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...And you get the point. Are there any stats TNE or myself missed that need to be [[Template:GummiShipKH|added to the coding]]? Also, how do we plan on incorporating such a large table into the current article?--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 13:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ...And you get the point. Are there any stats TNE or myself missed that need to be [[Template:GummiShipKH|added to the coding]]? Also, how do we plan on incorporating such a large table into the current article?--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 13:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
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:::So you want to include every block's image instead of just the description? Some ships contain over twenty different block types, I think the table would get too big in their cases. But maybe I didnt completely understand how you would list them. Could you make a quick example?<br /> | :::So you want to include every block's image instead of just the description? Some ships contain over twenty different block types, I think the table would get too big in their cases. But maybe I didnt completely understand how you would list them. Could you make a quick example?<br /> | ||
:::Also there is no easy way to include the FM versions of the blue prints because the enemy ships have different appearances in KHFM their stats and blocks are also mostly different, but this can wait for now because I have to get the blueprint images first. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:53, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | :::Also there is no easy way to include the FM versions of the blue prints because the enemy ships have different appearances in KHFM their stats and blocks are also mostly different, but this can wait for now because I have to get the blueprint images first. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:53, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
::About the images: Some are already uploaded -> [[:File: | ::About the images: Some are already uploaded -> [[:File:Cindy Model B KHFM.png|Cindy type B KHFM]], [[:File:Cindy Model A KHFM.png|Cindy type A KHFM]], [[:File:Cindy Model A KH.png|Cindy type A KH]], [[:File:Cindy Model B KH.png|Cindy type B KH]] That is all of them from the unused images category.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 18:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::I can't give an example but what I meant is a table similar to those of the Treasure tables, where it says "Command", "Map" etc. would be where the Block image is located, while the actual block name and amount is where the "location" is, and it would repeat with just those two columns. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | :::I can't give an example but what I meant is a table similar to those of the Treasure tables, where it says "Command", "Map" etc. would be where the Block image is located, while the actual block name and amount is where the "location" is, and it would repeat with just those two columns. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::I see and that can defintely be done, but it will get messy if we have a ship with 20+ different blocks because then the template will be blown out of proportion even if we use four columns instead of two, a collapsible table could help here. But would that really be necessary? I mean it looks kinda messy now (the Ultimania uses the same style by the way) but its not really that of an important information that we need sort and present it, or is it? If you're missing one treasure chest that is one thing, but can't image someone searching for a gummi block missing on his ship and not finding it. I don't know, what do you think Xion4ever? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ::::I see and that can defintely be done, but it will get messy if we have a ship with 20+ different blocks because then the template will be blown out of proportion even if we use four columns instead of two, a collapsible table could help here. But would that really be necessary? I mean it looks kinda messy now (the Ultimania uses the same style by the way) but its not really that of an important information that we need sort and present it, or is it? If you're missing one treasure chest that is one thing, but can't image someone searching for a gummi block missing on his ship and not finding it. I don't know, what do you think Xion4ever? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
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Should we have a gallery or what? I get rather lost on what I need to find and looking to probably set things right here in this imageless page. [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 07:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC) | Should we have a gallery or what? I get rather lost on what I need to find and looking to probably set things right here in this imageless page. [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 07:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
:here's my take on it: | :here's my take on it: | ||
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Slightly expanded to have a Japanese/Katakana and romanji box. Still working on how put the name in a better place. I feel it's a bit weird :x [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 19:22, 3 October 2013 (UTC) | Slightly expanded to have a Japanese/Katakana and romanji box. Still working on how put the name in a better place. I feel it's a bit weird :x [[User:LexisMikaya|LexisMikaya]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 19:22, 3 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Good work, this looks promising. I think the name box is big enough to hold both the katakana and the romanjii, what do you think? Also some of the models change their apperance along the corresponding enemies in the Final Mix version, so an image tab would be needed. --[[Special:Contributions/77.184.71.226|77.184.71.226]] 19:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC) | :Good work, this looks promising. I think the name box is big enough to hold both the katakana and the romanjii, what do you think? Also some of the models change their apperance along the corresponding enemies in the Final Mix version, so an image tab would be needed. --[[Special:Contributions/77.184.71.226|77.184.71.226]] 19:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
