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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Welcome to my talk page, ladies and gentlemen. If you wish to have a long chat with me, come to IRC Channel, but you can also leave messages here. I like proper grammar, so please use it when you're here.}} | | {{NinjaSheik|text=Welcome to my talk page! At the moment, I'm currently semi-active on the KHWiki, but the best place for you to reach me would be on the KHWiki's Discord, or you can also leave messages here on my current talk page.}} |
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| ==Meep?== | | ==Hello== |
| {{TNE|time=20:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)|text=Hey, how're you doin'? I thought I'd check in on you. It has been a while. ^_^}}
| | Hello my old friend, Shiek it has been a long time sorry I have been so distant, I hope everything has been doing well with you. It is amazing how fast time goes by. I am interested to know what changes you have gone through over the years, your growth and anything your willing to share. My life has been rather dull over the years, boat loads of struggling and wanting to move up but finding constant roadblocks in my path to success.--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] ([[User talk:The Dark Master|talk]]) 23:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC) |
| {{NinjaSheik|happy=Ah, Mademoiselle<!--Lol, it's been a while since I called you this! XD--> TNE! What a pleasant surprise! I'm doing fine! I'm currently on summer break, so I'm spending most of my time watching shows, movies, reading books, writing fanfics, and other things I wasn't able to do because of collage. Ah, collage is so tiring, espcially since my collage is facing budget cuts, so things are hectic! I still have things to for it over break, too, so that's a drag. Mostly, though, I've been sleeping in until noon (no joke there XD), which is nice. :) I try to be more active on the wikis I edit, but for the past few days, I've been cleaning my room (summer cleaning!) and my school bag. My family members keep me busy and stuff. :P How're about you? I see you a lot more active on the wiki when I visit! You fallen right back into place, like you never left! :D It's really good to have you back.}}
| | :Oh, hey, Dark Master. Apologies for the late response, I'm not on the wiki as much since I'm kinda semi-retired to focus more on other things and IRL responsibilities. I'm doing well, and glad to see you're doing well, too. Nothing much to really report outside of the wiki, aside from just getting by in our crazy times. Just doing my best to get through it all, same as anyone else. Hope you're keeping safe and striving well.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC) |
| {{TNE|time=20:57, 6 June 2015 (UTC)|text=<!--I know right?-->I get what you mean about college having budget cuts; universities across Britain had these and I remember when Uni Hertfordshire had strikes. I've finished my studies now, and I've since been engaged, as you may or may not have heard around the grapevine. ^_- Apart from that, I'm taking things one day at a time at this point... Been sick, and there are even greater things I worry about that perhaps I shouldn't worry about...
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| Sometimes, being on the wiki keeps me sane, sometimes it gives me a headache (you know, you can only see userbox images for a certain period of time before your head starts spinning XD). Been making music, and finding better means to produce and record. Doing the occasional drawing, and piece of writing, and concentrating a lot on human rights these days. I'm happy to be back, and I certainly hope that I will continue being here.<!--The reason why I say all this is well... There is something that I've only told a few users, like, a select few, but to put a long story short, my freedoms are at stake, and so is my life. It'd probably scare anyone out of his five wits, and perhaps I'm being brash about it, but... yeah.-->}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah, a lot of the students are really concerned about it. We had protest rallies, too. What's going to happen to my university is going to be announced over the summer; that's what the teachers and faculty staff says anyway. It's going to rise our tuition and might change our class schedule, which will be pained since the collage is already "understaffed" and "under-enrolled" (according to rumors). So, yeah... Collage's not so great. I'm passing all of my classes, but spring semester was really hard! I had three of the worst teachers I ever had in my entire life, and I'm amazed that I passed my classes! Ugh... T _ T Basically, I'm burnt out and I'm currently recharging over the summer, though my mother wants me to stop sleeping till noon, but that can't be helped. Gotta get as much sleep in while you can, right? XD
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| Oh, seriously?! Well, then, CONGRATULATIONS! :D
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| I finished marathon-ing the movies I wanted to watch last week and the TVs, like ''Daredevil'' (it's produced by Netflix so I had to watch that online) and some of the animes I like. I took a break from reading and writing a week back because my head started to spin. I'm still editing, of course, but I still have responsibilities, so my freedom is still restricted by household chores.<!--By the way, you mentioned something about freedom at stake? :( What's going on?-->}}
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| {{TNE|time=22:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)|text=<!--You know what my origin is, right? Well, back where I grew up, I was a dissident. I still am. I wrote articles as a teenager but never really mentioned them here because I had no cause to. Well, the authorities where I grew up are cracking down heavily on the slightest dissent, calling it treason, and.... you can figure out the rest. I'd been so afraid of mentioning it for several years 1. Because of being called a traitor, and 2. When I did try to open up about this to a number of my uni friends, well, they just told me to shut up. I'm an asylum seeker now, and my fiancé knows about this and is with me all the way.--> Cheers. ^_^
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| Sleep is a good thing to have, but even I get carried away with it. No, I don't sleep in until noon... but yes, I do make others bewildered at the amount of sleep I have. I should cut down on it...}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Lol, yeah, it's bad. I usually wake up around 11:30, but sometimes around 12:00. I'm a very restless sleeper, so I usually don't fall asleep until over two o'clock. My little brother plays a lot of games til two, and he yells loudly. Plus, the AC is strictly controlled by grandparents, so it's blazing hot at night and I can't sleep because I fan myself all night. Ugh, it's terrible... T _ T
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| <!--Hmm, I remember you mentioning something about your country a few times in the past, but I don't remember anything in full details. In retrospect, you and I always maintain a cordial relationship, so I'm not privy to the details of your origins, But it's sounds awful! It's wonderful your fiancé is supportive of you, but I can't imagine how hard it mus be for you. :( Have you ever considered moving someplace else?-->}}
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| {{TNE|time=06:57, 7 June 2015 (UTC)|text=<!--I've considered it, yes, if push comes to shove.--> I'm answering this message when it's nearly 8:00 and I feel too sleepy for my own good... but it goes to show how much I like my sleep.
