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about 90% of this is pure conjecture. We don't know anything about how Xehanort was or exactly what he did while he was at Radiant Garden - we only have the Ansem Reports to go off of, and those are vague at best and most of the information in here is speculation extrapolating from the few bits of information we discover in the Reports. Nowhere is -Xehanort- ever portrayed as a heartless bastard - he's only in one cutscene, and he's decidedly not 'evil'.

Feel free to delete stuff if you don't believe its supported at all. Just make sure you tell us why beforehand. I haven't actually cross-examined this with the ansem repots yet, and there might be quite a bit of speculation there. XienZo 21:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

It's Never said that Xehanort is a heartless bastard but it's more what isn't said. He mentions test subjects in the second report, that their hearts "collapsed" then never says anything else about it. No guilt for senseless "Death"

and we've really only seen xehanort in one cutscene and"both portions of Xehanort which make up is Ulimate characterization) In other words "apprentice Xehanort" may not have been a 'heartless batard' But "heartless and Nobody" certainly were.

Master Xehanort

Do you think he has connections with Master Xehanort? Cuz if he does, we should add that information! Squallinoa 08 19:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, well we don't have any proof of that yet, despite how obvious it is, and because of that, we really shouldn't add that information just yet. XienZo 00:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm just a guest, feel free to ignore this, but I had this theory before KH2 came out that Roxas was connected with Sora and a lot of people dismissed me. Well I have another Theory, I think Xehanort is actually Baldinort's Apprentice, and something happened and they were seperated, Xehanort ended up with Ansem and when asked his name, given his fondness for name thievery, he said his name was Xehanort. It would also explain why the apprentice's suit looks so similar to Riku-possesed-by-Xehanort's outfit.--70.130.133.170 11:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I have a lot on Birth by Sleep and the Xehanort theory on my [home page] and u can see what i have to say there

Final Boss

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival.
TALK - No... They'll pay for this!

Shouldn't the last bullet of the trivia section be edited? Really, Xehanort's Heartless is the true final boss of KH:CoM.That is if you include the Reverse/Rebirth part of KH:CoM.

We have two stories, how can we say one is true and the other isn't ? Why not we edit it such that it says that "it even appears as a final boss in Reverse/Rebirth", and we give the only exception to the rule : the last boss in Sora's Story is Marluxia.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival.
TALK - No... They'll pay for this!

Good idea.

Magnifique ! Let's get to work, then. ^_^

I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • Trois Nyx Étienne

Well, since you have to beat Sora's story before Riku's,from a progression standpoint,Xehanort's heartless is the final boss of chain of memories.

how do u do that chat box thing i want to do it

Trivia not a Forum

I think we should erase the last three trivia points, they are just speculation and this is a wikia not a forum.--Masgrande 23:30, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. But, uh, new topics at the bottom, not somewhere in the middle.—Urutapu 02:28, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry didn't know that.--Masgrande 17:08, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

BBS

found pic of xehanort is bbs as secret fight!!!

It seemed Master Xehanort and Xehanort are the same but Master Xehanort stole Terra's body and become the Xehanort 9-10 years later. So are you going to merge Master Xehanort and Xehanort togther? --Cococrash11 20:40, January 9, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Yeah, I can't seem to find the edit button for this article anywhere, so any chance that will become available now? It's now known that Master Xehanort and the present day one are one in the same, only with Xehanort possessing Terra. We also know that he used Terra to orchestrate the death of Master Eraqus and destroyed the Land of Departure. Him and Braig both met and made plans to become apprentices of Ansem to find a means to control the darkness, so there's quite a lot of information there. I'm just saying, even Wikipedia has this information, so this site should really be updated soon as it is purely a Kingdom Hearts Wiki.-Darknessofhearts @Darkestofhearts: The pages of all BBS-related characters are edit-locked for the time being.--Lapis of the Night 00:40, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just a note, if you look closely in the secret ending where Xehanort is talking to Braig, his boots are the same as the ones his Heartless and Master Xehanort wear - you can tell by the slight swirl indent on the edge. Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:27, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

The name the Birth by Sleep credits gave him is Terra-Xehanort so maybe we should move his article instead of merging it with Master Xehanort, but we should link the articles together like we did with Xehanort, Xehanort's heartless and Xemnas.--Masgrande 13:58, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with not merging the articles. However, at what point should Xehanort's biography begin? The recent edit basically gives all the information on Master Xehanort (without excessive detail however), which I don't think should count for the Terra-Xehanort hybrid

