 13:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 17:18, November 29, 2009 (UTC) Okay. It's all done. Thanks. I hope my work is satisfactory. I wasn't sure what I added was Heading-worthy, so this is all sub-headings.

Heart Release + Connection to Memory

How/where could/would we phrase this? The heart IS connected to memory, hence Castle Oblivion and all that memory/emotion junk. As for heart release, Keyblade wielders are the only ones who can release hearts...yet non-Keyblade wielders like the other Org. members, Sephiroth, and others can cause hearts to appear as well. - EternalNothingnessXIII 17:57, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, the heart is connected to memory, no doubt. Even though non-Keyblade wielders can cause hearts to appear, these hearts soon form other Heartless. As for Keyblade wielders, the hearts go straight up to Kingdom Hearts. See the difference now ? TNÉ _{Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥} 00:06, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Birth by Sleep

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 05:48, February 19, 2010 (UTC) So Birth by Sleep has made this "fun", for lack of a better word. I have added what little connection to the heart there is for the Unversed, and wanted to add something about how a heart can join with another, as seen with Terra and Xehanort, Terra and Master Eraqus, and Sora and Ventus. I'm just not sure how. A little help, please?

Lemme think... If I write it in the style of the article, it should be... Eh, I thought there already was a paragraph on it ? It reads : Hearts are also able to merge with others or be split, as seen when both Master Xehanort and Master Eraqus join hearts with Terra, and when Ventus's heart merges with Sora's. A much later instance of this would be Kairi's heart merging with Sora's during his first journey. They can be split to produce an embodiment of either the light or the darkness, as seen when Master Xehanort produces Vanitas by unlocking the darkness of Ventus's heart. Hearts can also be merged to create unique Keyblades, major examples being the X-Blade and the Keyblade of Peoples' Hearts. These Keyblades ultimately grant access to Kingdom Hearts, the grandest of hearts, itself. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 10:58, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 15:36, February 20, 2010 (UTC) Yeah... I sorta wrote that thinking I wouldn't get a response to this post >_>

An actual Heart

A thing that bugs me that I think is never said in the series is that do charactars in the KH universe have normal blood pumping organ hearts, does anyone have an answer?Avatar symbiote 13:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)Avatar symbiote

Hearts in the KH universe aren't as physical as they are spiritual or symbolic. The actual organ, I'd say everyone but the Heartless and Unversed has. maggosh 15:23, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Xemnas

If I recall correctly, the interview in question states something like "we don't know whether Xemnas can wield a Keyblade, only that he didn't.""We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:45, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Found it!. Nomura-sensei said, "I'd rather that point remain a mystery. It's possible that he intentionally wasn't using one." The implication is there, but it's still not completely confirmed.--NinjaSheik 04:24, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Sentence Change

Shouldn't the sentence: "Hearts either become trapped in monstrous shells, as in the case of Emblem Heartless, or physically shattered and rearranged to create those monsters, as with Pureblood Heartless" be changed? (This sentence is in the "When a Heart is Broken" section btw). Pureblood Heartless are born from the darkness in people's hearts, not shattered and rearranged hearts. --Elfdemon (talk) 08:44, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Really, this whole edit needs to be reviewed for whether the citations support it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:36, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Specifically, we need to start listing citations from the scripts and Ultimania to correct this page. Anyone who's interested in helping, do so below. See Talk:Heartless for an example."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:02, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Unversed

"Unlike Heartless and Nobodies (which can be swayed to serve another should their will prove stronger or become unruly in in worlds close to the darkness), Unversed are completely obedient to their master as they are extensions of Vantias himself. Because of such, the Unversed lack any interst in hearts themselves, but are drawn to strong sources of negativity and pure lights."

What about the Spirit of the Magic Mirror?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:30, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Vanitas

Hearts can regrow entirely new bodies for themselves to inhabit as long as they have a medium to help rebuild their body and someone who has memories of them. The medium can be of different things as shown with Sora, who used Kairi's heart; Master of Masters, who used the Keyblade No Name, and Vanitas, who used Ventus's body.

What's the context for this? As in, when was it stated Vanitas grew a new body? Or is this talking about his formation in the first place? -- mikoto 04:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

If it is about his creation, there wouldn't be anyone with memories of him, right? I think it's best to remove it unless someone can provide a source. TheSilentHero 17:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)