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| Unfortunately for everyone else's sanity, I also scream and swear at my console.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=<!--Ah, if you considered it, then do you have any ideas where you to go? The U.S, for example--> Lol! XD I always stay up late because it takes me so long to sleep.}}
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| {{TNE|time=20:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)|text=I feel your pain. But these upcoming days are early rises for me. <!--Possibly Ireland...-->}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=<!--Ireland, huh? Interesting choice.-->Sometimes when I do wake up early, I'm usually lazy and just lounge in my bed reading books or play on my phone if I can't fall back asleep before I decide to get up, usually around noon.}}
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| == Archives ==
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| {{TheSilentHero|time=12:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)|layton=Hey, I saw on the RC that you wanted an easier way to add archives to your talk page. You can just make a page/template to hold your archive box, put that on your archived talk pages, and when you change that page, it changes on all your archives. For example, I have mine [[User:TheSilentHero/Archives|here]].}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Ah, good idea! :D I was actually entertaining that idea yesterday, because I remember the page/template we do for our talk bubbles. Thanks, TheSilentHero.}}
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| == FFVIII ==
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| The hype is real. Now this whole wiki holds their breath for SE's conference tomorrow. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :WHERE DID YOU HEAR ABOUT IT NINJA!? {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 12:13, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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| Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see your messages until I shut down my laptop! I heard the news at Anime News Network! It was announced last night, and I checked the Kickstarter for ''Shenmue III''! AND GUESS WHAT!? THIS WAS JUST RELEASED! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1DVdHfajmI LOOK]!!!! Kya, Young Xehanort and Master Eraqus are so cute and beautiful as teenagers! They sound great, too! And it seems there was a trailer out for [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhTHjWpefg ''Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ''], too.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:04, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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| == Message From The Goldpanner-dom ==
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| {{Keyblade0|time=[[User:Keyblade0|Keyblade0]] ([[User talk:Keyblade0|talk]])|text= Hello, NinjaSheik! I bring you a message from goldpanner! He wants to communicate with you via email about the translations of the director's report. <!--The email is: khgoldpanner (at) gmail.com--> (hopefully that won't let any bots find and spam the address... ^^") }}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Oh, hello! Thank you for informing, though I am a bit confused. I did PM him<!--So Goldpanner is a boy? I didn't know that...Oops--> privately over LJ, but emails is fine, too. Oh, and please pardon me, but I hid his email address. Someone's email addresses isn't something you be displaying on the Internet so freely, after all.}}
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| ==Fannotation==
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| [[w:c:kingdomhearts:User_blog:TheBlueRogue/Contribute_Your_Facts_to_the_Kingdom_Hearts_3_Trailer_Fannotation|Contribute Your Facts to the Kingdom Hearts 3 Trailer Fannotation]]. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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| Thanks for telling me, but I'm not really into that sort of stuff. Besides, Neumz-senpai already started a notes page so users can put in their observations from the trailer.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :But what ever is put in the comments gets made into a video {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::In which case, I think it'd be a good idea you use the notes on Neumz-senpai's page. I think everyone pretty charted down their observations in the trailer already.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:27, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Well yes but its not my material to put on i would need permission for it. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::I'm sure he wouldn't mind if you asked, and I don't think he'll say no. The Keyhole and this wiki are sister sites, after all. There's nothing wrong with sharing information. :)--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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| == Great job! ==
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| {{neumannz|time=21:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)|happy=You are doing an amazing job on the VA roundup! Thank you so much!}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Thanks! :D I'm only doing it, because I know no one else will. But it's so tiring and frustrating... T _ T I'm actually surprised that most of these VAs/agents have responded to me. Most of the time, they wouldn't even bother with stuff like that. Not to mention, it's really hard to track down VAs with no personal website or contact information, going to a barren and/or probably sketchy site with doubtful information, and no company/agency to their names. Even if I did find a source that lists them under a company, I have to find the company and browse through their webpages to see their employees just to check if there are under them. Even if they're not, I still contact the company just to make sure. Some VAs that do have websites (Ari Rubin & Erin Cottrell) have literally nothing on them or just redirects me to IMDB, which is unreliable (seriously, how do people do it? So far, all voices checked out correctly).
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| Senpai, by the way, who on the wiki has access to a Twitter or Instagram account? Someone needs to PM Ross Thomas to confirm Sam Flynn and Erin Cottrell (which I spent another hour tracking) has a Google Plus account, which I tried contacting her, but it seems like she isn't active there a lot. [https://twitter.com/erin_cottrell She has a Twitter, though].}}
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| Sorry to butt in the conversation, but after KSM left he relinquished the google plus account to me. If you'd like, I can give you manager rights if you like (especially because I need help with running it). {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 10:02, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Oh, right. I completely forgot the Wiki has one. Unfortunately, though, I can't say I'm interested. ^_^; I normally don't even use my Google Account. I was forced to create it for a class back in middle school, and ever since, I just use it as a backup account. I'm not even familiar with the latest features. Therefore, I must politely declined.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:19, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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| == Sephiroth Edit ==
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| I noticed that you removed the "Tifa" link on the Sephiroth page with the edit summary of "Cloud I get, but why Tifa? She didn't fight Sephiroth." Were you referring to FFVII or KH? She did have a run in with Sephiroth and a small fight with him in KHII when you go back to get Cloud to meet Sephiroth. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:28, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ''KHII''. Yeah, that's true, but not as official gameplay-wise battle.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :Gotcha, I was just curious about that. Thanks for clearing that up! {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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| No problem. :)--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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| == Help Request ==
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| {{ENX|time=03:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)|text=Hey there! Long time, no chat! I hope you are well and that the school year has started off on a high note for you!
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| I was wondering if you could give me some assistance; as you may know, I'm trying to start "Project Cutscene" and create the tables for each game's cutscenes, as can be seen through a work-in-progress example in [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sandbox|my Sandbox]]. The purpose of this project is to trim down [[Theater Mode]]; the Theater Mode page is to act as a hub for a list of sub-pages, and these sub-pages will contain the tables displaying each game's respective scenes.
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| I have extracted a series of files from ''KHHD'', specifically the ''Days'' film: for the purpose of the model in my Sandbox (what I plan to use in order to get the project green-lighted), I have only gotten screenshots to illustrate the descriptions of scenes from the DS version of ''Days''. It is my aim, however, to one day get screenshots for all of the cutscenes that were added in ''KHHD''.
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| I was going to upload these files to the Wiki and use them in my model, but I was not sure what to name them, since we have technical duplicates of some files I grabbed, and so-on. If you have the time, I would really appreciate it if you could tell me what each of the following files needs to be called:
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| *[http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/TheFinalFantasyXD/media/ScreenShot2015-02-14at25246AM_zps1e842c41.png.html?sort=3&o=27 1]
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| Once the names have been given, I shall upload these to the Wiki and place them in my model table. I hope you are one of the fellow staffers who chooses to support me in Project Cutscene! Thanks in advance; wish me luck as I tackle all the other games after this (since I seem to be stuck working alone) :P}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I was going to answer you, but then I saw the message on your user page and talk page. I don't know what happened yet (still sorting through my mail), but at the very least, I wanna say that I'm sorry to see you go.}}
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| {{ENX|time=23:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)|hooded=I'm popping in to respond to your message; see [[Forum:The Singular "They"]], specifically Kryten's exchange with me. I don't want to leave this place (I enjoy editing, as self-destructive as it seems to be for me), but I'm tired of disagreeing with people who have more say on things here and unknowingly digging deep holes for myself at the same time. Please respond to my message on The Keyhole. That is where I will be for the time being.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I saw and commented on on the forum. Anyway, there's no need for me to go the Keyhole. I think what I would say regarding this situation would only upset you further.}}
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| {{ENX|time=00:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)|text=About that, I advise you check the forum again. I'm back again, so that help I requested would be appreciated :)
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| I hope there are no hard feelings between us.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Well, it's good that you to apologize.
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| As for what you requested, here's my answer: I must politely decline. Because of college, I'm not going to have the time to help on such a project. My advice is that you create a forum and see if any of the other users are willingly to help you.
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| We're good, but please, do watch your actions.}}
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| {{ENX|time=00:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)|text=I was not asking you to help me with the whole project. I just wanted to know what I would upload the images as so that we wouldn't have to worry about moving a ton of things. If you cannot aid me with that, then fine. Good luck with college.
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| The thing about OCD is that it's hard to tell if I acted because of it until after the damage has been done. But I promise you, as a friend, what I promise everyone I care about: I will do the best I can, as often as I can, to keep things in check.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I can't help with the naming thing at the moment. I would just say to name them as simple, concise as possible.
