Talk:Radiant Garden

Second Castle

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I never understood how the second castle (maleficent's one, with the heartless emblem on each tower) appeared in this world. I mean, Maleficent used Hollow Bastion (the first castle) as a base in Kh, so the second probably didn't exist yet (even if the rest of the world was destroyed, she probably didn't built an other castle before). So, how the hell has it appeared ? Has it been built by heartless ?

I'm guessing she built it before she took over hollow bastion. Myself 123 23:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Methinks it is so. Who knows, maybe Birth By Sleep could shed some light on it. After all, at that time Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden weren't plummeted into the darkness by Xehanort. ^_^ EDIT : Now I remember something. The Forteresse that we saw in KH1 could be very well the "castle under reconstruction" in KHII. Because from what I know (I think I saw this in the Ansem Reports, though I might be wrong) HB was heavily modified for Xehanort's project. I'm pretty sure that once the Keyhole of the world is consumed, what is left is only the remnant of the world (think Destiny Islands). The Forteresse could be the remnant of HB that Xehanort needed to preserve, in order to get along with his plan. Again, I might be wrong. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden

I heard in KHII HB's real named is Radiant Garden is that right? Cococrash11

Pokhmon - I'm so FLATTERED! TALK - But you're TOO LATE! — 09:55, January 31, 2010 (UTC) yep jusd beat the MCP in trons world

Radiant Garden or The Radiant Garden?

Is there a point calling this "The Radiant Garden" why not just call it "Radiant Garden" instead? Cococrash11

Because that's not its name.Glorious CHAOS! 19:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was "The Radiant Garden" in KH2, but as of BBS, it's just "Radiant Garden", so we can move it back, I guess.

Also, anyone else notice that there's an actual world beyond the town, now?Glorious CHAOS! 03:00, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? The new logo in BbS labels it simply as "Radiant Garden". I say we rename it.

Indeed, and obviously the search term used by 99% of people would be Radiant Garden rather than The Radiant Garden. Even the translations beneath the logo (for other versions) don't make use of the article (it's Jardin Radieux, for example). It's practically understood that despite the "the" not being there, the place is still referred to as Radiant Garden. Even Aerith calls it Radiant Garden without the "the". Damn, I can go on and on... There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 10:58, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

About Lego's edit on this...

Dornob25 - Who knows what that one is thinking. TALK - You will know how weak you are! — 04:12, December 11, 2009 (UTC) He added the Trivia that the castle that overlooks Radiant Garden vaguely resembles Castle That Never Was. It may seem a little bit looking alike, but I don't see any major likeness between the two. If I'm wrong, someone clarify.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Yeah, it actually more closely resembles Castle Oblivion in the BbS logo, and even that is a bit too speculative to me.

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — JFHavoc 05:11, December 11, 2009 (UTC) A lot of castles look alike, and I think the similarities are too vague to be good Trivia for this page. Now if the castle was modeled after The Castle that Never Was it would be a whole other story. But... it's not.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Right, so I removed that, but another piece of trivia is bugging me a little. It says that the BbS Radiant Garden bears a strong resemblance to the Gardens in Final Fantasy VIII. Now I don't have the game, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it seems too speculative to me. Should that be removed too?

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — JFHavoc 05:32, December 11, 2009 (UTC) Probably. Trivia is supposed to be mostly interesting facts, not speculation. Speculation can be put in trivia, but that is mostly for theories that are very likely or widely accepted.

Only World

Will contain BBS Spoilers

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 18:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC) There is a Trivia saying that this is the only world to change name, but considering that at the end of BBS the Land of Departure became Castle Oblivon, thus having the name changed that trivia should be removed or at least altered.

Done. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:16, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

About Disney Castle (Still under this section)

Right about the Timeless River, but Disney Town and Disney Castle, as I view it, are two different things altogether (castle, town... ?). Indeed, they refer to about the same place, but we don't know what the actual name of the world is. (And then again, the Town was seen in KH1 on the World Map, but it wasn't called Disney Town !) Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:14, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:25, January 17, 2010 (UTC) As far as we know the world could be called Disney Land or even Disney World. So these three "locations" should be on separate pages for now until something new comes up, and the trivia should stay.

That revision shall be undone. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:27, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:34, January 17, 2010 (UTC) And it should remain untouched from now on, or my wrath will fall on those who do not obey!!

You mean MY wrath. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:39, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC) Our wrath then. OUR WRATH!!! This will scare the other users.

It won't scare the seasoned ones unless we have a basis for the argument. I guess this one does have a base. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:55, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 05:09, January 17, 2010 (UTC) Glad we settled this. Next issue, please.

KrytenKoro - Click TALK - As I understand it, each of these instances is just the castle remaining after the world was devoured, so it's not so much the name being changed as everything else disappearing (excluding Disney). Furthermore, if the basis of the original discussion was that the trivia bit would need to be corrected, but it would be a spoiler, why not just remove it? Especially since the name-change is plot info anyway, it would be better to simply explain the phenomena in the story section, and leave it out of the trivia.

Question is, was Disney Town ever devoured by Darkness ? The only time we ever hear of the Darkness encroaching into that place was in KHII. That was the first instance. And also, if the wiki policy was already stated as to insert spoilers even in the story section, then we might as well apply it anywhere else. Otherwise, what's the rationale of keeping it in the story section ? First of all, how is it ever going to be put in the story section ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:23, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 20:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC) First of all, Disney was never devoured by Darkness, now if you meant the Land of Departure, I don't think it was devoured but dragged near the Realm of Darkness (Castle Oblivion is on the Realm of Between closer to the Realm of Darkness). And about the trivia, I'll change it a bit removing the "which became Castle Oblivion" part, If the someone wants to know why the name was changed then check the section inside the spoiler template on LoD. Kay?

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - There's a very specific reason I said "excluding Disney". The policy is spoilers with spoiler warnings. It's not a huge deal, though. Trivia which has to say "the only one if you exclude these others" makes it pretty useless. It would be put into the story section something like "It was once known as Land of Departure, but became Castle Oblivion."

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 21:18, January 17, 2010 (UTC) Do as you please, if the changes you do aren't good we can keep this debate until we reache a solution.

Shinra?

Cecil the Paladin - If light and darkness are eternal, then surely the nothing must be the same... eternal! TALK - It was added in the Trivia section that this world looks similar too FFVII's Shinra, I don't see a resemblance, but, even if there's any, since I saw the BBS Version of Radiant Garden I have found a stronger similarity to another FF location, Balamb and Galbadia Gardens. To explain, both are "floating" or "hovering", both have a ring below them, in the FFVIII Garden's case, these are flotation rings, in Radiant garden they might just be for style and to hold the water jets, but they look very alike, except of course that the FFVIII gardens are much more technological and are schools, RG is a castle. And let's not forget that they are both named "Gardens". What do you think, is it Trivia worthy?

If you can back it up- Hollow Bastion and Midgar are similar, but keep in mind that Kingdom hearts was designed to have a different style, but still retain somethings. I doubt that one of the main KH original worlds would be built after a FF one, and gardens are just a good, beautiful bit of scenery. I have a few in my book. Tetsuya may also be having an idea similar to J.R.R Tolkien's that to much industrialism is bad, and that 's one of the things that ruined Radiant Garden's appearance.Oh,how the sea calls 06:13, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

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Who's the leader right now? THERE WILL BE SPOILERS

Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 06:40, February 10, 2010 (UTC) So, every time I add into the trivia that since Ansem the Wise isn't the ruler of Radiant Garden anymore after his "death" (subject to change since we found out he never died and is in the Realm of Darkness with Aqua), Leon can be considered the TEMPORARY ruler/leader/role model type person of Radiant Garden until a permanent one could be found. Can someone explain why that keeps getting taken down? Cuz its not speculation, cuz if it is, then all the other tidbits of info that are on articles that use words like "assuming", "considered", "if blah blah blah is applied", and whatnot need to be taken down, since they too fall into the category of speculation. Yay long questions!!

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? It is speculation, because absolutely nothing indicates that Leon is the new leader. It isn't speculation just because words like "assuming" are used (though it would be preferable if they were not), it's speculations because there is no confirmation for it whatsoever.

No, no, a thousand times no, because it's already evident that HBRC isn't a ruling committee, but only a restoration committee. So technically, there's no ruler for HB until a new one is announced. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 07:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 13:54, February 10, 2010 (UTC) YEESH I ask a question and people jump all over me like a monkey on a pile of bananas hahaha. The only reason I said that Leon bit was because he's there protecting the people of Radiant Garden, which is what a ruler should do. So that's where I got that idea from. I never once said tho that the entire HBRC were the rulers, I'm just saying Leon is like a morale leader for all the other people. Can we AT LEAST put in there something about it being rulerless, like maybe one of the few worlds with no ruler ( others being TWTNW, End of the World, Neverland cuz no one ever said who their leader was, Peter Pan i'm guessing, and i don't know i think there are more.)? Until, God willing the game makers do this, Ansem the Wise makes it back to RG. Also I still don't understand how using "assuming" isn't speculation at times after reading what you said.

Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 13:56, February 10, 2010 (UTC) er....... meant to say "one of the few worlds with no ruler at the moment" or some variant. I just woke up so I'm kinda drowzee. YAY Pokemon references!!

Next time, word your questions as simply as possible. Leon is a morale leader of sorts, but he's not the only one. And about HB being rulerless, it's already implied from the after-BBS section, when the apprentices banished Ansem to the Realm of Nothingness, that Xehanort would rule HB. Then after Xehanort's defeat, HB was left rulerless. If it's already implied, why make it express ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 13:58, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 14:14, February 10, 2010 (UTC) because people (like me sometimes) are sometimes too thickheaded to see the implications and understand them hahaha.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Using weasel words like "assuming" and others like it do not automatically make something speculation, but it would be better if they were not used. If something is not confirmed by the game designers, other people involved in the creation of the game, or in the game itself, it is speculation, and speculation should not be on the articles.

Unversed

the unversed sction needs more images couse there is only 3...and i veseen more just 2 types of unversed in this world... i would myself annd images(and i tried), but for some reason they didn't work....P456 20:39, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the others but i don't know al the Unverseds that appear in there and in any other world but if you could give me a list i would be glad in help--Xabryn 22:06, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I have seen Blue Sea-Salt, Arch Raven, Scrappler and Mandrake. Idon't know if there is more, but those i have seen.P456 11:47, March 21, 2010 (UTC) Done, Thanks for your help--Xabryn 12:44, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

OH and there is also Chrono Twister. P456 20:45, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VIII?

So a number of you have probably already noticed this, but the name Radiant Garden seems to hint at a connection to the Gardens from FFVIII (Balamb, etc.). One of the pictures (the birth by sleep one) in particular looks like the flying Gardens from FFVIII. Any word on this and if it's more than just speculation? Considering the connection between the two games and the fact that Squall/Leon is from there, I feel like it was intentional. It'd be nice to confirm though. jse334

I find it funny that eight members of Org. XIII came from Radiant Garden (excluding Sora's Heartless/Nobody creation), and then there's the connection people make between RG and FFVIII. Seems like 8 is a very important number here. Of course, whether or not they intentionally used the number eight for a connection to FFVIII is beyond me. Lying Memories 20:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

New Images?

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}} I'm planning on uploading 4 pictures which all include English text, one is the facade of the castle(from the central plaza), the other is the exterior(the outer fountain area, beyond the walls), a close-up of the facade(directly in front of the castle doors) and the fountain plaza, any objections?

Is it at all possible for you to turn off the English patch before taking the pictures?Glorious CHAOS! 14:59, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}} It is possible

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}} Okay, I've added the photos, now I have the photo of when the Radiant Garden was first surrounded by darkness, I'll post it once I get it in Japanese.

Curious Design

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}} I noticed something that could go into trivia, but it's unlikely: There's a design that's on both the Castle in the Radiant Garden and the Land of Departure, except it's inverted by each other, like it's upright on the Land of Departure but the other way round on the Hollow Bastion: See what I mean?

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 18:05, May 27, 2010 (UTC) I never noticed that before. I think it should go in the trivia. Do you think it might be some symbol of light? Since Radiant Garden and Land of Departure are both light based worlds.

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}} It's also located on the doors into the actual castle. It could be a sign of light, either that or they just ran out of designs, haha.

KHII world image

Is it really the exact same as the Hollow Bastion image? If so, we need to rename File:Hollow Bastion KHII.png to "Radiant Garden KHII.png"Glorious CHAOS! 05:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Heartless

Which Heartless still appear in this world after it becomes Radiant Garden?Glorious CHAOS! 15:10, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Non-dark enemies

Claymore (during Space Paranoids episodes)

Something like Claymore also appears in ReCoM at Castle Oblivion.

Of course, by its nature, it could be considered a trap like the guillotine in Halloween Town, since you can't destroy it. It might just be mentioned in the area descriptions for both worlds (since it is permanent).

