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:It appears our only confirmation is a small image which shows from his shoulders up. {{The Inexistentsig}} 02:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC) | :It appears our only confirmation is a small image which shows from his shoulders up. {{The Inexistentsig}} 02:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC) | ||
::That's pretty bad, then.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC) | ::That's pretty bad, then.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Neku is a character appearing in the upcoming game ''[[Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance]]''. | |||
'''This part should be changed to <nowiki>==Story==</nowiki>''' | |||
Sora encounters Neko while looking for Riku. Neku then asks Sora if he will help him in the Reaper's Game. After talking to Sora, he leaves, followed by Sora at a fast pace. | |||
{{The Inexistentsig}} 02:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::That's a bit too much to ask for when the stupid article's protected. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 09:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
==Publish== | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=13:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)|neku= So can we publish As if's Neku article yet?}} | |||
I think it should be. If an admin doesn't by the end of tonight, I will, using my backwards methods. {{The Inexistentsig}} 22:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
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{{KrytenKoro|The page looks perfect. The only issue I can think of is that, last time I asked, I was told we had no actual source for the character being named "Neku" within KH3D. If you can provide a source for his name, it would be fine to publish. The source could probably be used to cite the "appears in KH3D" bit as well.}} | |||
http://kh13.com/forum/topic/23254-synopsis-of-extended-kingdom-hearts-3d-trailer/ | |||
Looks like we're moving the article to Neku Sakuraba. --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 17:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=18:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)|neku=I'd say keep it as Neku for now, but still refer to his full name in the article. We've never really had a case of a character with a last name, except for Leon. I'd say wait 'till we can see Neku's journal entry. EDIT: Also, since As if's source gives us a name, we should probably go through with publishing the page now.}} | |||
{{Asif|shonormal= I dunno, Chitalian. Neku expressly addresses himself with his full name, and we've typically given character articles the names the characters themselves refer to themselves by; that is why Leon's article is not called "Squall Leonhart". Since Neku chooses to refer to himself by full name, that is what I believe the article should be named.}} | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=19:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)|nekutalk= I thought we named characters based on their journal entries, but I'm fine with either name.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|[[Mickey Mouse]], [[Donald Duck]]. If we have a full name for a character, that needs to be the article title. | |||
Leon's case is a bit odd. We might want to take it back up for discussion, but my impression was that he had renamed himself, similar to [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]] or [[DiZ]] (prior to the end of KHII).}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|Mmm... the article now has a problem. I can definitely hear the "Sakuraba Neku" bit, that part is fine, but now we're relying on translations of the audio from a fansite? There's absolutely no way for us to verify that the translation is accurate, as the audio and the text are impossible to make out. If we want to publish the article, we have to reduce the story synopsis to what is absolutely verifiable—otherwise, it needs to stay here.}} | |||
{{Asif|sho=[http://www.ff-reunion.net/kh/2011/09/17/tgs_kh3d_play_demo_impresson Here]. This is the original text; if you can translate it for us and verify it, then the information stays. If not, I'll take the information out.}} | |||
{{17m|time=12:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)|text= I thought I'll just put it here, just in case. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvNgouXG4k KH3D's TGS 2011 Trailer HD] clear audio, and Braig's dialogue can be read. Also, those two lying on the floor might be Ienzo and Even}} | |||
:Yeah, that translation seems to be accurate. Go ahead and use it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=22:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)|neku= So is the article ready for publishing?}} | |||
== Shiki? == | |||
According to [http://sqex.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/kh3d-famitsu-details/ SQEXGAL's translation of the Famitsu article], Nomura hinted to Shiki, Neku's partner, appearing (or at least being referred to) at some point. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=02:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)|nekutalk= Meh, Neku's enough of a cameo for me. I'd prefer to see Joshua.}} | |||
== Neku introducing himself == | |||
No one noticed that it is somewhat similar to what happened in TWEWY? For reference: | |||
'''Shiki:''' ''"How, for the last time... Tell me your name."''<br> | |||
'''Neku:''' ''"...... Neku. Neku Sakuraba."''<br> | |||
'''Shiki:''' ''"Neku, huh? Cute name."''<br> | |||
'''Neku (thinks):''' ''"Shut up."'' | |||
I find it awfully similar to what happens at the end of the trailer, although it might be just my paranoia acting up. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 09:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
Sorry if I'm not allowed to "up" it, but I'm really curious. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 10:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
:It sounds interesting, but I think it's too tenuous to put on the page, especially since it relies on a trailer. Let's see what the final script is, maybe that will match TWEWY more.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Twister == | |||
It is just me or the Twister played during that video is the [http://twewy.wikia.com/wiki/(CD)_Track_21 remix] not the [http://twewy.wikia.com/wiki/(CD)_Track_26 original version] --{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}21:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
:You're right, fixed. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 22:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Voice Actor == | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=02:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)|neku= I'm guessing [http://i.imgur.com/PyS8V.jpg this] isn't a good enough source for a VA?}} | |||
{{Asif|sho=I wouldn't say so yet. Remember, we noted that Jesse McCartney was doing voice acting for a Kingdom Hearts game, but didn't mention what role or game (it was obviously BBS and Ventus) until it was officially announced. We could say something similar in this case, but no definite statements can be made as of yet.}} | |||
{{NinjaSheik|text=I read something similar to that at [http://www.khinsider.com/ KHInsider], but I don't know it's valid enough to count as a source. The people think it's most likely. But yeah, we should wait.}} | |||
== Neku vs. Neku Sakuraba == | |||
English credits list him only as "Neku". What shall we do about the article title? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 04:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Neku calls himself by his full name in-game...pretty early on too. Not sure how you missed that, unless you skipped cutscenes. [[User:Ultima Spark|Ultima Spark]] ([[User talk:Ultima Spark|talk]]) 07:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Or missed the trailer... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 12:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::I did not miss either, thank you very much. But cutscenes are a very unreliable and poor basis for article titles. Just look at [[Xehanort]] and tell me that works out well. I know he was called by his full name in early magazine scans, but the Journal trumps magazines in my opinion, so I'd like to push for the move to "Neku". - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 14:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC) |
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Personally, I choose to interpret "in the world of KH there is no concept of death" to only apply where the Heartless or the Keyblade are concerned/involved. (Unless Nomura means "death" as "cessation of existence" here, else the Underworld, Mufasa's death, and any others I'm forgetting would make no sense.) --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- I'm confused. If there is no death, then what has happened to the slain villains? I know that Lady Tremaine and her daughters would have become Heartless by now, thanks to their hearts being almost-100% darkness, but for everyone else? UxieLover1994 15:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- It may be confusing now, but always remember we don't have the full picture yet. There are holes left which I begin to suspect are intentional. A "cessation of existence" may indeed not be possible as Hades apparently could summon any "dead" being he wanted. Uxie, most of the slain villains can apparently brought back if you know th exact way how and have enough power, as seen with Ursula, Maleficent or Oogie Boogie as an example. The things that we are missing is simply the explanations for that. Sephiroth0812
- Okay, GREAT. We definitely need to post that quote as a citation on the Universe page.
- The way I'm interpreting it, it basically means that there is no complete death. Everything can be brought back, even if it was organically "dead", like the pirates or Auron. It might be in general, or just for these specific characters, but Sora can also revive the disappeared by waking them from his heart. Basically, Nomura is trying to say that in KH there is no concept of total, final death, cessation of existence, as there is in our world -- instead, its basically D&D Death, which is only mildly more irritating than a broken limb."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- Does this mean that there is someone that would have lived for millions of years in this series? I beleave that, once a person is ready to "move on", they go to an afterlife-like place similar to Aslan's Country (from the Narnia series), and return when they have to? If death does not exist, then that's the only place left to go once they "die". UxieLover1994 07:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Pre-release[edit]
Are we quite absolutely certain that this article should be up already? Don't we all remember the mess with Eraqus and the others before BbS was released?
I don't think we should be posting any articles on new characters until they are given a commitment to being in the release, like being in the Famitsu issues. That was our standard last time -- getting special coverage in the magazines counted as commitment, appearing in a trailer or demo did not. I'm really, really uncomfortable with us setting up whole pages for cameo characters the second we get a whiff of them, and I had thought we had all learned from that last time."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- For starters, Neku is a main character. We could've done the same for Quasimodo, but we didn't. We had trouble with the supporting characters and often had to remove the page for Jaq — I, for one, have made sure this did not happen again. But with Neku? First of all, we wonder where that scan and all the other KH3D scans actually came from. TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 15:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- How do we know he is a main character? Have SE made that announcement themselves?
- How does that change anything? Why are we setting up half-empty pages for characters that we've only seen one cutscene of? Why are not staying faithful to our verifiability and reliability policies?
- What happened to us agreeing to keep any necessary updates on the game's own page until release, when can actually do any of this responsibly?
- What happened to us all remembering that this is not a news site, it's an Encyclopedia?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
As always, the point is this: by posting this page, we are trying to extrapolate meaning and make guesses based on one instant of a character's story. For all we know, this cutscene could be the least meaningful part of the character's plot, and yet the page is going to remain defined by our initial impressions here, like always ends up doing. Instead of us being patient and making informed decisions in how we write the page, we're grabbing at scraps. Even worse, we are relying on trailers and demos, which almost by definition are preliminary and subject to change.
Then there's just the question of, why is it so damn important to have the article published in the mainspace "NOW"? Why can't it remain as a draft in the userspace until it, I don't know, has any measure of reliability or usefulness?
I just don't get why every time we start getting info about a game, we have to go through this whole song and dance before we get made to look foolish by posting trivial or false things, when we could just be patient and wait until we can do this wisely. It's not like there's any kind of dearth for other stuff to work on in the mean time."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- I bear in mind that we don't put speculation in — we simply put in what's there. A standard cameo FF character would still have a page longer than this. Like it or not, when we put the page up, it'll be a stub until someone edits it and makes it complete. If there's been any speculation on the page whatsoever, or unsourced information, please edit as you see fit. That screen should have enough translations to get it running, but I'll respect it if you don't wish for the page to be up. TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 15:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, there is no explicitly unsourceable bits on the page yet. However, the concept I am referring to is how what we have may not be representative of his character as a whole, but by putting it up in this manner, the page will be built as if it is the defining trait of his character.
- I guess, what do the admins think, then?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I've no idea. True that we can't focus entirely on what we have, though. TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 16:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Recent deletion and point of order[edit]
This page was deleted because it turned out it was plagiarized from The Keyhole. It needs to be written from scratch, relying only on the published info, and not on other fansites or interpretations.
Also: Has anything actually confirmed that the character is named Neku in KH3D?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- It appears our only confirmation is a small image which shows from his shoulders up. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 02:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- That's pretty bad, then."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 07:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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Neku is a character appearing in the upcoming game Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance.
This part should be changed to ==Story== Sora encounters Neko while looking for Riku. Neku then asks Sora if he will help him in the Reaper's Game. After talking to Sora, he leaves, followed by Sora at a fast pace.
KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 02:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- That's a bit too much to ask for when the stupid article's protected. EnglishJoker 09:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
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I think it should be. If an admin doesn't by the end of tonight, I will, using my backwards methods. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 22:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
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Looks like we're moving the article to Neku Sakuraba. -- AS IF! 17:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
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- Yeah, that translation seems to be accurate. Go ahead and use it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 22:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
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Shiki?[edit]
According to SQEXGAL's translation of the Famitsu article, Nomura hinted to Shiki, Neku's partner, appearing (or at least being referred to) at some point. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 01:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
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Neku introducing himself[edit]
No one noticed that it is somewhat similar to what happened in TWEWY? For reference:
Shiki: "How, for the last time... Tell me your name."
Neku: "...... Neku. Neku Sakuraba."
Shiki: "Neku, huh? Cute name."
Neku (thinks): "Shut up."
I find it awfully similar to what happens at the end of the trailer, although it might be just my paranoia acting up. My signature is NOT short! 09:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm not allowed to "up" it, but I'm really curious. My signature is NOT short! 10:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
- It sounds interesting, but I think it's too tenuous to put on the page, especially since it relies on a trailer. Let's see what the final script is, maybe that will match TWEWY more."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Twister[edit]
It is just me or the Twister played during that video is the remix not the original version --Xabryn21:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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Neku vs. Neku Sakuraba[edit]
English credits list him only as "Neku". What shall we do about the article title? - Eternal Nothingness XIII 04:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Neku calls himself by his full name in-game...pretty early on too. Not sure how you missed that, unless you skipped cutscenes. Ultima Spark (talk) 07:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Or missed the trailer... maggosh 12:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- I did not miss either, thank you very much. But cutscenes are a very unreliable and poor basis for article titles. Just look at Xehanort and tell me that works out well. I know he was called by his full name in early magazine scans, but the Journal trumps magazines in my opinion, so I'd like to push for the move to "Neku". - Eternal Nothingness XIII 14:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Or missed the trailer... maggosh 12:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)