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Can someone provide a link for this?{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 18:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Can someone provide a link for this?{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 18:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
== Was the Keyblade War fought by the Unions? ==
Looking at the events of ''Kingdom Hearts X'', it would be a good bet to say the Unions are responsible for the whole war. At a guess, the [[Lux]] competitions finally got out of hand and each Fortuneteller had their own agendas for protecting [[Kingdom Hearts (world)|Kingdom Hearts]]. [[Ava|Fortuneteller Ava]] founded the Dandylion group, telling them to protect the light. This group could be what started the Keyblade wielders that sparked the current days' protectors and the Dark Seeker Saga.
The light in the hearts of children that rebuilt the lost world, would have been this group. They then divided the worlds to make sure that there was no chance of another Keyblade war. It's possible Kairi's grandmother was one of them, or at least the following generation afterwards as the war took place 100 years before the original Kingdom Hearts. Xehanort's reports mention that his and Eraqus' Master wasn't the only one, which further implies the Dandylions were the progenitors of the new Keyblade weidlers.
I am SO betting this is what the plots have been leading to.{{unsigned|50.249.204.21}}
:Firstly, sign your posts with these: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Secondly, it's [[Foreteller]] not [[Fortuneteller]]. Thirdly, we don't know specifically when the events of Unchained/χ take place, so wherever you heard that it was 100 years ago is WRONG. Fourthly, while this IS what most likely happened, it's still just speculation, which we don't allow here. 'Cause when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series, you really shouldn't take things at face value. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
== Everything up to KH3D was horseshit ==
So, with Back Cover and KHX showing us that the Keyblade War was not fought over the X-blade and Kingdom Hearts itself, as claimed in ''every previous game up to and including KH3D'', but was instead about general mistrust about who the traitor was that was going to betray the World to the encroaching darkness, with the X-blade never once being mentioned, what in god's name are we going to do? Is there some interview I'm missing that explains how this isn't a massive, universe-redefining retcon?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm just gonna sit here, wait for Shard to extract the textures from 2.8 so I can get around to recompiling them and uploading, and really, not much else lol.  It's obvious Tetsuya Nomura has no fucking clue what he's doing.  He never has, and he never will.  And not just with Kingdom Hearts either - that's precisely why he was kicked off of Versus XIII and the project was given to Tabata.  So as far as I'm concerned, there is utterly no point in trying to figure out ANY of this shit since he retcons it every ten minutes.  In layman's terms, Kyrten, [http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/sea-breeze-cocktail-recipe.html here's my suggestion to your question].  You'll thank me for it, and not only because it's delicious, but because it all makes his bullshit just...''just float away like a blur''.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 00:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::Well, the only we can do is point out the contradiction in the articles. But this is a real doozy. The Keyblade War that was fought over the χ-blade was the basis for the series itself, only it to get tossed aside like a rag doll. So, if the Keyblade War wasn't over the χ-blade itself, then how is KHIII going to tie into all of this? I'm guessing they're just going to stick with the original story?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Think we should make a label for it?  Just like how we've got a little notice for stubs, maybe we should have something for contradicting information?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 03:27, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Isn't it possible that Xehanort was just ''wrong''? [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 05:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Could be.  But the most likely explanation is that Nomura doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 05:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Can you never assume good faith with anyone? [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::Can you ever not take everything so personally even when it doesn't remotely concern or involve you?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 04:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::No more of this. Neither of you are acting in good faith.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, maybe I'm wrong, but do we know how long was the Keyblade War? I mean, the War could have began because of the mistrust between the Unions, but at a later point they begin to fight for the X-Blade to get the light of KH, and so ruling over the other?
Remember what Aced was saying at the end of KHx? He wanted to be the only leader/king to make sure peace is possible. And we know that, at one point, all Unions began to gather light to become the strongest one -> "Over time, people came to desire the power of Kingdom Hearts". So, I'd say the real reason of the beginning of the war is the mistrust of the Unions (which seem to be something Xehanort does not know), but to win the war, all Unions fought and tried to get the X-Blade and KH to rule over the other? (after all, Gula said he wanted to summon KH in Back Cover) [[User:Lady Junky|Lady Junky]] ([[User talk:Lady Junky|talk]]) 07:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Lady Junk proposes an interesting theory, but unfortunately, that's all there is to it. The fact of the matter is that we now presented with contradictory information about the Keyblade War with the release of KHX and ''Back Cover''. Again, I think, right now at least, is we mention the info KHX and ''Back Cover'' has given us. Maybe with KHIII, they'll elaborate more about the Keyblade War. Or maybe an interview with Nomura will come out and we can clear up the confusion.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
== Second War ==
Is the conflict in KH3 ever called "The Second War" or a Keyblade War in general? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
:Xehanort refers to the event as "the Keyblade War" when he summons the χ-blade after crystallizing Kairi, but whether that's only because a prophecy said it would be as much is up for debate.<br/>-[[Special:Contributions/24.224.122.183|24.224.122.183]] 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Multiple Keyblade Wars? ==
Based on the information provided by KH3D and BbS on one side, and KHχ itself on the other, as well as recent reveals claiming that there were Keyblade-involved conflicts that plagued the MoM's childhood, I wonder if, perhaps, one of these, if not one that took place before his birth, is the incident that resulted in the χ-blade shattering into those twenty pieces? It would make a sort-of sense, and clear up the inconsistency.<br/>-[[Special:Contributions/24.224.122.183|24.224.122.183]] 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:I get the feeling the Master was being more metaphorical than literal; i.e, the war between light and darkness, and not so much a literal keyblade war. That's my take anyway. --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 01:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::At the very least, there must have been at least one Keyblade War that took place before the events of KHχ, as the one we see at the end of that didn't show the χ-blade breaking, just five groups of Keyblade wielders fighting each other and amongst themselves, with only one wondering why this is even happening. Hell, neither KHχ itself nor Back Cover even showed the χ-blade as if it existed.<br/>-[[Special:Contributions/24.224.122.183|24.224.122.183]] 01:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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WTH!?[edit]