Samoth 12:56, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

We have several different characters here:

Terra (original body, possibly soul or heart)
Master Xehanort (original heart and soul)
Riku (original and final being)

Xehanort (Terra's body, Master Xehanort's heart, one or both of their souls)
Lingering Sentiment (Terra's Absent Silhouette, possibly heart or soul)
Xehanort's Heartless (Master Xehanort and possibly Terra's heart, the brown-cloaked man)
Ansem (Heartless: Master Xehanort's heart in Riku's Body) *[NOT Xehanort's Heartless, we have three whole games which call it Ansem]
Riku-Ansem (intermediate stage with Master Xehanort's heart)
Xemnas (Nobody: Terra's body, either Terra or Master Xehanort's soul, or both)

Because of the unclear location of Terra's heart and soul, we can't specifically say which of these belongs to which, so the only solution is to have a page for each of them. Terra's article will obviously begin with his beginning, and go until MX takes his body. It will then lead on to Xehanort and Lingering Sentiment. Master Xehanort's article will do the same, except that it will go to Xehanort. Riku will cover his entire existence, but take a break for his "Ansem" and "Riku-Ansem" stints.

Xehanort's article will cover his entire period of existence, but will also document the internal struggle of Terra's heart/soul and MX's heart/soul.

Xehanort's Heartless's article will cover his entire period of existence, from his fall into darkness, up to his possession of Riku.

Ansem will cover his entire existence as the dominant personality in Riku's body, up to his subsumation at the end of CoM. Riku-Ansem will cover the portion will cover the being that has Ansem's appearance and powers, but is totally controlled by Riku.

There shouldn't be any overlap between these - once a being takes a different form, the story goes to one or more different articles, but does not continue at the original article.Glorious CHAOS! 19:00, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Image (Spoiler)

Since it's quite important, should we add a picture of Xehanort possessing Terra to the BBS section? Well within the spoiler tags, of course. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:21, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Too many bodies

I've removed this from the page:

Xehanort was once known as Master Xehanort, a highly skilled and revered Keyblade master. Having become corrupt with the concept of darkness throughout his travels, Master Xehanort became obsessed with finding Kingdom Hearts to gain ultimate power. To accomplish his plans, Xehanort crafted his own apprentice known as Vanitas out of the darkness in the heart of one of his former students, Ventus. Using the byproduct of Vanitas's creation, the Unversed, Xehanort begins to search for the Princesses of Heart in an attempt to use the light in their hearts to conquer Kingdom Hearts.
Master Xehanort eventually reunited with his old classmate, Master Eraqus in the Land of Departure to watch over the Master Qualification Exams of Aqua and Terra. Unknown to Eraqus, Xehanort was manipulating the exam by using his powers over darkness, resulting in Terra failing and Aqua passing. In Terra, Xehanort saw great potential and sought to convert him to darkness for the next phase of his plan. Xehanort also sought to make Ventus stronger, as he planned to have Vanitas merge with Ventus to create an ultimate weapon known as the X-Blade, the only weapon capable of opening Kingdom Hearts, under his control.
Over the course of the storyline, Xehanort meets Braig, who joins him in his plans to slowly turn Terra to the dark side, scarring both his eye and face in the process. As Terra accepts the darkness into his heart, Xehanort confronts Master Eraqus and shows his true nature to his former friend. After much turmoil, Xehanort orchestrates the death of Eraqus and destroys the Land of Departure before heading off to claim Kingdom Hearts.

In order to keep the Terra, Master Xehanort, Riku, and derivative pages organized and prevent overlap and redundancy, each one must focus only on its subject. Thus, this page should only focus on "Possession" to "Becoming a Heartless". There should be a Template:Main link to the earlier forms.Glorious CHAOS! 22:39, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Personality Be Needs a Trimmin'

NeutraVega ^{Talk to me, you triple zero!.} — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'."

_{*Cue echo SFX*}

How much of this guy have we seen...? How much of this guy have we read about? Then there's also the fact that his Heartless and Nobody are, ironically, worlds apart in terms of personality. I find much of the personality description in here to be completely hollow and meaningless as NONE of it was ever really shown... It's all assumption. And TWO PAGES of trite assumption is preposterous. If no one has a problem, I'll be trimming it down soon. Based on real information! I know. What a concept.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice?
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?

