Forum:Who's staying, Who's going?: Difference between revisions

*Personally, I don't want to move, but if we are going to put fanon stuff here, I would leave. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:08, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

*{{User:JFHavoc/Sig}} 22:43, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

*They took away Moncao, and I don't want Fanon stuff to be here on this wiki. That's why we have the KHFanon wiki.{{User:Keyblade0/Sig}}

*Comin' with, whether ya like it or not! Nah, but seriously, I would not like fanon stuff on this wiki. iZerox is right, all we'd get is crappy soriku amvs (shudders)Mar 02:33, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

::The Q Continuum weeps. Don't patronize us, we know what we're doing. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 06:05, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:::It's a fair concern because traditionally when you say that something is "moving," that means it's being taken from one place and being put in another. In this case, it's more like something is being copied to somewhere else, at which point it will take on a life of its own, but the original is still there too to take on yet a different life. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 11:15, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm not saying it should be forever fixed in place - of course it should develop and grow.  But at the same time, what I've seen elsewhere is an intention to remove content from the parent wiki (by "changing the wiki's direction")  in order to prevent it competing with the new wiki.  From what I've read, that's not what's going on here :), but I wanted to be blunt about what is and isn't acceptable.  If there's a need for a wiki with fan-based content and not the reference content already here, then you are welcome to make it.  And, of course, you are welcome to build on the content here.  But simply switching the purpose of this wiki in order to prevent competition with your fork is not a viable option.  Even if there is consensus among those who have decided to move, there are the past and future communities of this wiki to consider. -- [[User:Sannse|Sannse]]<staff /> <small>([[wikia:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[wikia:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 20:06, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:"I'm not saying it should be forever fixed in place[...]switching the purpose of this wiki in order to prevent competition with your fork is not a viable option." Make up your mind, willya? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 20:19, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:This is the point where wikia needs to just take its lumps and accept that content-based wikis will no longer be very able to function, instead of demanding that we all not only suffer for wikia's bad decisions, but refrain from using what few methods of alleviation we have left.

:Oasis is designed for the facebook crowd, to attract casual readers with much shallower interest in the material, or to attract those with less rigorous methods. We get that, and ''we are playing along with that''. But it is a huge slap in the face to all of us when we try to oblige wikia's decisions, and they give us stuff like this, patronizing us and painting our compromise as an attack on wikia.

::Maggosh: it shouldn't be fixed in place, but it also shouldn't be diminished in order to prevent competion with a fork.  I don't see a contradiction there.

::KrytenKoro: I don't have any intention to be patronizing or insulting.  And I don't agree that there is anything in the skin change that means this wiki cannot continue to be a comprehensive resource on Kingdom Hearts.  I think that's the fundamental difference of opinion here (you and I seem to have those a lot :-/ I'm sorry) -- [[User:Sannse|Sannse]]<staff /> <small>([[wikia:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[wikia:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 02:17, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

::I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for a second. One of the first things Wikia mentioned about the Oasis transition was that infoboxes would no longer fit. Infoboxes are an integral part of how most wiki's display information, and we, for example, could not do comprehensive coverage of the various items in the series without them.

::You can't tell me that Wikia saw that infoboxes wouldn't fit, and nobody said "Hey, won't this compromise information coverage?" Either wikia knew exactly what would happen, and said "That's fine, it's not our main goal," or they didn't think it through, in which case you should have different people in charge of...well, the entire development of wikia, since I've seen beta testers saying they mentioned this.

::::@ShadowsTwilight: Hyperbole helps no one. Wikia may be ignoring us, but Sannse is at least talking to us, even if she isn't really listening. She's not treating us like dirt. And Sannse is a Wikia staff member, i.e. not Kryten's intellectual inferior. What you said is actually somewhat insulting.

:Bluerfn - the only pages that anyone ever seriously suggested deleting are the ones on items and accessories, such as [[Fire Ring]], which are of no use to a fan-based wiki, and are pretty much just infoboxes as it is, meaning that they look awful in the new skin. If it helps Sannse to understand what we are doing, the new wiki would no longer be comprehensive ''about Kingdom Hearts'', but it would be comprehensive, within the community's allowable limits, about the fan material.

I know i'm late in saying this, but<br>  

Sannse:When you're not accomodating the opinions and desires of one user, that's disagreeing. and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but when you're not accomodating the opinions and desires of the entirity of the whole frikkin community, that's ignoring, and you've been doing a whole lot of that, lately--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 16:02, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

:I wouldn't go as far as ''executing'' her, Kryten, but you have a point.  {{The Inexistentsig}}

I never said it made said wiki crap, it's just not a policy I agree with--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 17:16, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

::I cannot say i disagree--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 02:55, December 2, 2010 (UTC)