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:::::I'll probably start doing renders from the scans provided. Of course, I'm not going to do them all at once @~@. Maybe a few a day and I will eventually do enemies as well. Still sorting them out so I don't accidentally mix them up. What about the ones that are different from from KH to KHFM? Will that be a separate template or just simply tabbed (probably more than likely tabbed)? [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 09:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | :::::I'll probably start doing renders from the scans provided. Of course, I'm not going to do them all at once @~@. Maybe a few a day and I will eventually do enemies as well. Still sorting them out so I don't accidentally mix them up. What about the ones that are different from from KH to KHFM? Will that be a separate template or just simply tabbed (probably more than likely tabbed)? [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 09:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
Okay, I updated the template and after several tries it's now able to show a FM image: | Okay, I updated the template and after several tries it's now able to show a FM image: | ||
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I also just noticed that we need a different block list for the FM variant, so maybe we should tab the whole template instead. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | I also just noticed that we need a different block list for the FM variant, so maybe we should tab the whole template instead. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Looks like the best thing to do is to get the whole template tabbed out. Should probably figure out how to put a notes section too, but that's just me being super specific about having ''everything'' on one template for a large page of templates. While it's no necessary, I, personally, feel that it might be a bit useful to note a few things such as how Alexander FM is 199 block and is much more sturdy than most ships. On the other hand, Omega lacks a cockpit, engine, and weapons. Just a small place for minimal notes or something. So far it looks great, except for the whole tab image since it uses different blocks and such. [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 11:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | :Looks like the best thing to do is to get the whole template tabbed out. Should probably figure out how to put a notes section too, but that's just me being super specific about having ''everything'' on one template for a large page of templates. While it's no necessary, I, personally, feel that it might be a bit useful to note a few things such as how Alexander FM is 199 block and is much more sturdy than most ships. On the other hand, Omega lacks a cockpit, engine, and weapons. Just a small place for minimal notes or something. So far it looks great, except for the whole tab image since it uses different blocks and such. [[User:LexisMikaya|まそっぷ ！]] ([[User talk:LexisMikaya|talk]]) 11:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Looking through this I can see that a lot of changes were made to some of the blueprints to make them look like they came straight out of the last Final Fantasy game in which they appeared. The ones based on the aeons -- Cindy, Sandy, Mindy and Ifrit -- as well as Golem and Leviathan, all have the same thing done to them. It'd be worth mentioning where their respective appearances come from, as in which games. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 16:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC) | Looking through this I can see that a lot of changes were made to some of the blueprints to make them look like they came straight out of the last Final Fantasy game in which they appeared. The ones based on the aeons -- Cindy, Sandy, Mindy and Ifrit -- as well as Golem and Leviathan, all have the same thing done to them. It'd be worth mentioning where their respective appearances come from, as in which games. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 16:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC) | ||
:For those, we could probably just do with the official FF art or sprites that best matches the design. For the original KH models, we'd have to get more prosaic, describing stuff like how the Siren appears to have megaphones.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC) | :For those, we could probably just do with the official FF art or sprites that best matches the design. For the original KH models, we'd have to get more prosaic, describing stuff like how the Siren appears to have megaphones.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
Also, [[User:LexisMikaya/Sandbox|this]] is a really good place to start for each article's content. I think the gummi block bill of material is going to have to be a separate table on the page, similar to how we do the Spirit Boards, but I'll have a mockup of the article infobox up in a jiff.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 09:37, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | Also, [[User:LexisMikaya/Sandbox|this]] is a really good place to start for each article's content. I think the gummi block bill of material is going to have to be a separate table on the page, similar to how we do the Spirit Boards, but I'll have a mockup of the article infobox up in a jiff.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 09:37, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