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| I hope so. Please do your best. Keeping your emotions in check is vital on being part of a community. OCD can't be an excuse every time something like this happens, after all. Regardless of whatever issues you may have, everyone needs to be treated equally on a wiki.}}
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| {{ENX|time=03:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)|text=That's fine. And well, I believe we have a naming policy for HD images, and that's where it gets confusing, since some scenes appear in multiple games.
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| I agree 100% that equal treatment for all is a must. I'm not using OCD as a crutch or "free pass." What I'm doing is alerting the community to its presence within me so that "Why do you always take things so personally, ENX?" is never asked again.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Everyone in the community pretty much knows about your OCD when you first announced it, so there really isn't any need for you to alert it. We're both in agreement that OCD shouldn't be used as a "free pass" for anything. For that, I am glad. No matter what our relationship is, if there ever comes a time when you act out again, I cannot just it slide. I'm going to do my duty as a user and admin properly, and enforce proper punishment on you. From editing on so many wikis, I've learned to leave my personal feelings and opinions out the matter when decisions should be made regarding a user who has done or said something that goes against the wiki's policies.
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| One of the best thing about the KHWiki is that we don't have problems like other wikis do. Even though our community is small, I'm happy that everyone can also discuss things calmly. If things get bad, we can talk it out and resolve everything peacefully in the end. And I don't want to be on another wiki where its community condones misbehavior and abuse from a user just because of personal feelings, problems, or just because he/she helps out a wiki, you know?}}
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| ==Invitation==
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| Hey there, Ninja, this is an invitation for you to take part in our [[KHWiki:End of Year Event 2015|end of year event]]! You can sign up as either a participant or a judge and it'd be great if you could come aboard. Thanks! {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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| :Last chance to be a judge! Sure you don't want to sign up and complete the judging panel? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:51, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Oh, I completely forgot to reply to this message! Sorry! I just got done with school on Friday, so I'm a bit burnt out. ^__^; Hmm, a judge? I typically don't invest in myself on anything relating to competition, but since I have a lot more time now, sure. I'll be a judge. :)--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:15, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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| == EoYE 2015 ==
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| Hello! This message is to let you know that the entries for the EoYE 2015 are ready for scoring! In each folder you will find the entries for each team and the scoring sheet. Please ignore the excel document in each folder. If there are any questions, feel free to let me know. Please send the results ASAP. Repsponses are due by Janurary 7th. Any responses not recorded by the 7th will not count towards the score. Happy judging! {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 07:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC) <!-- https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-5vzblHDko9YUo0QnlWYmhndDA&usp=sharing -->
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| Yo. :) Thanks for messaging about it. I was wondering when we were going to do this. This my time being a judge and I do have a Gmail account, I created way back in middle school because of a class, so I have don't use it. How do I edit the Judge Submissions?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:23, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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| ==We need you!==
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| April's Twilight Times issue will coincide with the wiki's 10th anniversary and to celebrate, we're putting together a special themed issue based around our wiki and its history. This is a reminder for you to check out the [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki:Journalist_Spot Journalist Spot], contribute your ideas and sign up to as many pieces as you offer! {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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| Ah, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll have a look at it. :) Though, I don't know if I can really contribute anything. ^^; I'm pretty busy with college, but we'll see.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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| == HAPPY BIRTHDAY! ==
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)|dango=Have a good day! And nice coincidence that you share a birthday with the wiki and Square Enix (and also my mother!) :P}}
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| {{TheSilentHero|time=21:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)|cloud=Happy birthday!}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|happy=Aww, thank you, guys!
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| @TheFifteenthMember: Lol, it's actually pretty cool sharing my birthday with them! And your mother, too? That's cool! My aunt's and grandmother's birthdays are in April, too, only a few days after mine. :)}}
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| HAPPY BIRTHDAY YO! {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 22:32, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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| Thank you, Chainoffire! :D--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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| == Problem! ==
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| {{Webber22|text=No! No! NOOOOO! Not the Stiff-Upper Lip Speech! A stern talking-to... It's my greatest weakness! I promise I'll behave.... I promise! It's just...it's just, I had a...a very difficult childhood. My parents had unrealistic expectations. My mother wanted me to be a theoretical physicist. My father wanted me to play the accordion for a Balkan turbofolk band. I wanted to be a world famous jewel thief. None of these happened! NOOONE!!! So...I'm sorry, but sometimes...I come off a little bit rude as a result. I guess you could say I don't shag the leaves. But, all the same....I like to think I didn't turn out so bad! Like, for example, I'm not a huge internet drama queen. Like, I don't go around various sites, like Gamefaqs, and pick random fights with people for no reason. I don't go out of my way to make my peers look like asses. And...and I don't try and always be contrarian. So, I can't be all that bad....right? RIGHT!?!?! .''.....Right?''}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I don't appreciate your tone, nor you making light of my response to your rudeness. Your inability to take my reply to your issue with me seriously, especially since you were the one who expressed animosity towards me - which the wiki does not allow, as you have been warned previously by other users - quite frankly, offends me even more. Your idea of an "apology" doesn't quite aligns with mine. In fact, your behavior reminds very much of what a troll would say and do. You expressed enmity to me for something I have not done based on a prior experience that makes you believe I am "unworthy" of being user here, for I hold not real "authority" or opinions. I approached you to discuss the matter, only for you to turn it into a joke. So unless you are willingly to cooperate with me in order to fix the issue between us, please do not post mockery onto my talk page.}}
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| {{Webber22|text=Mockery? I'm hurt. It really does look like you're actively looking for reasons to get offended, just so you can start shit and feel justified over it. "Overreacting" is putting it mildly. Now, pray tell, why should I have to put up with that? Especially given ''your'' track record with starting trouble all over the fanbase. I may have pissed off a person or two, but you slighted ''entire communities'' over literally ''nothing''. Pure rubbish and absolute drama. I came here to propose a civil compromise stemming from the truth that you aren't the shining bright spot you present yourself as, and to twig you to the fact that you need to ''lighten up''. Instead, you just get even more pissy. You feed and thrive off of victimization when something doesn't align with you, and with that, I want no part of it. Contrary to what your parents may have told to you when you were a kid, ''the planets don't orbit around you''. They orbit this really bright shiny thing called the "Sun." You can see it during the day when you look up - can't miss it. And since we're on the topic of realistic expectations, I should also probably mention that Santa Clause isn't real. And neither is the Tooth Fairy - well, sort of. She doesn't actually take your baby teeth, but rather she's a succubus that bites the money-makers off of unfaithful men and wears them like a tribal necklace. Horrifying! Like I said, ''realistic expectations''. So with that, I'm ''realistically expecting'' you to get off your high horse and behave like a normal person. If you don't, well....hah, I honestly can't do much about it! Even a stern talking-to from myself would be moot, which I admit this kind of sort of is. But you can ''realistically expect'' the world to kick your ass something fierce when you actually set your first foot in it. Oh, and don't call me a troll - that word lacks any meaning here. Well, actually, it DOES have one - a troll is someone who says something that you don't like. Which, I suppose, I am! But keep in mind: ''The universe doesn't revolve around you or your opinions.'' In fact, pretty much no one cares for them. ''You were lied to''. So with that, I'm done. Don't bother replying, because I won't bother to carry on debating a useless bunch of nothing with you. You can either be Dwight Schrute or Oscar Martinez. Just keep in mind, if you decide to be the former, people will ''really not like you''. And you'd have absolutely no right to get offended or pissed off when they voice it.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|angry=Excuse me, but where, exactly, is all of this coming from? I'm trying to resolve an issue, but here you are, sprouting accusations at me and nonsense. If you have an issue with me, then please state it so we can resolve it. }}
