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| If a decision has to be made conerning regular users being able to deliver official warnings, I would deny them the ability to do so. Xion4ever suggests only having some of the non-staffers able to deliver the warnings. The issue would be that a qualification would have to be made for an editor to meet to use the warning templates. And that qualification would have to be ''constantly'' changing. For example, if it was edit count that was being judged, the number of required edits would have to be increased depending on the wiki's growth, and edit count can be high for an editor from the blogs and user talk pages. Similarly to the recent age policy stint, it would be all or none for regular users, and I think that it would be better to just have none if you won't be using the templates at all versus all editors being able to use them as official warnings. | | If a decision has to be made conerning regular users being able to deliver official warnings, I would deny them the ability to do so. Xion4ever suggests only having some of the non-staffers able to deliver the warnings. The issue would be that a qualification would have to be made for an editor to meet to use the warning templates. And that qualification would have to be ''constantly'' changing. For example, if it was edit count that was being judged, the number of required edits would have to be increased depending on the wiki's growth, and edit count can be high for an editor from the blogs and user talk pages. Similarly to the recent age policy stint, it would be all or none for regular users, and I think that it would be better to just have none if you won't be using the templates at all versus all editors being able to use them as official warnings. |
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| Or, here's an idea: we could allow the use of the warnings templates to all editors, but only the warnings from staff members count toward a temporary or permanent ban. However, the issue with this is an inappropriate use of the warning templates, as I have seen in the past. Although there are some acceptable reasons for warning templates that seem ridiculous (such as [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki talk:Sandbox|vandalizing the Sandbox]]), new users and even experiences non-staffers give some crazy warnings sometimes that just show that they shouldn't be able to have the power to contribute to the expulsion of a vandal, when in fact they are using warning templates in cases that are not vandalism.}} | | Or, here's an idea: we could allow the use of the warnings templates to all editors, but only the warnings from staff members count toward a temporary or permanent ban. However, the issue with this is an inappropriate use of the warning templates, as I have seen in the past. Although there are some acceptable reasons for warning templates that seem ridiculous (such as [[KHWiki talk:Sandbox|vandalizing the Sandbox]]), new users and even experiences non-staffers give some crazy warnings sometimes that just show that they shouldn't be able to have the power to contribute to the expulsion of a vandal, when in fact they are using warning templates in cases that are not vandalism.}} |
| {{Xion4ever|time=02:48, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Allow me to clear my original post. I mean for all staff members and regular, non-staff users to deliver the warnings. | | {{Xion4ever|time=02:48, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Allow me to clear my original post. I mean for all staff members and regular, non-staff users to deliver the warnings. |
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| Are some of the mistakes users make caused by a misinterpretation of what the warning template is? It's a warning, it's for obvious vandalism or repeated incivility/disruptive behaviour, it shouldn't be given for acts that might be in good faith.}} | | Are some of the mistakes users make caused by a misinterpretation of what the warning template is? It's a warning, it's for obvious vandalism or repeated incivility/disruptive behaviour, it shouldn't be given for acts that might be in good faith.}} |
| {{JFHavoc|time=05:30, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=I agree! Limiting the number of users capable of using the template to such a small number can only be bad.}}{{MC|happy=Yuan has a Point. I Agree!}} | | {{JFHavoc|time=05:30, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=I agree! Limiting the number of users capable of using the template to such a small number can only be bad.}} |
| | {{Malevolence Crystalised|happy=Yuan has a Point. I Agree!}} |
| {{LevL|time=09:37, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yuan is right. Staff members shouldn't be the only users that are allowed to use the warning template.}} | | {{LevL|time=09:37, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yuan is right. Staff members shouldn't be the only users that are allowed to use the warning template.}} |
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| | {{Demonic Kunai|time=17:43, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=yep}} |
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| | {{KKD|time=18:04, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|sora=Yuan always has a point. totally right.}} |
| | {{TNE|time=03:47, January 31, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=''Je suis d'accord !'' ^_^ |
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| | But I'd like to add one more point : it is advised to use the warning templates after you've taken reasonable steps to tell the user about his or her bad acts on the wiki. Like, say, one talk bubble message, two, followed by a warning. Don't slap it immediately. And also do take the initiative to undo edits - we'll be working with you on this one.}} |
| | {{Azul|time=04:19, January 31, 2010 (UTC)|text=I really should participate in wiki-discussions more ofter >> Yes, Yuan and TNE are right. This limit to only staff member should be removed. Assume good faith, an immediate slap of a warning template for something that wasn't really vandalism is the wrong way to go, ya dig?}} |
| | {{Dan da Man36|time=12:21, January 31, 2010 (UTC)|happy2=I agree completely, anyone should be allowed to use them, but only after posting a few messages on their talk page first.}} |
| | {{NinjaSheik|text=I agree. To be honest, we shouldn't have to go easy on users like [[User:RAWR LUXORD RAWR]]. I saw what he did on Marluxia's page. This is a wiki, not a place where you can fool around with you please. Really, why makes people think they can do stuff like that. It's common sense, and they did on purpose, knowing they shouldn't be doing in the first place.}} |
| | {{TNE|time=01:09, February 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I have a feeling that I'll have to remodel the category pages for Administrative and Maintenance Templates... ^_^}} |
| | {{KKD|time=01:58, February 1, 2010 (UTC)|sora=NinjaSheik has a good point as well. If the user is obviously messing pages up purposely, then they should be approached differently than a user who may have had good intentions, but messed up the article. But the thing is, where do we draw the line between good intentions and intentional messing up of the page? I say it should be at profanities. If the user (or anon) is implementing so-called "bad words" in his edit, a warning should be placed sooner than if a new editor simply wrote a section devoid of anything but spoilers. Also, the seniority of the User/Anon should be monitored. if the editor is fairly new, go easy on them! but if they have been around long enough to have a grasp of the rules, then they should be treated accordingly.}} |
| | {{NinjaSheik|text=Thanks for agreeing with me.}} |
| | {{Yuanchosaan|time=04:25, February 1, 2010 (UTC) |
| | |text=Interested parties may like to read the article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith Assuming Good Faith] which is related to the issue KKD brought up. In a nutshell, one should always assume the best intentions if it isn't obvious that the intention is negative.}} |
| | {{LapisScarab|time=22:22, April 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'd really like for the users who supported the decision to limit it to staff members (specifically the staff members that supported it) to read this again and really reopen the discussion. I'd also like to bring to attention [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:216.248.238.2 this editor], who seems to have several other accounts, both registered and unregistered, and is clearly not going to stop his vandalism. With a vandal like this, limiting the users that can give warnings to just the staff will, like Yuan said, be counter-productive. So, discussion?}} |
| | {{Xion4ever|time=12:49, April 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=The past discussion allows all users to use warnings. However, a gentle warning should be given then followed by a warning template (if need be). Could a staff member remove the "it is preferred that only staff members use warning templates" part from all three warning template? |
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| | *[[Template:Warning2|Warning 2]] |
| | *[[Template:Warning3|Warning 3]]}} |
| | {{TNE|time=13:09, April 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'm on it.}} |