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Okay, done. It will eventually need code to allow for the NA/JP different blueprints, as well as stuff like Cindy A and Cindy B, but this should be enough to get article started.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 11:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | Okay, done. It will eventually need code to allow for the NA/JP different blueprints, as well as stuff like Cindy A and Cindy B, but this should be enough to get article started.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 11:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
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:3. Every enemy variant may or may not have a ''Normal'' and ''Fast'' type. These types don't look different but (like every variant) may drop different stuff and can appear on different [[Forum:Notes 37, (KH, Gummi_Routes)|routes]]. | :3. Every enemy variant may or may not have a ''Normal'' and ''Fast'' type. These types don't look different but (like every variant) may drop different stuff and can appear on different [[Forum:Notes 37, (KH, Gummi_Routes)|routes]]. | ||
:Here is a complete enemy list: | :Here is a complete enemy list: | ||
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:Starting with the Final Mix I will crop the enemy renders from the Ultimania now. The Japanese version of KH is underway, I'm not sure what can be done about the International enemy models of Shiva and Ahriman at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | :Starting with the Final Mix I will crop the enemy renders from the Ultimania now. The Japanese version of KH is underway, I'm not sure what can be done about the International enemy models of Shiva and Ahriman at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
::So, basically we need tabs for all variations, split into three levels (1: KH/FM, 2:A/B/C, 3:Normal/Fast), right? Do we want them all in one template or should it be made so you have to use the template twice, once for KH and once for FM? As for the gummi blocks used, I think we should use a separate table like the KHx Keyblade recipes. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:58, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | ::So, basically we need tabs for all variations, split into three levels (1: KH/FM, 2:A/B/C, 3:Normal/Fast), right? Do we want them all in one template or should it be made so you have to use the template twice, once for KH and once for FM? As for the gummi blocks used, I think we should use a separate table like the KHx Keyblade recipes. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:58, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
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::::I started a [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XQ3LrwfqVR9PINQjUUm-hK0FDkgtyPuFrhrJuoIhnj0/edit?usp=sharing google spreadsheet] for the stats since it's easier to handle than the wiki tables. The blueprints and gummi drops are not filled in yet, but they can be found in the Ultimania scans I uploaded further up on this page. All Cindy images are on the wiki now, so you could test it with them (links are also up there). --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 11:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | ::::I started a [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XQ3LrwfqVR9PINQjUUm-hK0FDkgtyPuFrhrJuoIhnj0/edit?usp=sharing google spreadsheet] for the stats since it's easier to handle than the wiki tables. The blueprints and gummi drops are not filled in yet, but they can be found in the Ultimania scans I uploaded further up on this page. All Cindy images are on the wiki now, so you could test it with them (links are also up there). --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 11:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::If the Normal and Fast versions only differ in rewards and location, I think it would be better to put those tabs in the template, so we don't have to duplicate a lot of code on the individual pages. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | :::::If the Normal and Fast versions only differ in rewards and location, I think it would be better to put those tabs in the template, so we don't have to duplicate a lot of code on the individual pages. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::::Okay, assuming that the enemy versions only differ in design between KH/FM, not stats, we would need eight tabs.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20: | ::::::Okay, assuming that the enemy versions only differ in design between KH/FM, not stats, we would need eight tabs. I'll work on it tonight.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
I really like the new template, great work. The routes should probably be linked somehow (when the page is ready) and sometimes in the future we will need to remake the KHII template so that the special models (like the Kingdom Model or the Moogle) can appear on one page. By the way, it's still not too late to change the naming scheme for the models. If anybody has a good idea, let's hear it. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:04, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
name | :I guess if you wanted to rename the player models to "File:X Model A KH.png", that would work, but only if we're gonna be reconstructing the B and C models, which...I mean, they look fine to me now, since we have nice shiny images as the lead for the player blueprint.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
::I think we should replace the route numbers with the name of the worlds, like Traverse Town-Wonderland, so people actually know which route it is. Also, shouldn't the blueprint be listed as a reward, as well? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 11:34, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Thanks for fixing the template. Anyway, the blueprints are a one time only reward,so maybe we should just leave a note on the list page saying every enemy model will drop it with a x% chance. Since the routes are not numbered in the game, I think listening them by name (or wormhole) is a good idea, it would take quite some space though since the world names are not really short, e.g. Deathguise A shows up on six routes. | |||
