Talk:Kingdom Key

Mickey's Keyblade

"he obtained when traveling through the Realm of Darkness"

I've seen this on a few pages and I still don't get where its coming from. Mickey's keyblade was first SEEN in the Realm of Darkness, when he and Sora seal the door. But this is also the first time MICKEY is seen. I dont know where people are getting that thats where he got the keyblade. Could anyone tell me where this idea comes from? Zephyrus11 23:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Here's another thought : there's speculative info on Terra and Ven taking the Kingdom Key and the Way to the Dawn respectively. Someone added it in. I didn't remove it for now. Should I remove it ? It's the last sentence in the article, take a look. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

I've checked through the Ansem Reports, and they don't even mention there being a keyblade for each world. I'm pretty sure this was just a fan theory back on the boards to explain Riku, Mickey, and Sora, since I remember it from there, and I'm not sure it has any real basis in canon.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Read here http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-28-29/#ar

Yen sid says it in kh2.--74.210.24.180 22:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed from page

The key chain attached (the Mickey Mouse insignia) draws out the Keyblade's true form and power. King Mickey uses a similar weapon that he obtained when traveling through the Realm of Darkness. It was forged in the Realm of Light opposite to King Mickey's being forged in the Realm of Darkness.

I couldn't find or remember anything backing this up, so I moved it from the article.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

again http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-28-29/#ar

By that measure, I think that claim would belong on the Keyblade page, not here.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The thing about "True form and power" comes from KH2 in game description. Myself 123 18:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

That description even appeared in KH1. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Where does that description appear? My item screen only talks about its ability.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 04:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

When you select items/weapons/accessories for Sora, take a look at the Keyblades. The description appears on the bottom of the screen, if I'm not mistaken (for it's been ages since I played KH1). Whilst for other Keychains, the description talks about their reach/their critical finishes etc., the description that appears when the Kingdom Key is selected (or even hovered over) does talk about its "true form and power". Edit: I put the sentence about "true form and power" back into the article. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

I haven't checked KH1 yet, but KH2's description definitely doesn't have what you guys are saying it does:

"A keychain attached to the Keyblade. Increases defense at critical moments."

I've also gone through all the cutscenes up to Sora's first, and I didn't see a "Weapon Get" for the Kingdom Key that could possibly have this text.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Check KH1. I'm positive it's at the description at the bottom of the screen. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Okay, KH1 has "The key chain attached draws out the Keyblade's true form and power." Got it.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Images

It was agreed that when there was more than one infobox, the image would be in the lead (in fact, this might be for every Keyblade regardless). So, since we have the Kingdom Key image in the lead, we don't use it in the infoboxes.Glorious CHAOS! 22:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

358/2 Info Box

is there a better way to have the 358/2 Days infobox to not have roxas/xion's data all over sora's? right now it's annoying as all hell to look at (pardon my language). [this is also a problem i have with Frozen Pride] --Neumannz 07:09, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I suppose it would be possible to move the unit boosts into a separate cell, but the Kingdom Key is the same weapon, so I don't know how we'd appropriately separate Sora and Roxas's versions. A lot of the data, like the abilities and description, does overlap. I guess it could be possible to separate it into "Days (Roxas/Xion)" and "Days (Sora)", but that's kind of inelegant.Glorious CHAOS! 07:43, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I remade the template, the problem is solved.

Days and KH2

What cutscenes does only the KK appear in? I believe the only uncontrollable ones would be Roxas's memories. If so, could someone list those, so we can mention those in the article.Glorious CHAOS! 22:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Ventus's Keyblade?

UnknownEnigma - In the meantime, would you be interested in meeting another who is considered a hero? TALK - Your existence is worth nothing! There is a line in one of the first few paragraphs that talks about Ventus's keyblade. Should this stay in the article? Perhaps a discussion about it would be necessary. Oh, yes. A "citation is needed" superscript is placed by it.

Xions Keyblade?

how did roxas get ventus's keyblade when he absorbed xion?