Also, Honey Bee shows up as a full-fledged enemy at Twilight Town and 100 Acre Wood. Have we ever gotten a render of the bees? Can anyone extract one?Glorious CHAOS! 03:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Surroundings

Is that water that surrounds the Radiant Garden logo in the BBS image?Oh,how the sea calls 15:29, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Lying Memories - I lived my life defending others, but now there's no one left to protect. Maybe... it's time I shaped my own story. TALK - This is my story. - Lying Memories 04:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC) As far as I can tell it is, but in KH2 it looks more like land, which puzzles me.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Well, Radiant Garden did sort of go to hell and back between BBS and KHII. Maybe the water dried up.

maggosh ...the flint is struck. — "Maybe I should punish you after all." "Come on! Show a little backbone!" Keepin in mind the Rising Falls in Hollow Bastion, I'm finding it hard to believe that ALL of that water dried up in a year.

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}} The water was there in BBS, then it's still there in KHI, but suddenly gone in KHII, except the fountains are still there and the 'rising falls' in KH2FM+ are there so maybe only the town has the water now?

this doesn't seem right

Lying Memories - Clever little sneak! TALK - Gee... I just don't know. — Lying Memories 06:53, August 2, 2010 (UTC) As with Destiny Islands and Twilight Town, the only characters native to this world are either Kingdom Hearts-original characters or Final Fantasy characters. Yea that's wrong to me since Merlin is now living in Radiant Garden, and he's a Disney character

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - He ain't native to it, though. At least, as far as we know. If BBS says he was always from there, then it's just DI and TT.

Lying Memories - I'd rather we just skip the formalities. TALK - The Darkness in men's hearts, drawn to these cursed medallions; and this Heartless, a veritable maelstrom of avarice: I wonder, are they worthy to serve Organization XIII? - Lying Memories 04:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC) Yea that's what I thought after I had posted it. As far as we know, he's lived there since Birth By Sleep since we see him there, but you're right we don't know if he's always lived there. Thanks for helping clear this up for me

Erry - Wretched SeeD TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 17:47, 3 May 2011 (EDT) Wrong, he was there in BbS and KHII, but not in KHI, he moved to Traverse Town then. Anyways, The World that Never Was falls into that range as well since only the main Nobodies are native to that world, nothing else.

Dark Depths

In Kingdom Hearts II, the Dark Depths area of Hollow Bastion becomes the name of an area in Radiant Garden which contains a large cliff overlooking the remains of Maleficent's old castle. The Dark Depths can be reached if one proceeds through the Great Maw, and it is also where the player has the option to face Sephiroth in a boss battle. When Cloud faces Sephiroth, their battle also takes place in this area.

A Small Error

The mention of Terra-Xehanort trying to 'release his darkness by throwing himself into the dark realm' (or whatever the exact line was) conflicts with other explanations of that scene on this site. If I'm not mistaken, Terra-Xehanort attempted to lock Terra's influence out of his heart, but failed when he locked his own (Master Xehanort's) influence as well.24.215.77.122 18:33, December 19, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin

What happens is that Terra managed to take control of the body for long enough to lock away both of their hearts."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:30, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Not quite.LapisLazuliScarab18:05, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

Japanese Name

RG has its Japanese name: Kagayakeru Niwa (輝ける庭). Should we add it to somewhere? Or is it just a translation of the worlds name? Pea14733 ---- [闇] 19:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Source? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 20:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Here. The Kanji name appears after the Katakana name. Pea14733 ---- [闇] 14:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

However it's pronounced in-game should take precedence. The kanji is probably just there to provide the intended meaning to those who wouldn't understand otherwise (furigana, or at least the game's attempt at it). The novels do this at times as well. Ultima Spark (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Even then, it's the official just-there-to-provide-the-meaning of the world's name. Maybe we should add it in the infobox under the Katakana name? Pea14733 ---- [闇] 17:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

After watching the cutscene in Japanese, I conclude that it's just Aerith translating "Radiant Garden" into Japanese after she says it in English. I'm not sure about putting it in the article, but I'd say definitely not in the infobox. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Logo change in 2.5 HD Remix

In the HD Remix the "the" of Radiant Garden seems to be omitted: [1] --92.78.56.125 11:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

That's what I'm seeing from the English version as well. Xion4ever 20:57, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Geography

Each room should be able to get a short paragraph about it; furthermore, the use of the second-person should be zealously avoided. In-universe all the way, chaps."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)