Agreed. Up until BBS, he appeared in just one cutscene. Even in BBS, he only appears at the end and in the secret ending. Even from what other characters have said about him doesn't back up a lot of what'sin the section. More power to you.

While I agree that Xehanort himself has not made a lot of appearnces, there is quite of a lot of information on him from the various Ansem reports. The reports made by him refer to the people he tranformed into heartless as simply as experiments and not as people. He also has never ever shown as concern for anybody, concern for others was not stated in any of the reports or shown in any of his appearnces. He easily betrayed a man who saved his life, stole his identity, turned his apprentices on him, banished him to another world, and destroyed his world. The guy has no remorse, evident when Ansem the Wise asks if all this suffering and misery is what he wanted and his nobody responds with "All that and more." The Ansem reports state that his Heartless has destroyed numerous worlds and wanted to open Kingdom Hearts to draw out the darkness over all worlds. I can't think of a single scene where he actually tried to help someone without it being for his own personnel gain. I go on, but I'm confused as to how the personality section is not backed up. There is quite a lot of information on this guy, 26 pages to be exact.-worldhearts

NeutraVega ^{Talk to me, you triple zero!.} — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'."

_{*Cue echo SFX*}

I think you're misunderstanding something: There is a clear difference between actions and personality. Action is what they've done, achieved, etc. Personality is how they go about doing these things. Both Xemnas and his heartless are pretty evil dudes who've done pretty much the same stuff in terms of actions. But are they the same personality wise...? Not even close. His Heartless is all crazy evil, and loud with the dramatic glare; obsessive. Yet Xemnas is very quiet, calculating, etc etc. See what I mean? THAT is personality. Xehanort's personality...? We have practically nothing on it. End of story.

Okay, I see what mean now.worldhearts

See, I'd agree if not for the fact that Xehanort himself is writing those reports.(the last 3 reports are his heartless, and five of the secret reports are his nobody.)What a person writes about, how he writes,their priorities("The experiments caused the test subject's heart to collapse, including those of the most stalwart.How fragile our hearts are!") say something about his character no? I don't know what can be said of his personality, because it changes so much (the Xehanort that was first born is different after LS beat him up and in turn, changed when he lost his memories and in turn, changed as braig started to manipulate him.)However while both heartless and nobody are different from each other they both share aspects of the original. And there are similarities between them actually, both have a certain flair for the dramatic,From Ansem's "DARKNESS" to Xemnas' sweeping arm gestures and exaggerated expressions and speeches ("Good tidings friends" "Nothingness is ETERNAL") and both are completely obsessed with Kingdom Hearts,out of similar, but different desires to be complete.65.184.80.86 04:10, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Separation

As mentioned on the talk pages, the various Xehanort/Riku/Terra pages should be strictly covering their subject, and use "main" links to get to the continuing story. As such, this has been removed from the page, and needs to be merged with the Ansem-Riku and Xemnas pages.Glorious CHAOS! 19:13, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanort's Heartless

Xehanort's Nobody took the concept of his original name being an anagram with an X in it and applied it to the name he stole, Ansem. Thus he was called Xemnas who created The Organization, later called Organization XIII, with the other apprentices at its core. Like Xemnas, all the other members rearranged their names and put an X in them in order create a new identity for themselves. They sought to become complete beings again and be whole. Meanwhile, Xehanort's Heartless, still calling himself "Ansem", remained a spirit seeking to plunge all that is in darkness. Both portions of Xehanort sought Kingdom Hearts in order to wield the power it possesses and unleash it into the universe.

Xehanort's Heartless' plans were to control other beings and use them to collect the Princesses of Heart and use them to open up the portal to Kingdom Hearts. To this end, he commanded the Heartless to manipulate the darkness within the Disney villains to serve their needs. Maleficent, being manipulated by the Heartless, led this group of villains to control the darkness by using the heartless and collecting the princesses to open the path to Kingdom Hearts through an artificial keyhole. This group used Hollow Bastion as a base of operations and used Ansem's reports to help them control the heartless and the darkness.