Either witnessing Xion's death or absorbing Sora's memories that Xion contained awoken the ability to dual-wield within Roxas. --ΧƳƵach. 01:26, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Key+ vs Kingdom Key++

Possibly an interesting trivia note, because Roxas/ Xion's Kingdom Key+ is only equitable through the Zero Gear, it is a higher quality weapon than Sora's Kingdom Key++, which is equitable via Omega Gear, Omega Gear+, Champion Gear, Champion Gear+, Ultimate Gear, and Ultimate Gear+.--ΧƳƵach. 01:46, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

don't get it

when the heartless got stronger i used metal chocoobo and it was weak but when i used the kingdom key it was stronger65.32.75.73 20:51, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but...what? maggosh 20:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think he/she means that the Kingdom Key was stronger than the Metal Chocobo. More likely that you were just at a higher level.LapisLazuliScarab20:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

i might have because i had dawn or the fact that i got better critical combos before that or that or lapis sacrab might be right P.S sorry for the confusion maggosh65.32.75.73 23:16, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Appearences

Secret agent clank - Good, let's see what you're made of. TALK - Exactly what I said, idiot. - {{{time}}} It also appeares in BBS but in the X-Blade's design.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} That's not the same thing

Secret agent clank - Good, let's see what you're made of. TALK - Exactly what I said, idiot. - {{{time}}} Maybe not, but it does appear. It could also be in the Trivia section.

CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - Join the Darkness. We have cookies. Dark Chocolate Chip Cookies! — 20:10, October 11, 2010 (UTC) It's not the same at all. Kingdom Key ITSELF has to appear. That's like saying the Wayfinder appears in Days because it's on Oathkeeper. I understand where you're getting this from, but it's just not right.

Pictures...

Dbdbz Talk to Me! — Don't ever forget, wherever you go, I'm always with you. He's far away, but I know we'll see him again. — 22:10, December 2, 2010 (UTC) I think that we should have a gallery of the way the Kingdom Keyblade looks in each world of Kingdom Hearts 2.

Sorce or its just spaculation.

The Kingdom Key draws out the true power of Sora's Keyblade, even though it is not the strongest Keychain. As such, it is the true form of his Keyblade, which means that it is also the default form of Roxas's and Xion's Keyblades.

Were was it said that the Kingdom Key is just the base form of Sora's Keyblade and not the base form of all Keyblades? Because as far as I've seen that's just a fan wank on the scale of Ridley being cloned between games.Ether101 Prime 11:50, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

....it's the official description for the Kingdom Key. In like, every game that it appears in.

You didn't look real hard before crying that it must be fake, did you?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, are you talking Ridley from Metroid? Dude, they outright say he was cloned in Metroid Fusion. You get to see it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:49, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro, there's nothing in any of the games that suggest that the Kingdom Key discretion is referring to Sora's Keyblade alone and as far I've read it isn't supposed to be taken that way. Unless someone can prove otherwise this is nothing short of a fan wank that being passed off as truth just like how people such as yourself believe that Redliy is cloned between games even thou there's proof to the contrary but that's an example so lets drop it or you can show your argument to here.Ether101 Prime 07:03, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

"....it's the official description for the Kingdom Key. In like, every game that it appears in."

Yeah, the game doesn't suggest anything from the game. maggosh

1) You seriously see an X Parasite clone Ridley. That's why it's called Ridley X.

2) I didn't say anything about "every game". Ridley in Metroid Prime is a cyborg reanimation of the original. Ridley in Corruption is the same Ridley, with Phazon reanimation and enhancement. Meta Ridley in Metroid Zero Mission is a robot. I was talking just about Fusion, where you SEE THE BLOODY THING GET CLONED. And from what I've read about Other M, that Ridley is cloned too.

3) The Kingdom Key is a Keychain. It's the true form of Sora's Keyblade, but it's a Keychain. If it worked on anyone else's Keyblades, they would have that Keychain, and since it would be the "true form", it would be the default form of their Keyblade. As it is, only Sora has that Keychain. (Also Nomura has said stuff like the Way to the Dawn being Riku's true Keyblade, etc.)"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 08:30, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Etymology section

This is an effort to put a paragraph into the article to make it complete; please help out. Thanks! ^Tambours_Néant Ensemble ! 07:45, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

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Taken from X-blade

The Keychain's two crossed Kingdom Keys is reminiscent of the symbol of the "Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven". Although it is not seen in this incarnation, it is especially significant that the Kingdom Key has a silver blade and gold hilt, and the Kingdom Key D has a gold blade and silver hilt, matching the keys on the symbol.