In the gallary there is an image showing Ven looking at a crater, but when you click on it to enlarge the image, it instead shows AQUA looking at the crater. --Evnyofdeath 19:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's haunted.Glorious CHAOS! 20:01, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

What where provide a link plz!

A link please?[edit]

Can someone provide a link for this?{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 18:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Was the Keyblade War fought by the Unions?[edit]

Looking at the events of Kingdom Hearts X, it would be a good bet to say the Unions are responsible for the whole war. At a guess, the Lux competitions finally got out of hand and each Fortuneteller had their own agendas for protecting Kingdom Hearts. Fortuneteller Ava founded the Dandylion group, telling them to protect the light. This group could be what started the Keyblade wielders that sparked the current days' protectors and the Dark Seeker Saga.

The light in the hearts of children that rebuilt the lost world, would have been this group. They then divided the worlds to make sure that there was no chance of another Keyblade war. It's possible Kairi's grandmother was one of them, or at least the following generation afterwards as the war took place 100 years before the original Kingdom Hearts. Xehanort's reports mention that his and Eraqus' Master wasn't the only one, which further implies the Dandylions were the progenitors of the new Keyblade weidlers.

I am SO betting this is what the plots have been leading to.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.249.204.21 (talkcontribs)

Firstly, sign your posts with these: ~~~~. Secondly, it's Foreteller not Fortuneteller. Thirdly, we don't know specifically when the events of Unchained/χ take place, so wherever you heard that it was 100 years ago is WRONG. Fourthly, while this IS what most likely happened, it's still just speculation, which we don't allow here. 'Cause when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series, you really shouldn't take things at face value. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Everything up to KH3D was horseshit[edit]

So, with Back Cover and KHX showing us that the Keyblade War was not fought over the X-blade and Kingdom Hearts itself, as claimed in every previous game up to and including KH3D, but was instead about general mistrust about who the traitor was that was going to betray the World to the encroaching darkness, with the X-blade never once being mentioned, what in god's name are we going to do? Is there some interview I'm missing that explains how this isn't a massive, universe-redefining retcon?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm just gonna sit here, wait for Shard to extract the textures from 2.8 so I can get around to recompiling them and uploading, and really, not much else lol. It's obvious Tetsuya Nomura has no fucking clue what he's doing. He never has, and he never will. And not just with Kingdom Hearts either - that's precisely why he was kicked off of Versus XIII and the project was given to Tabata. So as far as I'm concerned, there is utterly no point in trying to figure out ANY of this shit since he retcons it every ten minutes. In layman's terms, Kyrten, here's my suggestion to your question. You'll thank me for it, and not only because it's delicious, but because it all makes his bullshit just...just float away like a blur. --Ignis (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, the only we can do is point out the contradiction in the articles. But this is a real doozy. The Keyblade War that was fought over the χ-blade was the basis for the series itself, only it to get tossed aside like a rag doll. So, if the Keyblade War wasn't over the χ-blade itself, then how is KHIII going to tie into all of this? I'm guessing they're just going to stick with the original story?--NinjaSheik 23:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Think we should make a label for it? Just like how we've got a little notice for stubs, maybe we should have something for contradicting information? --Ignis (talk) 03:27, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Isn't it possible that Xehanort was just wrong? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 05:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Could be. But the most likely explanation is that Nomura doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. --Ignis (talk) 05:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Can you never assume good faith with anyone? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Can you ever not take everything so personally even when it doesn't remotely concern or involve you? --Ignis (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
No more of this. Neither of you are acting in good faith."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, maybe I'm wrong, but do we know how long was the Keyblade War? I mean, the War could have began because of the mistrust between the Unions, but at a later point they begin to fight for the X-Blade to get the light of KH, and so ruling over the other? Remember what Aced was saying at the end of KHx? He wanted to be the only leader/king to make sure peace is possible. And we know that, at one point, all Unions began to gather light to become the strongest one -> "Over time, people came to desire the power of Kingdom Hearts". So, I'd say the real reason of the beginning of the war is the mistrust of the Unions (which seem to be something Xehanort does not know), but to win the war, all Unions fought and tried to get the X-Blade and KH to rule over the other? (after all, Gula said he wanted to summon KH in Back Cover) Lady Junky (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Lady Junk proposes an interesting theory, but unfortunately, that's all there is to it. The fact of the matter is that we now presented with contradictory information about the Keyblade War with the release of KHX and Back Cover. Again, I think, right now at least, is we mention the info KHX and Back Cover has given us. Maybe with KHIII, they'll elaborate more about the Keyblade War. Or maybe an interview with Nomura will come out and we can clear up the confusion.--NinjaSheik 19:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Second War[edit]

Is the conflict in KH3 ever called "The Second War" or a Keyblade War in general? TheSilentHero 17:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Xehanort refers to the event as "the Keyblade War" when he summons the χ-blade after crystallizing Kairi, but whether that's only because a prophecy said it would be as much is up for debate.
-24.224.122.183 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Multiple Keyblade Wars?[edit]

Based on the information provided by KH3D and BbS on one side, and KHχ itself on the other, as well as recent reveals claiming that there were Keyblade-involved conflicts that plagued the MoM's childhood, I wonder if, perhaps, one of these, if not one that took place before his birth, is the incident that resulted in the χ-blade shattering into those twenty pieces? It would make a sort-of sense, and clear up the inconsistency.
-24.224.122.183 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I get the feeling the Master was being more metaphorical than literal; i.e, the war between light and darkness, and not so much a literal keyblade war. That's my take anyway. --Samoa Joe (talk) 01:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
At the very least, there must have been at least one Keyblade War that took place before the events of KHχ, as the one we see at the end of that didn't show the χ-blade breaking, just five groups of Keyblade wielders fighting each other and amongst themselves, with only one wondering why this is even happening. Hell, neither KHχ itself nor Back Cover even showed the χ-blade as if it existed.
-24.224.122.183 01:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)