None of them knew, however, that they were being used by a far greater evil that was residing in the shadows, waiting for the opportune moment to claim Kingdom Hearts for himself. At the same time, Xehanort's heartless would use the Heartless to destroy entire worlds and collect the world hearts to form the dimension of Kingdom Hearts itself. He also searched for a host to take control of so that he may regain a physical presence. His choice for a host would later turn out to be Riku.

Exploiting Riku's jealous friendship with Sora, Xehanort's heartless nearly shattered their friendship and took possession of Riku's body, sending his heart to the dark realm. Unfortunately for him, the goal he sought for throughout his whole life, Kingdom Hearts, ended up destroying him with its light, giving Riku back his body. Kingdom Hearts was soon sealed away by Sora and King Mickey, which destroyed billions of heartless and the End of the World as well as restoring all the worlds taken by Xehanort and the Heartless. (Xehanort's Heartless would still live on in Riku, causing some of the events of Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts II)

Xemnas, Xehanort's Nobody.

Meanwhile, Xemnas, the Nobody of Xehanort, sought to find Kingdom Hearts by collecting human hearts. His goal was to use Kingdom Hearts to make himself a kingdom, where he would be the ruler forever. Leading Organization XIII (Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Saïx, Axel, Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene, Roxas, and Xion), Xemnas controlled all Nobodies and constructed a fortress that would serve as a base of operations: The Castle that Never Was. Organization XIII recruited other powerful Nobodies in their plans to find Kingdom Hearts and use its power to become complete beings again. Xemnas eventually found a fortress known as Castle Oblivion and converted it into a base of experiments where the nature of memory would be experimented on.

He was also searching frantically for a room called the "Chamber of Waking" and believed it to be somewhere within this fortress. In the meantime, Organization XIII brought chaos and destruction to many worlds in order to create more Heartless and Nobodies to control. Research was also put into the Keyblade and the Organization eventually learned that it held the literal key to forming and obtaining Kingdom Hearts.

And Xemnas, unlike his Heartless counterpart, achieved his goal. But after all of the other Organization members were slain by Sora, fate turned back on him and Kingdom Hearts was scattered by Ansem the Wise himself in an explosion that killed the former ruler of Radiant Garden. Xemnas, with no other option, absorbed the remnants of Kingdom Hearts and became ultimately powerful. However, in a climactic battle with Sora and Riku, Xemnas was destroyed by the light of the Keyblade and faded, taking Kingdom Hearts with him. This also ended the reign of Organization XIII and the Nobodies and, as Sora stated after the battle, restored the realm of light to peace and safety.

By the end of Kingdom Hearts II, the madness of Xehanort seemed to have finally been destroyed by Sora and Riku, but it is unknown if this can truly be seen as a fact.

To whoever edited the trivia section of this page, it matters not the order in which heartless and nobody are destroyed, so long as both are destroyed. I've edited the page accordingly.-Xabrin

It was I who edited it. I think it does matter. Not sure whether this is true or not, but I think I heard that if a Nobody is destroyed before it's Heartless other, it will disappear into nothingness as it has nowhere to go unless of course it's Heartless other was sent to Kingdom Hearts thus giving a place for the Nobody to go. -Rucario

"Not sure whether this is true or not, but I think I heard" - ergo it's speculation and should not be added. Doreiku Kuroofangu 15:41, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Except we heard that from Nomura.—Urutapu 20:50, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Mickey doesn't make sense

Especially with the bit in Days, it doesn't make sense that Mickey is confusing Sora and the others in KH2. He knows that Riku calls this Ansem, and he knows that's not the "real" Ansem.

Honestly, the whole thing comes off as a pathetic attempt to make a twist out of the first game, which changes an interesting "fall into darkness" into a cliched "same evil guy comes back again and again, and he's just evil for no reason".

Would it be feasible to mention Mickey's inconsistency in the trivia?Glorious CHAOS! 07:44, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

i'm not sure what you're saying the inconsistency is. is it that mickey didn't tell riku that it wasn't really the "real" Ansem? --Neumannz 08:03, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

As long as we know what the motive of that same evil guy is. Re:Chain shows a lot of flaws in this whole "Ansem" trick. KH1 and KH2 showed continuity. TROISNYX

AM D G Sulu mata engkudu ! 08:04, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