Kingdom Key version? (Links to be added accordingly)

The Kingdom Key, as well as its counterpart, the Kingdom Key D, are reminiscent of the symbol of the "Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven". The Kingdom Key has a silver blade and gold hilt, and the Kingdom Key D has a gold blade and silver hilt, matching the keys on the symbol. Both the Kingdom Key and the Kingdom Key D are needed to close and open the doors leading to Kingdom Hearts, the heart of all worlds, strengthening this reference.

Main pagetabs

Something's weird going on with them, they're shrunken and detached from the page. Anyone else seeing this?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 05:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Everything looks fine to me. Maybe the wiki was having a glitch earlier?--NinjaSheik 20:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm seeing the navbars on the left as slightly shrunken while on this page... --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:38, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

As am I. maggosh 22:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'm seeing both of those things. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

It's something to do with the <div> tags. When you said you were the fun one on the lane, who was your competition? The mailbox? - Erry 23:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Narrowed it down to the div containing the KH3D infobox. Not sure how to fix it, though. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 02:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

It's the tabs around the image, I'm fixing it now."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:08, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I screwed up the if templates pretty bad, but I'm not sure what I was trying to do in the first place. It's fixed now."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I added that tab hoping to have gotten it right, so we can show Grid recolors of Keyblades. Maybe I should've consulted you first. When you said you were the fun one on the lane, who was your competition? The mailbox? - Erry 02:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Well, silly arrogance on my part then."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 04:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

KHIIFM description

"A keychain attached to the Keyblade. Halves damage taken in critical situations."

How do we add this to the infobox without screwing things up? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 06:37, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I think the note shouldn't be used in this case, since the description describes the effect of the ability, which changed between KHII and KHIIFM. Therefore, I think we should use tabs. TheSilentHero 15:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

There are two cases here, descriptions that have been updated, for Keyblades that have not had their ability changed (e.g. Monochrome), and descriptions that have been replaced entirely, for Keyblades that have new abilities (e.g. Kingdom Key). I'm going to agree against using the note for the latter, and I'm going to test a different option for that.

EDIT: Actually, the tabs might not be a bad option. Incidentally, there are a only a few weapon with new abilities and only one that has the same ability but a change of stats (Gull Wing). --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Um.

The FM2 ability should be "Damage Control", not "Defender". クライシスハーフ, not ディフェンダー. Is this an issue with the English localization of the game falsely conflating names? Or did FM2 in Japan's 2.5 also change the name to Defender? There should not be a discrepancy here, as the the KH2 and FM2 keyblades should have different abilities."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Damage Control is what I'm reading there. What are you seeing? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 17:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I had only seen the removal of Damage Control from the box, and missed that it was split off to a separate box. Nevermind."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Design

Considering the in-universe chronology, this page should probably mention the X-blade and Kingdom Key D as well. I'm not sure whether it should mention the Wayward Wind -- considering the strong resemblance to the X-blade, I kind of feel that Ventus's Wayward Wind is supposed to either be a reflection of the link he formed with Sora, or an indication that he is being built into a new X-blade."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:37, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not really seeing the X-blade's strong resemblance to Wayward Wind-- Can you elaborate a bit more? ANX219 02:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not seein' it either, and I have an eye for detail! Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Wayward Wind's resemblance to the Kingdom Key, which is used as half the design of the X-blade. I'm unsure if Ventus's Keyblade being similar to the Kingdom Key is meant to indicate his connection to Sora, or if it's meant to represent that he is half the X-blade."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 04:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

KHD Infobox

Can someone check what's going on for the Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days section of the main infobox? Nothing's happening when I click the + tabs.--Doggieboy9 (talk) 15:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I think its having problems because both + tabs are labeled exactly the same. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 15:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Appears I got it to work. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

KH3 Infobox

Just like with Formchange and Ability, we should have a tab for all KH3 keyblades for Shotlocks as well. Unfortunately, I don't know how to change that myself.  :( --Samoa Joe (talk) 03:26, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

The finalized infobox will need to include all abilities, recipes, and stats at each level, yes."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:36, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Replica Kingdom Key

According to the Ultimania, Xion wields the "Replica Kingdom Key" as a party member. Do we want to give that a separate page, or just put it on here? TheSilentHero 15:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I'd say separate."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Kingdom_Key&curid=6932&diff=770479&oldid=770345

"Let Xion take from Roxas the rest of what he has to give...Or, let him destroy her first and get it all back."

Seems pretty clear that either Xion absorbs Roxas, or Roxas reabsorbs all that she took from him (i.e., her)."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)