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| {{Webber22|text=I ''did'' just state it. ''All of the above''. And where the hell do you get off on ''tattling''? "Personally attacking you?" Good lord above. If I were to want to ask you a question and poke you on the arm to get your attention, would you press charges for ''aggravated assault'' too? When someone says "Take a chill pill", you should know, ''there's an actual chill pill''. It's called Diazepam. But.......don't actually do that. Valium's got some weird side-effects, and has certain quirks for individuals - from psychological to physiological. So instead...''.just eat a pudding or something''. Now, with that, ''reflect''. Do some self-actualization. Hopefully, you'll find the root of it all. ....Honestly. Attacking you? What the hell's wrong with you? Pretty soon, I'm going to be accused for violating your fifth amendment by ''requesting a response.''}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=No, in fact, you didn't. Please provide examples to what you're referring to. Also, I didn't have to "tattle" to anyone. You're posting these attacks on a public talk page. By the time I contacted users to consult the matter with, they already saw what you posted. And by continuing to be disrespectful and downright hostile in your messages, you're just making matters worse for yourself. Again, where is all this coming from, because it seems to me you know that I edit on other wikias, but I never even seen you before you came onto the KHWiki. Between the two of us, you're the one who is overreacting based on what you're putting on my talk page for the whole community to see. As I said many times already, if you have a problem with me, please address it, with solid evidence.}}
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| {{Webber22|text=Here we go again. With the "attacks." This is complete nonsense, so I'm gonna treat it as such. Please don't pester me again.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=No, it is not "nonsense". The wiki encourages users to address issues between them to work together in order to avoid future disputes and learn to cooperate with one another. You were the once who insulted me, after I approached you in order to get to bottom of your hostility. Instead, you come onto my talk page, slandered me, and then disregard this issue as nonsense with no explanation whatsoever about your animosity towards me. Therefore, you made matters between you and me more serious. I am not going to disregard this as "nonsense", and your inability to realize that you have personally attacked me is making the situation harder to come to a solution.}}
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| I don't agree with Webber that you did anything unreasonable on the April Fool's page. What I'm saying is that, regardless of your intentions, Webber still feels like he was ganged up on and attacked, and if we're going to resolve this situation in a peaceable way, it's important to recognize that instead of treating him like he just wants to troll. I definitely agree that he has been unacceptably and pointedly rude, and definitely has to make amends for that. But both editors involved in this are sincere editors who desire to make valuable contributions to the wiki, not vandals or trolls.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:47, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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| Ganged up where? You mean with the case between me and Webber22? Or are you referencing back to prank's page? 'Cause the way I read it, no one was ganged up on. Like I said, if you see something I oversaw over there, we can go over it. The page has not been manipulated, as far as I know, since the TheSilentHero's comment about restoring it. If you're referring to the case between me and Webber22, I wanted to talk and resolve things with Webber22 without things escalating, but it was Webber22 who threw insults at me from the get-go. I understand what you're saying about us being editors who just want to make the wiki better and all, but making good edits shouldn't be used an excuse or a crutch to get away with bad behavior. I've seen other communities (rather idiotic ones, truth be told) who uses the whole "hey-he-or-she-makes-great-edits-lol-who-cares-if-he-or-she-said-this-what-a-joke" let users who exhibit hostile behavior to stay on the wiki. Thing is, this whole matter between me and Webber22 has escalated past the point of a simple "Did X insult Y, and should be punished for it?", because I realized something after going through Webber22's previous block logs and the reasons behind them. So, I begin asking the question, "How many times is the wiki going to allow a user to come back on the wiki and knock others down until a line is drawn?" Basically, I'm asking how chances is the wiki willingly to give someone (anyone in general, I'm not just talking about Webber22 anymore) seconds, thirds, fourths, fifths chances until we realize the user's behavior has not improved and is still bullying others, and that all we're doing is compromising our ethics to allow said user to come back time and time again? What message does this send to other users, who count on users with "tools", to help them from cases like these? 'Cause our policy doesn't lay that out, and I think that needs to addressed.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:29, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :My personal guideline has been to allow ''any'' user back, so long as they recognize their offense and make amends. Not many do, out of pride, but that's how I roll. And that's my personal belief, not the community's -- if consensus is to stop giving second chances, I'll go along with that. I'm just trying to point out my own, personal belief that we should try to resolve this without embittering people -- and it definitely should be resolved. I admit that I'm not an expert of any kind here, and I apologize that I haven't done a good job of standing up for you in the past.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::I have personal guidelines, too, but with Webber22's history and the fact that the community is divided in opinions on how to handle the situation is conflicting with that. Before, the wiki operated with a simple 3-strikes policy. That's why we have the Warning templates. 3 warnings, and if a user doesn't comply to them, we block/ban them depending on the level of offense. I supported that policy, because it was very fair. I've come onto the wiki when I was really young, and had no idea how a wikia was even run. By observing you guys here (okay, technically, back in when everyone was at the Keyhole), and the countless other wikias all over the web, I've come to learn a lot of things and formed a lot of my own guidelines about how I think a wikia should be run. Even the really bad ones that I never even went to, and only hear users are always trashing on different wikias. I think users can learn a lot of wikias like that, namely on how not to act. Thing is, I agree with you and the wiki's idea about second chances. I know for a fact that users are not always banned because they acted maliciously. In fact, I've seen some users being blocked/banned for lesser reasons, even those with good intentions, but I also learned that when it comes to users who have acted out repeatedly, somewhere down the road, a line has to be drawn. Again, I agree with the idea of seconds chances, "so long as they recognize their offense and make amends", just as you said. But here we are, in a situation where Webber22, in fact, does not acknowledge the offense (see above section) and refuses to make amends. Which brings the question: If the wiki is willingly to allow users the opportunity of a second chance, as long as they have recognize their offense and actively try to be better, then what do we do about the ones who don't? The ones that do not recognize their offense and have no wish to come a peaceful solution, and, moreover, has history of getting banned repeatedly for the exact same reason over and over again? What then? What is the wiki's stance on situations like that? Do we allow these types of users to keep coming back again and again just because they make good edits, only for them to continue acting out against others when their opinions clashes and have the cycle keep repeating? Our policy doesn't say, because we - this wiki - never had to deal with this problem because we're such a small community. And the longer this problem drags on, the more complicated it's gonna be for everyone involve.