The whole thing's a mess. Sora and friends can tell from a glance at the portrait that it was "Ansem"'s original being, but BBS reveals that "Ansem" simply has the appearance of Master Xehanort as a young man, and that Xehanort is simply a white-haired Terra. Then, Days reveals that Riku showed "Riku-Ansem" to Mickey before KH2, (and we know that he was calling this form "Ansem" from CoM through early KH2, and told Mickey about it) (and there was the bit where Mickey's hologram fought off Ansem, so we know he saw Xehanort's Heartless), and yet in KH2, Mickey immediately tells Sora that "Oh no, it's this other guy, you guys are silly".Glorious CHAOS! 08:14, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Except we don't actually know what MX looked like when he was young, other than the build and the hairstyle, and we don't know when and how Riku found out that "Ansem" wasn't Ansem (for all we know Mickey explained it on the road away from Castle Oblivion; Calling himself "Ansem" at the beginning of KH2 may have been nothing more than poetic... appropriateness, so to speak. Well, actually we know that it was). I don't think Riku used the name "Ansem" once in Days to refer to X's H. And Mickey acknowledged that he needed to explain everything to Sora in KH2. --Neumannz 08:30, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

We still see in Days that XH still looks like young MX, not like the kind of thin Xehanort we see, and the clothes only make it more obvious.

To be accurate, I guess, Riku does not actually call it "Ansem" in Days, but the scene title is "Riku-Ansem", indicating that Xehanort is still a "spoiler", chronologically.

The organization also call the Heartless "Ansem" throughout Re:CoM

In Re:CoM, Mickey says, and is told by Riku

Mickey: "Phew! Sure glad I made it in time! That oughta keep Ansem busy for a

while."

Mickey: "The power of light should keep Ansem locked up for a while."
Riku: "There's no point in doing this if I can't do it on my own. But I do need

a favor. If Ansem is the victor, he's going to enslave me. If that happens, use your powers to destr---"

Indicating that he is clearly still calling the silver-haired guy Ansem, and isn't correcting Riku about it.

DiZ also calls XH "Ansem" in CoM, and while Riku is clearly being poetic to call himself "Ansem" at the beginning of KH2, there is absolutely no indication that he knows that the Heartless wasn't named Ansem - it's more of a "This is who I am now".

Then, as soon as Mickey shows up in KHII, he says:

Mickey: "So that means you might be able to find out where he is!"

Indicating that he is not at all confused about Ansem being an ally, and silver-hair being an impostor villain.

Now, it is certainly possible to come up with some reason as to why Mickey uses the wrong name with Riku without any hesitation, but acts like Sora and Goofy should already know which Ansem is the real one. However, from what the game gives us, it's pretty illogical.Glorious CHAOS! 22:18, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Mickey couldn't remember "Ansem's" true name in CoM he only remember it when he see Xemnas in KH2 and the only reason why he tells it to Sora, Donald and Goofy is because of the true Ansem picture in that computer in Radiant Garden, what i mean is maybe he don't call XH by the reall name because he doesn't remember it--Xabryn 17:42, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

But before that scene, when Sora and them mention Ansem (without pictures) in relation to Space Paranoids, Mickey immediately says "So that means you might be able to find out where he is!", indicating that he knows he's looking for the good Ansem.Glorious CHAOS! 15:36, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, he did know whose study and computer room those were. By that time, Mickey probably realized that AtW had to be around somewhere. Anyway, it's been most of a year since CoM, so there's no reason why his focus couldn't have shifted to the real Ansem. After all, what was he doing for all this time + most of KH2?

Side question, because it's been bugging me. I feel like Mickey should remember the events of BBS, since he was significantly involved, and I feel like it should have come up sometime during KH2, but for the life of me I can't figure out where. So does he remember now, or not until near the end of coded? --Neumannz 17:24, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

@KrytenKoro:Sora says Ansem The Wise that's why he mention the find where he thing @Neumannz:I think that he and others characters might have forget about the time in bbs lets say for example Donald and Goofy it doesn't look like that they remember about Yen Sid's Tower--Xabryn 19:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura said that they do remember the tower, but that they are commenting on how it has a different layout now.Glorious CHAOS! 00:20, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, let's play this game:

While investigating Ansem the Wise's study in Hollow Bastion, Sora, Donald, and Goofy came across a painting of an unknown man. They soon deduced, however, that this man was the original being of the Heartless known as "Ansem", whom Sora had defeated a year ago. After learning more about Ansem the Wise, Sora, Donald, and Goofy returned to Ansem's study, where they ran into King Mickey. The King indicated that the true Ansem was not the one they had known and that this being had been naught but an imposter. Upon their return, a picture of an unknown man appeared on Ansem's computer, whom Mickey identified as the true Ansem. Soon after the Battle of the 1000 Heartless, the trio encountered Xemnas, the imposter's Nobody and the superior of Organization XIII. Mickey was finally able to remember Xemnas's original being was Xehanort, an appentice of Ansem the Wise. He then proceeded to explain a meeting between himself and Ansem in which Xehanort was present. The name then progressed to be used by the King as a reference to Xemnas.

"came across" is in past tense, which is incorrect. This error is compounded throughout the section, so I'm not going to list every instance.
"They soon deduced, however," - the "however" is not appropriate, since the lines don't contradict, and the "soon deduced" is inaccurate - they see the portrait, and they say "oh, this must be Ansem's study".
"whom Sora had defeated a year ago" - "Ansem" is the subject here, not Sora, so "whom" is incorrect.
"After learning more about Ansem the Wise" - removing the line about Tron makes the "returned to Ansem's study" clause nonsensical.
"not the one they had known" - he's not dead or gone, at all, so "had known" is incorrect.
"that this being had been naught but an imposter" - are you serious? Also, you spelled impostor wrong.
"Upon their return" - again nonsensical, because you remove the bit about Tron.
"a picture of an unknown man appeared" - they do find it, albeit accidentally, and active voice is the preferred phrasing for synopses, not passive voice.
"Battle of the 1000 Heartless" is not an official term, and should not be propagated as if it were. "Army of 1000 Heartless" is the closest we got, and even then it's still only a dub guide term, not an in-universe term.
It is absolutely inappropriate to the article to re-explain who Xehanort is.
The meeting with Ansem, in which Xehanort showed up, should be covered above this point. The article is supposed to detail, chronologically, Xehanort's story, not Mickey's. Most of the stuff in the KHII section is only tenuously relevant to the article.
"The name then progressed to be used by the King as a reference to Xemnas." - Again, are you serious?

Glorious CHAOS! 18:22, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

		Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 19:24, March 26, 2010 (UTC)



		Wow, that's horrifying.

Okay, ENX, I am really tired of this. Your version of the section violates several of the writing policies, and is honestly, badly written and overwrought. Furthermore, you reverted again without addressing the concerns I highlighted here, which is not good wikiconduct.Glorious CHAOS! 04:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Also, KH1 was not "Sora's last quest".Glorious CHAOS! 04:49, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanort is not "born".

"Master Xehanort's heart takes over Terra's body, and thus the new Xehanort is born."
"Xehanort first appeared chronologically in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, born at the Keyblade Graveyard when Master Xehanort used his Keyblade to unlock his heart and possess Terra after the creation of the X-Blade."

The term "born" means to be brought into creation through the passing of life from a parent or parents to their offspring, when referring to a biological or "living" subject. Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep reveals that Xehanort was not a character that was "born" into the Kingdom Hearts universe, as we assume that characters such as Sora, Tarzan, Mulan, and Kairi are, but instead is the product of one character possessing another. Xehanort has no biological parents; no life was passed to him from a parent. This has been reverted several times when I attempt to change it to other verbs other than "born" that fit the subject much more appropriately than "born", and I am quite frankly tired of someone continuing to do so after having been told not to with a good explanation for no reason; this is bad wikiconduct. --^D T N 23:02, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree but is he born he isn't exacly like Master Xehanort or exacly like terra he is more like the two of them together, so if Xehanort have to have "parents" i would say that they are MX and Terra, and as ENX said the term "born" has more than one meaning--Xabryn 23:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Even metaphors are inappropriate if they can be easily interpreted as false information. There is no reason not to use "created", "brought into existence", or some such.Glorious CHAOS! 08:59, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanort render and stats

Enjoy :D Kaihedgie 18:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Kyaa! Cool!--Ninja Sheik 18:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Of interest: the name used is "Terra-Xehanort".Glorious CHAOS! 22:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Terra-Xehanort

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person
TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Can we please stop calling xehanort in BbS Terra-Xehanort? It's not like he's any different than normal xehanort, he's just dressed differently, so their is no point differentiating it

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 18:55, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

The term "Terra-Xehanort" is what is officially used to refer to his form in BBS by the end credits and Utlimania. But we should NOT be calling him Terra-Xehanort, as this will lead to confusion, cause spoilers, and tamper with consistency.

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To be accurate, "Terra-Xehanort" is when both beings are still conscious within his mind, and able to struggle for control. "Xehanort" is a new personality basically formed from what leaked out of the two sealed hearts.

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This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 12:45, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Curious

In BBS Xehanort's hair is silver, however in the flashback to Mickey's first meeting with him it is off white. It would seem this meeting happened shortly after Xehanort became Ansem's apprentice, maybe a year had passed. So how did his hair fade that much in such a short period of time? --Evnyofdeath 17:40, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

It may have something to do with the darkness in his heart fading somewhat after he lost his memories. For Xehanort silver may be closer to darkness while white is more neutral but it's more of a light silver which is closer to white. You can clearly see that Ansem Seeker of Darkness has silver hair and as heartless are more powerful the more darkness in the heart there was this could be the correct assessment but until we get word from Nomura this is all just speculation. Xander19

Timeline narrowing

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TALK - No, I'm no hero... - Lying Memories 09:56, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ok so I can at least tell you how long a timeframe between BBS and the start of KH1 there was before Xehanort became a Heartless and Nobody because I've seen a lot of "between BBS and KH", so this can make it look a little better, though I bet it's common knowledge. If it is, you can ignore this. At most there was 1 year before Xehanort and everyone else lost their hearts. I got this because Leon said the raid on his homeworld was 9 years before the start of Kingdom Hearts, and BBS takes place 10 years before Kingdom Hearts. So within that one year, the apprentices performed their experiments alongside Ansem and eventually it got out of hand. That should sum it up.

omg i get it now

No Earth

I know Nomura said that No Earth is NOT one of the canon anagrams of Xehanort's name, but now that we know of his origin, its rather creepy because Terra means Earth in Latin. It makes you think, did Nomura plan that, or was it complete couincidence, and he went with it? --Evnyofdeath 18:44, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

probably a coincidence, but definitely an interesting one at that --ShadowsTwilight 18:58, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

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Here's another thing; take the word Earth out of Xehanort, and you're left with X N O. Rearrange the letters and you get Nox; the Latin word for darkness.

Damn Nomura. Wether its intentional or not, you've turned Xehanort's name into a swamp of symbolism. --Evnyofdeath 19:02, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Young Master Xehanort/Xehanort similarities

While their faces may be shaped differently, YMX and Xehanort have similar gaits builds (though Xehanort is buffer) and after Xehanort grows his hair out the only difference I can see in their hairstyle is that Xehanort has two side spikes and his bangs frame his face differently. I think this similarity should be mentioned somewhere. --Evnyofdeath 18:08, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

While Xehanort wears himself the way he did as a young'n, it's still Terra's body, and the parts of it that are unchangeable differ from the original Xehanort's look.Glorious CHAOS! 18:28, September 22, 2010 (UTC):

Alright. Its just I'm never gonna be able to look at Xehanort and NOT see the similarities between him and the young Master Xehanort now that I've seen MX's young appearance. --Evnyofdeath 18:30, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Main Antagonist

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Is he really the main antagonist? In fact he plays a minor role. It are mostly his nobody and heartless that have a big role so he is indirectly the main antagonist. He only plays a large role in BBS.

It is because of his actions that nearly every bad thing in the KH universe has happened. --Evnyofdeath 20:46, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Not exactly. BBS reveals that it was all MASTER Xehanort's doing. He started it off. It was because of Master Xehanort that Xehanort was created, Organization XIII was created, Maleficent's Disney Villain council was created, and even how Sora came to wield the Keyblade (he split Ventus' heart in two, which led to it merging with Sora's). I don't think Tetsuya Nomura ever said that THIS incarnation of Xehanort is the main villain of the Xehanort Saga, and since Master Xehanort is the original, true and purest form of Xehanort, I think he is the main villain. Xehanort is a form Master Xehanort took when possessing Terra, and he's gone. Master Xehanort is back, not Xehanort, so I think it's best to say Xehanort is Terra possessed by Master Xehanort, and Master Xehanort is the main antagonist of the XS. EnglishJoker 19:57, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

The current incarnation of Xehanort is actually a person.When Xehanort possessed Terra it caused Terra and Xehanort's personalities to merge creating a new entity now known as simply Xehanort.Two beings who merged to form something new.Since this Xehanort is a different person we and he is the one who caused much termoil after BBS he is the main antagonist.This Xehanort is different and has actions do not involve Master Xehanort.--The Dark Master 02:22, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

KH3D vs. KHII and Others

Eternal Nothingness XIII - But why? Help me understand, Master Xehanort. What is it that I have failed to learn?
TALK - What? How did I— What did I do? What did YOU do? — 22:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

So based on the image below, Xehanort used Master Xehanort's Keyblade at some point to unlock Braig's heart. It is obvious Even and Ienzo suffered this fate as well since they are seen collapsed on the ground, and Braig asks if Xehanort's memories have returned (memories of wielding the Keyblade and unlocking hearts as Master Xehanort, most likely).

How do we update/change this article now that KH3D is beginning to contradict what was established as canon in the earlier games?

Braig's heart is unlocked by Xehanort.

The other apprentices' articles have been updated accordingly with this new information (though we should probably revert it since, aside from Braig, as well as Even and Ienzo to some extent, the other apprentices' fates are speculation), but Xehanort is a little more difficult. Ideas/aid from the community is appreciated.

What's the contradiction?
The only one we're sure Xehanort stabbed was Braig, right? (What is it Braig said to him again?) --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 23:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 23:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The contradiction is that everything we said on here previously is that the apprentices lost their hearts during their repeated experiments; it is never specified how, though this does give us a time period as to when Xehanort does this to Braig.

What you say is true, Braig is the only one actually seen stabbed... But Ienzo and Even aren't just taking a nap. What Braig supposedly says to Xehanort and the scene in general can be seen with English subtitles here.

EDIT (23:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC): See the following image:

Even and Ienzo in the TGS trailer after their hearts are unlocked by Xehanort.

If you look closely at the image, you see ripples of darkness flowing off them, and if you watch the trailer, you notice it in greater detail, as well as the fact that they are both fading. It's pretty obvious that Xehanort did this to them, as well as Braig.

EDIT: (23:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC): This image below shows what Braig states to Xehanort (either that or it's Yen Sid's narration; I can't understand an inkling of Japanese):

Xehanort summons Master Xehanort's Keyblade before Braig.

You don't know that what happened here wasn't caused by the disastrous results of one of their experiments. Did something happen that caused Even and Ienzo to be overcome by darkness and Xehanort to remember how to summon his Keyblade and to go berserk? Even and Ienzo are halfway across the room from him, and I doubt he summoned the Keyblade, stabbed them, dismissed the Keyblade, dashed across the room, summoned it again, and then rushed Braig and stabbed him. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 23:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

How in the blistering hell do you know this scene isn't from the present time? What part of "responsible editing" doesn't make sense?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

For all the bitching about how this possibly breaks canon, it doesn't. There's the possibility that the Reports aren't entirely factual. Hexed 02:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh my God, Kryten. It's common sense that this scene is from the past. When you said you were the fun one on the lane, who was your competition? The mailbox? - Erry 07:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

How about the last sentence in the summarized interview with Nomura regarding the story in the last Famitsu? "The opening of this title will be in Xehanort’s point of view. Additionally, there will be a surprise unlike anything seen before in the last scene." I've got the feeling that this "surprise" is very important and any speculation at this point could be contradictory or just plain false. --ShardofTruth 09:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Erry: For all we know, Xehanort's come back and immediately decides he wants them all to be Nobodies again. We don't know what the context of this scene is. It's...acceptable...to post what we can intuit in the "other appearances" section, but once you guys start building speculation based on contextless trailer scenes into the material that we are claiming is confirmed and canon...you're going off the gotdamn deep end."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Ienzo is a kid in this picture.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE'RE NOT GUESSING. ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THIS (PROBABLY) HAPPENED AT SOME POINT. More likely than not it was back when they lost their hearts, because of what's going on in the scene and what Braig is saying, BUT STILL. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 14:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Again, common sense. Why he would come back when NONE OF THEM are even shown to be back? Only one confirmed to be back is Xehanort, thus it is common sense that this was in the past. When you said you were the fun one on the lane, who was your competition? The mailbox? - Erry 15:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

BUT STILL. This will undoubtedly turn out to have some complication, so let's keep that in mind and not take this at face value. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)