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 ::No dice.  :<  It's just not cooperating worth a fuck.  Like, '''WHY''' is this being so difficult...  I've ''never'' had problems with tabbers on here before.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 :::Link?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
+::::Sandbox.  Though, honestly I didn't bother to save it lol, since it never worked in the preview.  Though there should be a cobbled up experiment from yesterday in there though.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 22:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
+It's still more complicated than that because the Japanese and International version get Union Cross at a different point of content. For example in JP Dark Biter was introduced as part of Unchained while it will be part of Union in NA. This whole thing is a mess, that's why I think it's not really an expansion but a major update with a new name. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] ([[User talk:ShardofTruth|talk]]) 05:35, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
+:I know, that's why I thought this was an elegant little solution.  Keep 'em separate and combined at the same time.  It'll be especially necessary if one year from now, they do it again.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 07:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
+:Okay, I have to go to bed now lol.  But tomorrow, I'll fix something up in the sandbox.  After that, I'll just need help with the tabber.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 07:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
+::Okay lol, nevermind.  It was faster than I thought.  My proposal for the final page is in the sandbox - all I need help with is making the infoboxes into tabbers.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 07:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
+:::There was a problem in the game infobox causing the div tags to stop working, but I fixed it and the tabbers are working now. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:40, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
+::::Thank you!  So, how about it then?  You guys want to do it like that?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 22:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
+:::::I really like it. Now we need to solve the icon, template and category situation. I'm okay with two separate icons for the main page but I think they really should be merged for other pages, same for the categories and the navigation template. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:09, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
+::::::I was thinking of simple re-directs.  Whether you click on the icon, or a link in any of the template pages it'll take you to the merged one.  I'll keep it as "Unchained X" for now, for sake of simplicity.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 18:49, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
+:::::Hey, I just noticed something just slightly weird.  It's not a big issue per se, but I did notice that the infoboxes are smaller than compared to the other games - it's the tabber that's shrinking them for some reason.  Applying that tabber to any of the other games results in the same shrinkage.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 19:02, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
+== To Merge or not to Merge ==
+{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=07:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)|TRON=That is the question. I've read through the previous discussion. And yet, here we are, with the wiki split with whether or not this game is separate or not. I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time figuring this out because I wasn't here in 2016 when the game first came out or last April when this update came out. And I've not caught up to the quest when this update actually began (which I believe is Quest 666?). However, here's how I see it: This game seems very different story-wise from ''Unchained χ''. Though the set up and gameplay is largely the same, I believe that the game's story was presented as a re-release of ''Kingdom Hearts χ'' under ''Unchained χ''. With the ''Union χ'' update and brand, the story is now more of a sequel to the original ''χ''.
+I personally think we should split them. They're pretty different story-wise, which is probably the most important aspect of the game, is its story and how it ties to the rest of the series, specifically ''Kingdom Hearts III''. I think at this point, enough has changed between the two games to brand them differently. As far as how it affects other articles: story information that didn't take place under ''Unchained χ'' should be labeled under the header ''Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]''. This should go for any game elements introduced in the update as well. This includes Enchanted Dominion's story. For some of the areas where they overlap, they should both be listed (''Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ/Union χ[cross]''). What do you guys think?}}
+{{ShardofTruth|time=09:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)|talk=I don't think it's that easy, so let's break it down to some points:
+:Union Cross contains everything Unchained had, so there's no content or story split here. Gameplay content-wise the only additions (yet) were Cross quests and the Pet System.
+:Unchained is not a re-release of the original Kingdom Hearts χ, it's in fact a continuation, something that Union Cross makes very clear.
+::So it's actually ''Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]'' + ''Kingdom Hearts χ Back Cover'' --> ''Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ'' --> ''Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]''
+::This revelation is the transition from Unchained to Union Cross so to speak. Still, you can argue that these two sections are different since there are title card drops in the "Dandelion" cutscene and the "The Boy Who Appeared Last" cutscene, so "Unchained" as a title still exists in Union Cross.
+:What makes this even more confusing is that the global version of KHUX was rebranded as Union Cross sooner than the JP version from a content perspective (story, medals, Keyblades etc.), since the JP version is like five months ahead but the update hit both versions like 10 days apart and the new Taiwanese version will be introduced as Union Cross from the get go. For example this means that the whole Castle of Dreams storyline was introduced in Unchained for the JP version but as part of Union Cross in the global version.
+::What this means is that there is no general clear-cut when content got introduced in Unchained or Union Cross, we generally use the Japanese introduction here though.
+All in all I think actively splitting pages for Unchained and Union Cross in regard of game content is not helping and will generate more issues. Splitting story sections will only make sense (and in my opinion is only needed for) the main story. I think we should use just ''Kingdom Hearts χ'' for the Disney worlds.}}
+==χ series==
+Nomura recently used the term χ series [χシリーズ] when referring to χ (chi), Union χ (Cross), χ Back Cover and Dark Road. Is this a term that warrants it's own page on the wiki, akin to Dark Seeker Saga? - [[Special:Contributions/90.249.58.38|90.249.58.38]] 09:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
+:I think that's a good idea, Nomura's reasoning makes sense too. [https://twitter.com/KHDR_PR/status/1274946231676989440 Original] and [https://www.khinsider.com/news/Nomura-Shares-a-Message-to-Commemorate-Kingdom-Hearts-Dark-Road-s-Launch-17056 translation by Goldpanner] for everyone interested. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} [[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] ([[User talk:ShardofTruth|talk]]) 09:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
+::Sounds like that page would be very helpful. --{{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:55, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
+:::Agreed. It's own saga within the franchise, so we should make one.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:56, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
+==why all union x pages==
+i have been looking at the pages for kingdom hearts union x games and they are all incomplete. can someone fix them up? {{unsigned|Thephantomseekerx}}
+== Recategorizing under "Updates and Remakes" ==
+I think that ''Union χ'' should be moved to the "Updates and Remakes" category instead of counting as its own installment. This change would pretty much only affect minor presentation and formatting,  but would bring the wiki in line with official sources:
+*At the 20th anniversary event, KH series producer Hazama [https://youtu.be/5isiZBQdufw?t=102 stated] that there are 13 games in the series (counting ''Dark Road'', not counting the then-unrevealed ''Missing-Link'' and ''KHIV''). However, our current total is 14, since we count ''KHχ'' and ''Union χ'' separately.
+*The [https://www.jp.square-enix.com/kingdom/timeline/index.html official Japanese KH website] has a timeline which includes every game released up to ''KHIII''; here, ''Union χ'' is not shown as a distinct entry from ''KHχ''. Their list only uses ''Union χ'' (just like we only use ''Re:coded'' for most contexts), showing the official position is that ''Union χ'' counts as a remake rather than a sequel.
+Again, this would be a relatively inconsequential change, but given that it would affect the main page, I figured I'd see if anyone has anything to add or differing opinions on the matter.
+[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 04:34, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
+:KHUX has always been a special case in that matter. We already sort of consider it a remake if you look at the navbox (it only lists additional stuff). The Memorial Ultimania lists it as a "related entry" to KHχ (which is used for Final Mixes and Remakes), the Character Files covers KHχ, Unchained and Union all under Union χ.
+:So, if you look at all the evidence, I think we should consider it a remake/Final Mix like entry. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 09:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)