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| ::I'm sorry things escalated out of hand like this. Please know that wasn't my intention, as I wanted to have things done more quietly. But if we're gonna talk about personal guidelines, if it was just me and me only, I would've perma-banned Webber22 back when he still an anonymous user for saying those horrible things to Maggosh-kun and Neumz-senpai. Even now, given that he been banned 5 times already for personally attacking users, about 95% of me still says perma-banned him, because it seems that Webber22 had plenty of chances already. But this isn't what I want, after all. This what the community wants, too, because it seems that the issue has become quite a big deal that it had gotten almost every active staff member involved. Everyone on the wiki has their differences, even you and me, Kryten. Honestly, I was always kind of afraid of you (still kind am), but I never hated you and I do, in fact, like talking to you. I can also see that you a good user with good intentions for the wiki. Even when users fight, you tried to mediate, and one of things I liked about the KHWiki is how everyone is able to make up and resolved things peacefully in the end, despite how heated some discussions can go. I think when you left the for a time and asked to be demoted because you couldn't come on due to RL, for example, showed a lot of character in you. I saw that as something very respectable. Most users on wikias probably wouldn't even do that, because they simply like having "power" over others. So, you don't have to apologize for not sticking up to me in the past (I don't think there is anything you have to apologize for, as far as I recall?), but we should focus on the now, because this case between Webber22 and me has really gotten out of hand.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:51, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::I think we should still decide what to do about this. Do we ban him or let him go? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::I agree with you, TheSilentHero. I've been waiting for KrytenKoro to continue the conversation on my talk page, and I kept an eye on ShardofTruth's talk page, too, to see if anyone replies. But it's been two weeks now, I believe, and no one has responded to my questions. I never liked leaving things hanging, but I waited and no one seems to have any interest in continuing the subject. Personally, I still hold onto my belief that Webber22 should be banned. Given Webber22's past offenses, I say that enough is enough, and I really don't like the idea of letting a user who has A.) Refused to acknowledge the attacks while all the while still emitting a hostile attitude and B.) Has been repeatedly banned for the this exact reason, and is still being allowed to edit on the wiki without a proper punishment. Slapping a warning template doesn't sit right with me, because how many times is enough until someone who has slandered many users in the past and has done so again gets banned permanently? I'm asking really serious questions here. But the issue has divided opinions. I'm willingly to compromise, but I still don't like the idea of having a user who has a tendency to insult others and thinking that's okay to edit on the wiki.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:19, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::Although I don't like to (perma-)ban another user, I think if we let him be, it will just be a matter of time before he attacks someone again, considering his track record and total denial of his actions. Besides that, it sends a wrong message to others: "On KHWiki, you can attack other users (and even admins) multiple times and get away with a warning." However, if we decide to not ban him, I will agree, under one condition: The very next time he attacks someone, he will immediately get perma-banned. It may sound a little harsh, but we have to draw a line somewhere. I'll ask Shard and Kryten for their final thoughts on this matter. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::I completely agree with you, TSH. I've seen/heard stuff like this happened before, and the user who's at fault typically gets away with. And, thank you again, by the way. I know I apologized several times, but I'm sorry got you involved in this, but thank you for your input and your attention on the matter.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:19, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::I will admit bias in this statement, because I myself have been banned, repeatedly, for personal attacks, and it's taken a long time for me to get to the point where I try to studiously avoid them (and I still slip up, often). If the consensus isn't behind what I say below -- that's fine, and again, I tend to preach indefinite forgiveness for all but the most obvious bad actors.
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| :::::In my view -- what happened was a spat due to bad blood. Webber definitely crossed the line and needs to account for that, but I do not believe, from what I've seen, that he engaged in actual harassment that would necessitate a permanent ban -- while he definitely attacked Ninja, it doesn't look his ''goal'' on the wiki is to attack or vandalize, so I don't see him as a bad actor. I would definitely agree to an indefinite ban hinging on him accounting for what he did wrong and sincerely attempting to do better in the future, but I don't agree that he's a lost cause.
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| :::::Once again, this is coming from the same guy who thought it was a great idea to promote every editor to admin, so I'll be the first to admit it's more idealist than realist.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::Since I'm already partially involved in this, I feel somewhat obliged to add my thoughts too. It's definitely true that Webber deserves some form of punishment and I would propose a lengthy temporary ban (I don't know how long his previous bans were, so one or two months?), but the fact that he at least to some degree has improved himself after his previous bans gives me the hope that he can continue to improve further. If he shows a sincere willingness to improve (he hasn't so far, so we should bring this topic to his attention), I support a temporary and not permanent punishment. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:57, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::@KrytenKoro: I'm more a balance between an idealist and realist. As I said before, I agree with the idea of second chances, but only if the user in question feels sincerely remorseful and apologizes for their actions. Remember all that drama regarding EternalNothinessXIII on that forum when he asked his rights back, for example? Everyone got a heated in that debate, and EternalNothinessXIII left the wiki for a time. When he came back, he genuinely apologized for his behavior, and I see him truly making an attempt to be better. Same goes you, too, Kryten. You said yourself, you've been banned repeatedly for personal attacks, but you're making a genuine attempt to be better, too. You know why I'm pointing this out? Because you and EternalNothinessXIII recognized your own misbehavior and are sincerely attempting to be better. But look at Webber22, a user who refuses to even acknowledge the attacks, which were completely unwarranted, and has been BANNED 5 TIMES already. You never answered my question, though, regarding that in my previous posts. 5 TIMES, his longest ban being 3 MONTHS, for the EXACT same reason. Seriously, at what point is a user deemed a "lost cause", anyhow? How many chances should they have before they finally decide to shape up? Again, our policy says nothing about this, and I'm trying to abide to what the rules say.
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| :::::::@TheFifteenthMember: If Webber22 was given a temporary ban, then his ban has to 4 months, if we're going by his longest ban. Given Webber22 has not shown a willingness to improve (and he has yet to sincerely apologize for his attacks), I still say a permanent ban. That may seem harsh, but I'm not comfortable with having someone on the wiki in which the community allows to come back for the sake of making good edits, only to have said user knock others down repeatedly.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::::In my opinion, an editor is a lost cause when they make it a ''goal'' to be obstructive to the wiki and its community. While Webber has definitely been a jerk to you, I just don't see attacking you as being his raison d'etre.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::In my opinion, though, if an editor, no matter how good he or she is at editing or how long they've been doing it, has been exhibiting hostile behavior, they should be banned when the evidence shows that they have done so repeatedly, shows no remorse for their actions, and persists on misbehaving even after being warned and/or banned several times. As long as a user is being consistently disruptive in some way to the community, they should be banned, regardless of edits they do on the wiki itself. We're not just talking about Webber22's attacks against me, I want to also keep in mind of Webber22's previous bans and the reasons behind them. Given everything I have gleaned from his previous posts and encounters with others users, I believe that Webber22 should have been permanently banned long ago. I think Webber22 is already a "lost cause", because just look at everything he's done in the past and what he did now. I think 5 times is way too many chances for an editor to keep coming back after getting banned again and again for the same reason. Kryten, what punishment do you think Webber22 should get for his attacks, keeping in mind of that previously stated facts? I did see you blocked one user for 3 months earlier today for vandalizing one page. So, what should Webber22's punishment be as he as A.) Been 5 times now for the same reason and B.) Shows no intention of even acknowledging that he has attacked a user?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :That user vandalized the wiki itself with slurs, making it clear their goal was to be destructive to the project. You don't need warnings for that. In Webber's case, I would recommend an indefinite ban until he makes it clear he understands what the issue was and has intent to amend his behavior.