:::I re-built the Cindy models in the Gummi editor to test how long it would take and it's not that bad. The most difficult part is getting the colors right since the Ultimania scans (or more precisely the printing) are low-quality and the color palette of the Gummi editor doesn't really make sense sometimes. To get the colors right I have to hunt down the variant ship in the game and make a screenshot. Any help with task would be greatly appreciated. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 15:00, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::I could see if I can get some screenshots. Is it a problem if they are from the non-HD version of KHFM? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:18, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::No, that's perfectly fine, I'm using that one too. :D --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 15:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
com | ::::::Here's [http://i.imgur.com/A0eZqsf.png Ramuh] (I think) and [http://i.imgur.com/vdBA4Yz.png Odin]. Are these screenshots good enough? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:42, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::::I made [http://i.imgur.com/Uh9i0I5.png Odin], [http://i.imgur.com/a2Y6dNJ.png Ramuh], and [http://i.imgur.com/19pybMa.png Golem], but I don't know how to remove the background. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::These looks great, you aren't able to send me your savegames by any chance? How do you make these screenshots? Your first images are a bit too small to work with. I was looking for a way to insert specific gummi models through a (cheat) code, but that's too complicated.--{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I'm not sure how I can send save games... I just take a print screen while in the Gummi Builder. The first images are made during the gummi missions, but they are mostly just for the color. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 11:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
EDIT: <s>Could you give me a list of where the B and C models appear? I'm trying to download the scans you posted, but my download speed is terrible, for some reason.</s>{{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 11:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:EDIT2: I forgot you made a spreadsheet. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:00, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::You can also use this [[Forum:Notes 37, (KH, Gummi Routes)|page]], it's probably easier. Currently I have references for all models that only appear in the original Kingdom Hearts, so at least I'm good here. If you're using the PCSX2 emulator you can extract all your savegames from the virtual memory cards using [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca:11068/mymc/ this program]. For example [http://www.mediafire.com/download/b642goiw2eef6zc/SLUS-20370_KINGDOMHEARTS-01_Clock_Tower_%2812B13BCA%29.psu this] is the savegame with the gummi ships I just uploaded (can only be used with the NA version though). {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 17:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::I'll see if I can get more gummi ships done before I send the save. How do you get the images from the game? I'd like to try it myself. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:52, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm taking (many) screenshots too, albeit in a [http://imgur.com/a/ofBAP higher resolution] so I can see more details. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::As long as you guys are doing that, could you keep notes on what the differences between A and B are, structurally? I don't think we need to do full BoM, just something like "uses tougher Dispel-G" blocks, or something.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::Here's [http://imgur.com/a/bbXvJ my progress] so far. Some of the colors may be off and I'm not 100% sure about Alexander, because I couldn't get a front screenshot of it. The backs of the models may be the wrong color/block, but I don't think that matters, because you won't be able to see it in the image. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 13:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Looking good. Still, could you check if the Golem B Model (which strangly seems to be the same for KH and KHFM despite the standard models being different) has more Dispel blocks, like you can see [http://i.imgur.com/3HFMYu3.png here]. Other than that I just found some minor coloring errors: The cannons of Ramuh B are of [http://i.imgur.com/deabu4Z.png lighter blue] and all three Fira-G of Lamia B are [http://i.imgur.com/F6cpt28.png yellow]. | |||
:::::::@Kryten: All full BoM wouldn't even be possible, some blocks just can't be seen. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 12:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Thanks, Shard! I updated the images. Hopefully, they are more accurate now. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Right, I get that it would be beyond the pale to do a full BoM for enemy variants, I'm just hoping for something like "uses stronger X instead of Y".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:56, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
get | ::::::::::Shard, quick question: I noticed that some of your screenshots contain the KH version of the Bomb model, like [http://i.imgur.com/jyfnaZB.png this one]. Are these taken in KHFM as well? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::No, these images were all taken in the normal NA version. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 20:34, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
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I' | Update: I am almost done with the KHFM Gummi enemies. I only need to do Ifrit B, but I can't get a good screenshot of all the blocks. Also, fun fact: You can't actually fly any of the Omega models, due to them lacking engine gummi's and, for Omega A only, a cockpit gummi. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | ||