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Ok so I've been playing KHII and I noticed a GIANT plot hole. After playing through Agrabah the first time, there is the cutscence where Axel kidnaps Kairi and she winds up in Twilight Town and all that. If the player chooses to attend to the matters in Twilight Town this is where the plot hole beings. After dealing with the town, the Heartless invasion of Hallow Bastion begins. If the player goes to Hollow Bastion, he must then deal with Tron and the Battle of the Thousand Heartless. At the end of all this, Malificent saves Sora and the gang and they must begin revisiting worlds. However, the game will not let the player go to Halloween Town or the Pride Lands, which have not been visited yet due to the player choosing to take care of things pertaining to the main storyline. So when the player finally visits Halloween Town the first time, they encounter Malificent resurrecting Oogey Boogey as if nothing had happened and that she does not need Sora. So overall this creates discontinuity in the story line of such a quality game and distracted me from its greatness. | Ok so I've been playing KHII and I noticed a GIANT plot hole. After playing through Agrabah the first time, there is the cutscence where Axel kidnaps Kairi and she winds up in Twilight Town and all that. If the player chooses to attend to the matters in Twilight Town this is where the plot hole beings. After dealing with the town, the Heartless invasion of Hallow Bastion begins. If the player goes to Hollow Bastion, he must then deal with Tron and the Battle of the Thousand Heartless. At the end of all this, Malificent saves Sora and the gang and they must begin revisiting worlds. However, the game will not let the player go to Halloween Town or the Pride Lands, which have not been visited yet due to the player choosing to take care of things pertaining to the main storyline. So when the player finally visits Halloween Town the first time, they encounter Malificent resurrecting Oogey Boogey as if nothing had happened and that she does not need Sora. So overall this creates discontinuity in the story line of such a quality game and distracted me from its greatness. {{unsigned|Sgt.pepper22}} | ||
:I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If you're saying that SE should have had the story in HT/other worlds adapt depending on the player's choice of the order of worlds, that's kinda asking for a lot, considering how much more complex the world setup was in KHII over KH or any game since then. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
No, I'm saying that the Heartless Invasion shouldn't happen until after the player has completed Halloween Town and Pride Lands. That way, Sora will have encountered Malificent in HT and Pete in PL before Malificent begins to help Sora in defeating the Organization. | |||
:If you have the Guide and/or Ultimanias, they would tell you NOT to go to Twilight Town before Halloween Town and Pride Lands. And besides, there is a canon way of how the worlds are visited. Not only do the guides and ultimanias show you how the "canon" way of visiting worlds are but so does the manga, at least from what I've seen. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 05:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
::I once did the Battle of the 1,000 Heartless before completing Agrabah and the Pride Lands. Sora's dialog in the former regarding King Mickey is still the same. But, in canon, Sora and his friends visit Agrabah, Halloween Town and the Pride Lands before Twilight Town. I think that you're required to visit the three worlds before Twilight Town is unlocked in the Final Mix version; I'm awhere that you need to defeat the MCP to reach The World That Never Was in that version. | |||
::For me, a bigger plot hole would be Terra visiting Castle of Dreams before Dwarf Woodlands in KHBBS, as Ventus visits the latter first, and is the first of the trio to visit the former. But, in canon, and according to the timeline, Dwarf Woodlands is visited first. {{Uxie/Sig}} 06:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::2FM never actually forces you to enter Radiant Garden (let alone defeat the MCP) after the 1000 Heartless battle...the speedrun I'm watching goes through Port Royal/Beast's Castle/Halloween Town/Agrabah/Land of Dragons/onward to TWTNW. That said, there seems to be a general consensus that anything plot-wise (whether the actual gameplay choice is optional or not) is canon unless explicitly stated or heavily implied otherwise (ie. KH1 Sephiroth). As an aside, Theatre Modes give you the intended chronology re: world visits. [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 13:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Ok so I've been playing KHII and I noticed a GIANT plot hole. After playing through Agrabah the first time, there is the cutscence where Axel kidnaps Kairi and she winds up in Twilight Town and all that. If the player chooses to attend to the matters in Twilight Town this is where the plot hole beings. After dealing with the town, the Heartless invasion of Hallow Bastion begins. If the player goes to Hollow Bastion, he must then deal with Tron and the Battle of the Thousand Heartless. At the end of all this, Malificent saves Sora and the gang and they must begin revisiting worlds. However, the game will not let the player go to Halloween Town or the Pride Lands, which have not been visited yet due to the player choosing to take care of things pertaining to the main storyline. So when the player finally visits Halloween Town the first time, they encounter Malificent resurrecting Oogey Boogey as if nothing had happened and that she does not need Sora. So overall this creates discontinuity in the story line of such a quality game and distracted me from its greatness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgt.pepper22 (talk • contribs)
- I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If you're saying that SE should have had the story in HT/other worlds adapt depending on the player's choice of the order of worlds, that's kinda asking for a lot, considering how much more complex the world setup was in KHII over KH or any game since then. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 03:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
No, I'm saying that the Heartless Invasion shouldn't happen until after the player has completed Halloween Town and Pride Lands. That way, Sora will have encountered Malificent in HT and Pete in PL before Malificent begins to help Sora in defeating the Organization.
- If you have the Guide and/or Ultimanias, they would tell you NOT to go to Twilight Town before Halloween Town and Pride Lands. And besides, there is a canon way of how the worlds are visited. Not only do the guides and ultimanias show you how the "canon" way of visiting worlds are but so does the manga, at least from what I've seen. Erry 05:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- I once did the Battle of the 1,000 Heartless before completing Agrabah and the Pride Lands. Sora's dialog in the former regarding King Mickey is still the same. But, in canon, Sora and his friends visit Agrabah, Halloween Town and the Pride Lands before Twilight Town. I think that you're required to visit the three worlds before Twilight Town is unlocked in the Final Mix version; I'm awhere that you need to defeat the MCP to reach The World That Never Was in that version.
- For me, a bigger plot hole would be Terra visiting Castle of Dreams before Dwarf Woodlands in KHBBS, as Ventus visits the latter first, and is the first of the trio to visit the former. But, in canon, and according to the timeline, Dwarf Woodlands is visited first. UxieLover1994 06:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- 2FM never actually forces you to enter Radiant Garden (let alone defeat the MCP) after the 1000 Heartless battle...the speedrun I'm watching goes through Port Royal/Beast's Castle/Halloween Town/Agrabah/Land of Dragons/onward to TWTNW. That said, there seems to be a general consensus that anything plot-wise (whether the actual gameplay choice is optional or not) is canon unless explicitly stated or heavily implied otherwise (ie. KH1 Sephiroth). As an aside, Theatre Modes give you the intended chronology re: world visits. Ultima Spark (talk)
13:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- 2FM never actually forces you to enter Radiant Garden (let alone defeat the MCP) after the 1000 Heartless battle...the speedrun I'm watching goes through Port Royal/Beast's Castle/Halloween Town/Agrabah/Land of Dragons/onward to TWTNW. That said, there seems to be a general consensus that anything plot-wise (whether the actual gameplay choice is optional or not) is canon unless explicitly stated or heavily implied otherwise (ie. KH1 Sephiroth). As an aside, Theatre Modes give you the intended chronology re: world visits. Ultima Spark (talk)
- For me, a bigger plot hole would be Terra visiting Castle of Dreams before Dwarf Woodlands in KHBBS, as Ventus visits the latter first, and is the first of the trio to visit the former. But, in canon, and according to the timeline, Dwarf Woodlands is visited first. UxieLover1994 06:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