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| :There's friction and there's acid, and in my opinion the Webber issue is friction. That being said, I speak only for myself, and consensus will decide.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Well, most trolls do that because they're bored and to prank a wikia for fun. Most of time, isn't banning them for a week or two typically enough, because usually, trolls don't even bother coming back. If the user vandalized more pages, I can understand the 3 months ban, but you banned him after the user vandalized one page with idiotic slurs and after receiving one warning, completely skipping the typical 3-strikes procedure the wiki does. Well, anyway, Webber22 hasn't made any indication that he understands the issue. As he stated previously, he sees the case as "nonsense" so he is treating it as "nonsense", and as he indicated on TSH's talk page, he refuses to understand why he got a warning. If anyone wants to talk to Webber22 about his behavior, they're free to go for it. Is anyone willingly to do so? The case is dragging, and I'd like a final vote since we're deciding the outcome based on consensus.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::It's been a while since I banned someone, so if I used the improper procedure for this wiki, go ahead and modify my ban. I think I was using the Digimon Wiki procedure, which is not forgiving of vandalism but is forgiving of friction.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::Here's an idea: Why don't we let Webber decide what to do? If he admits what he did was wrong and apologizes to NinjaSheik, we'll only give him a temporary ban, but if he refuses, we ban him permanently. I'm not sure how long this temporary ban should be, but seeing as he has been banned multiple times before, and the longest being 3 months, I'd say a year or so... What do you think? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 07:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::If he '''''sincerely''''' apologizes, then I'm fine with that, even if I'm still leaning to the perma-ban (personally, anyway. But I agree with your idea, too). That means that someone (not me, of course) should talk to Webber22 about the consequences of his actions. If someone doesn't, then he that'll only make him believe that he has done nothing wrong, and that anyone can get away with attacking users.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::I can be the one who informs him, if nobody has any objections. Also, does everyone agree with the temporary ban being one year? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::Are you sure you're okay with being the one informing him? *Sigh* I still a hold a firm personal belief that given Webber22's history, he should be perma-ban. After all, a user who has been banned 5 times had enough chances to be more mindful of one's behavior, but I won't oppose to a one year ban.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::::Well, someone has to, but I'll wait until the others give their opinion on this idea. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 11:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::::As I've said, I support an indefinite ban with termination dependent on Webber addressing his behavior. I'd also recommend that Ninja and Webber simply avoid each other in the future. We should probably get more admins' opinions.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::::: Avoid each other? This is a community wikia. Users cannot not simply expect to avoid each other when they get into a fight with a clear resolution, and we're a very small community. Isn't that that type of behavior which brews even bigger hostility on wikias, anyway? If Webber22 does not address his behavior and is allowed to continuing editing here, then all that's doing is showing others that the KHWiki is excusing bad behavior and that anyone can come on here and personally attack others.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :Okay, I'll try to make this as short as possible. We are no correction institution here, that's why there no real guidelines regarding such cases and it's mostly left in the hands of the mods and admins to deal with these problems how they see fit. Warnings and bans are punishments; you give them to the users that don't see the errors of their way, not to people that apologize and feel sorry. You also don't punish users again because they still don't feel sorry even after receiving a punishment, that's just bad pedagogy. If we're going to Webber22 and say "If you apologize and say you are deeply sorry for what you've done than you will be only banned for a year, otherwise it's permant for things you've said years ago" I can see the outcome of this from a mile away, but maybe that's what you all want, I don't know.
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| :After reading your responses I think I know how you feel about this NinjaSheik. You don't seem to be really affected by the attack (or at least not anymore), which is a good thing because you really shouldn't. Instead you feel that his behavoir was completely uncalled for (I agree) and now you want to enforce the three strikes rules because in your opinion Webber is a lost cause, especially because of the things he said to Neumannz and Maggosh in the past. Do we know how Neumannz and Maggosh feel about this now? Do they still care or did they ever care?
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| :I respect your opinion NinjaSheik and I hope this doesn't feel like I want to invalidate it to you, but my own is different. I think Webber22 likes to contribute here, that's why he came back numerous times after bans in the first place, and his contributions are reconginized which is why he even became user of the month. Do I think we (or in this case you) have to endure his rude behavoir? Of course not, but I also don't think we have the means here to correct it, he has to learn that on his own. So in short I don't think a permanent ban is helpful at all, not to him, not to us. I think he should apologize but when did a forced apology ever help? --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 08:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Just to clarify -- it seems like you're interpreting my suggestion as making sure he says he's deeply sorry, etc. My suggestion is that he be asked to recognize that the behavior he engaged in *this time* is not acceptable behavior, and that he will not do it again. I don't think that's too much to ask, not even for an editor who *hasn't* made a misstep -- it's essentially asking them to understand and agree to the wiki's code of conduct. I ''do'' think Webber owes Ninja, and only Ninja (not me or Silent or you) an apology for his behavior, but that's an incredibly lenient request, really.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::It's not really an "apologize or get banned", but more a "realize that what you did is wrong or get banned". I don't think it matters whether the persons who were attacked still care about it, we can't let users go around saying mean stuff to others without doing anything. You say "He has to learn that on his own", but that's the main issue here; he doesn't acknowledge doing anything wrong, and therefore it is unlikely that he actually learns from this. Sure, he likes to edit here and was Featured User at one point, but that doesn't mean he can break the rules.
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| :::I do see your point, though, and I guess we can scrap the apologizing part from the idea. I doubt it would have been sincere in the first place, and if he is really sorry, he can apologize out of his own. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::So, what's the final verdict? This is a public talk page. And I do agree that if Webber22 was really sorry and wish to make amends, he would have by now. It's just like you said, TSH. I stick to my belief that no matter how good an editor someone is, they should be punished if they break the rules. And this whole thing about "learning on his own" idea is rather flawed. How times does a user have to be banned until he finally learns that he can't just go around and insulting others? 'Cause Webber22 has been banned 5 times, and time and time again, he has attacked someone, which resulted in bans. And that is also something to keep in mind. Therefore, in my mind, he is a lost cause and should just be banned permanently. No user should be forced to endure this type of treatment from anyone, time and time again. Webber22 is, I'm assuming, a young adult. He should know better to behave this way, even if it's over the Internet. After getting banned 5 times, you would think that a user would learn by now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::Unless they're a vandal or troll, I don't believe that any contributing user should ever be banned permanently because there's always a hope that they can improve their misbehaviour; even if it's extremely unlikely, it could still happen so we shouldn't completely write off any user forever. However, bad behaviour has to be punished and with a user that has already committed the same offence five times, we have to be strict about it. Therefore, I support a one year temporary ban, regardless of whether Webber admits his mistake or not. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::This goes against my personal beliefs, but I have stated previously that I'm fine with the one year ban. Any objections? Me, THS, TFM, and Kryten seem to have OK'ed this idea.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::::::::We should get on with it. Being the neutral admins in support of this idea, I think either TSH or KK should ban the user and notify him of that. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:55, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::::::::Agreed.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:25, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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| The mighty NinjaSheik has spoken. But of course ''she'' believes I'm a lost cause. Now, before I, I don't know, submit myself to judgment, I present a query: On how many sites do you think ''she'' has been banned on for "attacking users?" Now, to make this fair, we'll limit it to ''just'' attacks on users - we won't include anything crazy like pseudo-modding, harassing, trolling, drama queen-ing....you know, the routine. And also to make it fair, I'll just keep it to the Kingdom Hearts community. Now, here's a hint: ''A lot more times than I've been banned on here''. And secondly, and this is a rather important clarification, I've only personally been banned on here ''twice'', and that was some time ago. So....not ''five''. A while ago, I used a campus network (no longer the case) - you may feel free to check up on the IP - a particular pest was savvy on fucking around with me back then (though to be fair, some of it was my fair - I didn't make use of TOR, partially because I didn't know about it, and because it would've been too slow on the network). And that's just me and my very-much-not-friend. I can't speak for any other assholes who might have caused a stirrup.
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| So to recap, I've only personally been banned twice on here - and again, some time ago. Secondly, Shiek is literally the LAST person on earth to go around and dig up someone's past history, criticize them, dismiss them, and then ''judge'' them given her ''very'' colorful history. By that logic, Charles Manson should be appointed to the Supreme Court.
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| And lastly, regarding this "incident" - am I apologetic about it? ....''Not really''. This is the part where I ask points for honesty....but I don't have to since I already ''have'' a point. Go ahead - look at every discussion between myself and NJ. I have ''never'' attacked her - merely ''pointed out'' the hypocrisy in her actions. If that constitutes as an attack, then I'm sorry Kryten, but your suggestion to make everyone an admin just as easily labels you as having a ''drinking problem''. Unfit to rule, and operate heavy machinery! Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? So, why do I have to apologize for something that doesn't even make sense?
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| And then - THEN! - someone here has this magical audacity to give me a WONDERFUL choice. Truly wonderful: Apologize over something that you ''know'' I didn't even do, and then ''get banned only a little bit'', or don't apologize and ''get banned a whole lot!'' I'm sorry, what the FUCK kind of choice is that? Again with the metaphor - if you drown, you're not a witch, if you live, then you're a witch so we'll have to kill you anyway!
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| I was asked to speak for myself, so here I am. Speaking for myself, and choosing for myself. I ''choose'' not to apologize. And I ''choose'' not option A, or even B, but I'm proposing this RIDICULOUS new Option C called "Let's not ban Webber. At all." Instead, I'm gonna go on my merry. You're all gonna go on your merry. When an edit or contribution needs to be done, it'll be done. When a proposition crops up, it'll get discussed - and nothing more to it than that. And just because I don't mince words regarding foolish people undertaking foolish actions does not give leeway for you all to get hilariously, heart-bleedingly overly-sensitive and assume someone is ''attacking you''. Because by golly, ''you are perfect''. No, a tap on the shoulder asking what time it is is not aggravated assault. And no, giving you a smile and telling you "good morning!" is not sexual harassment in the office. ''Get over yourselves''. The victimization routine only goes so far.
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| Now, as I said before, I will now proceed to be on my merry and carry on as normal. In fact, I'm pretty much gonna try and forget this absolutely ridiculous and stupid discussion never even happened. Actually, I strongly suggest you delete it and be done with it, since all it does is serve to make all of us here look like a bunch of uptight wankers arguing over a useless bunch of nothing, and starting drama over a whole lot of zero. And most of us - let's face it - have had that happen just a bit too much. Now, is this not the smart and rational thing to do at this point? --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 03:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| :And there you have it, everyone. Based on what Webber22 has written here, if we're going by what we discussed previously, indefinite ban it is. Sorry, but after everything Webber22 just posted here now, I'm not giving him leeway by his blatant disregard for the rules and outright rude behavior. Throwing accusations around without definite proof, insulting others, refusal to acknowledge violation of the rules, etc. We can discuss more if you guys want, but my choice is clear. And, Kryten, you said you'll support an indefinite ban given Webber22's response. Well, given this response, I will ban him indefinitely.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| Webber, you've made clear to me that you do not know how to conduct yourself when talking to other people, especially because you do not see your hostile messages as personal attacks. So that you may understand your mistakes, I'll point out a couple of examples of you being disrespectful and offensive:
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| *"Not the Stiff-Upper Lip Speech"
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| *"Contrary to what your parents may have told to you when you were a kid, the planets don't orbit around you."
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| *"I'm realistically expecting you to get off your high horse and behave like a normal person"
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| *"The universe doesn't revolve around you or your opinions. In fact, pretty much no one cares for them. You were lied to."
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| By saying these things, the only thing you can be trying to do is belittle or humiliate Ninja, which is clearly unacceptable. The users on this wiki choose to take time out of their day to come here and edit; they do not come here to be attacked and offended. Maybe other wikis run differently, but if you're going to edit ''here'', we expect you to not go out of your way to spoil other user's editing experiences. I sincerely hope you keep this in mind if you choose to return here after your ban period is up. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| :Yeah, as unfortunate as it is, that's pretty explicitly intent to continue with the exact behavior that started this. I'd still like to request that we discuss the possibility of an unban if he ever concedes that stuff like the tirade above is ''not the ideal functioning'' of the community, and makes any sort of attempt to propose a way to keep it from happening again, but as always, I'll bow to consensus on that one.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| ::Sure, but that discussion should probably be held elsewhere, since we've already bloated Ninja's talk page. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| :::On the notion of furthering a discussion based on Webber22's behavior, I vote no. I'm done putting up with this hostile behavior. My mind won't change. Webber22 has been given enough chances, and have been warned and blocked repeatedly for persisting in his behavior. Webber22, as TFM as pointed above, has a quite a bit of double standards, the prime examples being:
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| *1.) Claiming that I am victimizing myself, yet at the same time doing the exact thing he is ''accusing'' me of. Victimizing himself, believing he has done no wrongdoing of any sorts, and exhibiting perpetual denial of why he's being punished in the first place.
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| *2.) Outright hostile, demeaning, and intimidating behavior. He has, as all of you can see, continues to indulge in this behavior, insulting not only me but the people (KrytenKoro, TheSilentHero, and TheFifthteenthMember) who were actually trying to help him, even after being warned/banned several times not to behave this way. Also, equating "a tap on the shoulder" as the same thing as being assaulted? Kryten, you also pointed this out on Webber22's talk page, but saying stuff like that is not only is just being plain disrespectful to numerous users, he's also completely downplaying the seriousness of the case as, once again, calling what we have been discussing a "ridiculous and stupid discussion".
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| Also, I don't appreciate having accusations thrown at me, especially said accusations were thrown without proof. Apparently, I have a ''very'' colorful past on the KHWiki, when the only wrongdoing I ever done was back when I was a 13-year-old kid with no experiencing on editing or even the wikia's rules back on the Keyhole and I got a warning template because I got into an edit war regarding Larxene's quotes<!--It's almost ironic that after all those years, we ended up using them here we moved from the Keyhole and onto the KHWiki--> Still, I learned from that single mistake, and never got a warning template again. My archives are there, so anyone can see it. To address this passage: "Now, before I, I don't know, submit myself to judgment, I present a query: On how many sites do you think ''she'' has been banned on for "attacking users?" Now, to make this fair, we'll limit it to ''just'' attacks on users - we won't include anything crazy like pseudo-modding, harassing, trolling, drama queen-ing....you know, the routine. And also to make it fair, I'll just keep it to the Kingdom Hearts community. Now, here's a hint: ''A lot more times than I've been banned on here''. "
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| Once again, accusations. Webber22 talks as if he knows my activity on other sites and wikias, but I have never encountered on any other wikias before, so where does get his information that I have been banned for attacking users, more so than "a lot more times than [Webber22] been banned on here"? I have never been banned on any other wikias or sites for anything before, especially for attacking users. I'd be more than happy to pull up my logs on other wikias just to prove it. Even if was true, what right did Webber22 had to say that? What was Webber22 trying to accomplish by asking such a question? That was completely unwarranted and uncalled for. And quite frankly, nothing short than an attempt to, as TFM said, "belittle and humiliate" me. That was an attack, period.
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| So no. Someone like Webber22 should not be allowed to come back after everything he has said and done. Ever. I'm done. I'm wiping my hands clean of this case. I listened to all of your opinions and even contacting TheSilentHero into this to act as mediator into to remain unbiased. Last night, given Webber22's response to everything he have been discussing so far and once again attacking not just me but all of you guys, too, I made a decision, and I stick to my belief that I made the right call. It's as you said, TFM: "The users on this wiki choose to take time out of their day to come here and edit; they do not come here to be attacked and offended." Allowing Webber22 to come back is wrong, in my opinion. Right here and how, I'm saying no to him returning to the wiki or lessening his ban. I don't want to be held responsible for bringing someone like Webber22 back onto a community, and making other users uncomfortable and potentially leaving the wiki because someone like that is on here.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| Not wanting to stir up offsite drama being said, I absolutely have no sympathy for the gamefaqs side, and painting it as us "stirring up drama" is totally false. Those guys had been mudslinging us for ages and sending vandals over here, and time has only proven us right about stuff like the Lingering Will being a distinct entity from Terra. Or the claim by KootieQ that the novel section for Larxene was reverted to a shitty writeup with a complaint that it was "unprofessional" -- that simply never happened (the history is publically visible, and the closest that happened was that a buildup of objectively bad grammar was *wholesale removed*, as bad grammar, and someone posted a completely new writeup), so it's a lie that that community made up and happily bandied about without doing one iota of fact checking. That lot was a bunch of tryhard edgelords, and hopefully they've been replaced.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| Ah, you remembered me it, too? I'm not proud of how I behaved; I was, in fact, a very different person back then. Just a 14-year-old girl who was really naive and kinda emotional. That's why I apologized. Don't get me wrong, though. I agree with you. I still thought the way they spoke about the KHWiki (well, more accurately, the Keyhole) was very wrong, but I was wrong to provoke them, and that's why I apologized for it. Still, to base something off that happened 7 years ago, without really taking in consideration over the other users' behaviors? Uh, well, not very good argument there on Webber22's side. I'm really convinced that whatever Webber22 says is either a lie and/or an exaggeration. He's trying so hard to degrade me that he's actually just making things worse for himself. I don't even have an inkling on the KHWiki who hates and spoke to Webber22 about "bossy and unfriendly demeanor"? I never gotten into a spat with anyone, nor have I done anything to articles without discussing it with other users. In fact, I don't even participate in a lot of discussions to begin with. Well, whatever. Past is past. That forum has nothing do with us now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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| == Fighting style ==
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| I don't think it makes sense to have those on the Game: pages, though they should definitely be trimmed of gamecruft. Judging by Sora's article, they're meant to be a more qualitative, in-universe look at the character's style, while the Game: pages are meant to be very out-universe "here's how many points of damage and HP the character has".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| I think I only did for Hayner's? I wanted to incorporate the fighting style section in his Game page, but I couldn't think of a way to so at the time. I'll have a look at it again. Thing is, I wasn't really sure want to do about these Fighting styles sections on Hayner's, Setzer's, and Seifer's page. They were poorly done, and everything said under them was just a simple repeat of what was on their Gameplay pages. They're not difficult bosses to begin with, so I find them redundant and thought it was better to just move them. Furthermore, their pages are very short, so I didn't think that the accessibility would be a problem, because when readers scroll through the pages, they don't have to scroll very far if they wish to take a look at how to fight them properly by simply clicking the Gameplay tabs. Mainly, though, I just found them really redundant and a bit unnecessary given the fact their battles are not difficult for the players, and everything that players need to know are on their Gameplay pages. I looked other pages like Squall's or Cloud's, but they described more of their abilities, though Squall's wasn't much. I didn't really chalk them up for good examples for minor bosses like Hayner and the others. I mean, if you wanna move them back to expand on them, I won't object or anything. It's not that big of a deal.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ::It's fine to port the gamecruft over and integrate it into the strategies, I'm just saying from an organizational standpoint, I don't think it makes a ton of sense to have a fighting style ''section'' on the Game pages. As a section, that is meant to be more in-universe and thus makes sense on the character pages.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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| :::I'll take another look at it, and see if I can incorporate the content of whatever Hayner's section said. I don't remember since I was focusing on working on Mickey's Form page.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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| ==Re:Favor?==
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| {{ENX|time=06:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)|talktext=Hey! I'd be more than happy to help you in any way I can :) If you send me the file from which you want the background removed, I can try to see what I can do about it in Photoshop. As for the logo, what do you have in mind?}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|happy=Really?! Yay! The thing I'm working isn't for the KHWiki, just to let you know. It's for something else, and since I kinda want to keep it a secret, can you meet on Chat when you have free time? I'll give you the details on there.}}
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| {{ENX|time=01:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)|happy=Yes! :) I'm free pretty much all day now that I'm on summer vacation; message me when you're on the IRC, and assuming I'm around, I'll pop in to discuss this with you!}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Okay, cool! Can we meet up tomorrow, then? I'll message you when I'm on.}}
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| {{ENX|time=01:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|text=Hey. Sorry I missed you earlier; it's kinda crazy around my house these days…Anyways, I'm free to chat if you wish to join me on the IRC. I'll be there waiting.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I'm on there now. I see you, too, but you haven't replied back. Are my messages getting through?}}
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| {{ENX|time=02:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|text=Sorry I seemingly disappeared from the IRC. My computer is having trouble loading new tabs…As for your request, I'll do the best I can and let you know when I'm done with everything :)}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=That's fine. I understand. Thanks for helping me out. Did you get the image I sent you all right, the second time when I sent it? You can get a better one from off the web anywhere. Let me know if you need any help from me. I can't do much with editing pictures, but if you need help with something, please let me know.}}
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| {{ENX|time=03:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|text=If it's possible, could we speak again on the IRC? That'd be most convenient for me as I get things done…}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah, but can we meet up tomorrow? I'm gonna turn in for tonight. We're both on summer break, and there's no rush about the request. When you're free tomorrow, just let me know. :) Or can I just message you on your talk page. Whatever works.}}
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| {{ENX|time=03:41, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|text=I'm basically done with everything. I can give it to you tomorrow. Message me when you're free :)}}
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| {{ENX|time=14:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|talktext=I will be on the IRC for a while if you would like to join me. If not, hopefully we can converse tonight. If I do not respond, it's because my computer is being stupid and preventing me from doing so for one reason or another :P}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I'm sorry I didn't get your message until now. I've been busy this afternoon. I'd like to meet up later tonight, if you like. Oh, and if your computer is giving you trouble, maybe it's better if chat over email? Since emails aren't something we should display publicly over the Internet, we can exchange over Chat later tonight if you're free.}}
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| {{ENX|time=21:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|text=I will be on the IRC at around 11:00 tonight, if you wish to join me. Just message me when you're free :)}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=I'm pretty right now. I can come on. What about you?}}
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| {{ENX|time=22:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)|text=Heading on now.}}
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| == IRC ==
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| {{ENX|time=00:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)|text=My timezone is EST, just so you know. It is currently 8:55 PM, and I am free to chat whenever you are. If I do not respond, it is because my computer either is giving me trouble or it hasn't alerted me to your PM.}}
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| == Friend ==
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| Hey Sheik it has been a long time. I hope you are doing alright. --[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] ([[User talk:The Dark Master|talk]]) 06:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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| Ah, I remember you! :D It's certainly been a long time, indeed. What brings you back to the KHWiki after all this time? Oh, and I'm doing okay. Going through a bit of trifle with seemingly no end (see above sections) with another user, but all right nonetheless. How're you?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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