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{{Firaga44|text=i have a question has the evil queen even been confirmed to make a appearance}} | {{Firaga44|text=i have a question has the evil queen even been confirmed to make a appearance}} | ||
{{Rikloud|text=not yet it even says so in the article}} | |||
== Image == | |||
I have a question. Once (or if) we we get a render of the Queen's true form, which image should we use for the infobox? the normal form of the Old hag form? - '''[[User:Xiggie|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=blue>Ice</font>]][[User talk:Xiggie|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=dodgerblue>boy</font>]]''<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Xiggie|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=paleturquoise>Svalur!</font>]]</sup>''''' 17:27, September 21, 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Her normal form. [[User:Guardian Soul|Guardian Soul]] 17:34, September 21, 2009 (UTC) | |||
{{NinjaSheik|text=Agreed. That's what she looks like, after all.}} | |||
{{NitrousX|xmastext=What happened to the picture with her queen form '''and''' her hag form? I thought that one showed the queen's appearances quite well.}} | |||
== Queen Grimhilde (Misspell) == | |||
{{EO|time=20:39, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|shocked=When did that name ever appear?}} | |||
{{Ghostboy3000|time=20:41, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text= I think that must have been in the fairy tale, Or it could be a nickname!}} | |||
{{EO|time=20:43, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|shocked=That name is never in the Disney film. And we don't cover the fairy tale, to my knowledge. I think we should erase the name from the page. I'd wait until we get another opinion, however.}} | |||
{{Ghostboy3000|time=20:44, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text= Actually I think The Magic mirror called her that...}} | |||
{{EO|time=20:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|shocked=Perhaps. Can I see proof? The only things I recall him ever calling her are : | |||
*Beauty Majesty | |||
*My Queen}} | |||
{{Ghostboy3000|time=20:48, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text= I would film it If I had a video camera...}} | |||
{{EO|time=20:49, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Look it up online. Try YouTube. See if you can find it. Then come back here if successful.}} | |||
{{Ghostboy3000|time=20:56, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text= No luck, I'll try Wikipedia... But I know Don't always trust them...}} | |||
{{Ghostboy3000|time=[[User:Ghostboy3000|GB3000]] 20:58, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text= Take a look at the disney section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_%28Snow_White%29#Disney_version}} | |||
{{EO|time=21:13, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=I suppose that's fine. Thank you.}} | |||
*New Modle | |||
the offical website for KH BBs has updated with high res modles for the evil queen, as well as the other worlds. | |||
Deep space, wonderland, dwarvland woods, andthe cinderella world | |||
so if anyone here can rip the high res modles from the flash websites, it would be much apresheated | |||
~User Ixbran | |||
When was wonderland confirrmed? '''<font face=Trebuchet MS color=firebrick>—</font>[[User:Demonic Kunai|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=Darkred>Demonic</font>]][[User talk:Demonic Kunai|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=midnightblue>Kunai</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Demonic Kunai|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=black>Is xion's #1fan</font>]]</sup>''' 15:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
As far as I know, Wonderland has never been confirmed to appear in BBS. - '''[[User:LevL|<font face=Century color=maroon>Lev</font>]][[User talk:LevL|<font face=Century color=black>L</font>]]''' 16:00, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Renders == | |||
{{KingdomHeartsFan|text=Speaking of renders when do you think square enix will publish the larger imaged pictures of the bbs characters???}} | |||
== ''The'' Queen == | |||
{{LevL|time=15:25, March 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Shouldn't we change the name of this page to '''The''' Queen, since the ending credits of BBS call her by that name?}} | |||
{{TNE|time=15:29, March 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=I was pretty sure that it should be The Queen... Thoughts ?}} | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=18:48, March 17, 2010 (UTC)|inverse=This and several other articles starting with "The" were renamed. Some users don't think "The" should start an article name, which makes sense, but in the case of, for example, the Peddler, who is referred to as '''The''' Peddler in the journal, I think the article should retain the "The". Same for the Queen, if the character is listed as "The..." that's what the article should be named. At least that's my opinion.}} | |||
{{TNE|time=01:01, March 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=Welp, I guess it's best to look into the journal for naming issues.}} | |||
== An interesting fact... == | |||
If memory serves, When the Queen asks Terra to bring her Snow White's heart, the Queen clearly means the physical organ, not the metaphysical heart that we're used to, thus confusing Terra. She clearly knows the difference, however. Anyway, this means that the Queen is one of the few characters who actually tries to have someone killed, rather than lose their hearts. After all, people who lose their hearts don't die. maybe the Queen was hoping for something a little more permanent. | |||
An interesting coincidence- The Queen is one of the two individuals who lead the villains to ruin Mickey's dream in Fantasmic, which inspired Kingdom hearts. But in kingdom hearts, she couldn't care less. As a point, the other person who takes charge is Maleficent. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 22:43, April 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Merging == | |||
{{SilverCrono|time=08:05, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=I say we move this page to another one and make a disambig for this and [[Minnie]]. I put this message here to ask if anybody knew another name we could move this to...? Any ideas?}} | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=08:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=I vote yay for the disambig, but she doesn't have an actual name. The only other thing I've heard her referred to as is the "Evil Queen". What do the BBS credits list her as?}} | |||
{{SilverCrono|time=08:17, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=Don't know, I'm trying to steer clear from BBS spoilers. That's why I posted on here, looking for anybody who could just give us a straight answer.}} | |||
:I looked into it and the BBS credits list her as: | |||
{{spoiler}} | |||
The Witch. | |||
{{spoilerend}} --[[User:Gr8champ|<font color="green">''If I had a hairbrush,''</font>]] [[User talk:Gr8champ|<font color="purple">'''that would be amazing!'''</font>]] [[User:Gr8champ/Dissidia:Kingdom's_Fantasy|<font color="blue"><small>'''Pregnancy?'''</small></font>]] 08:56, July 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I created the disambig page: [[Queen (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:Gr8champ|<font color="green">''If I had a hairbrush,''</font>]] [[User talk:Gr8champ|<font color="purple">'''that would be amazing!'''</font>]] [[User:Gr8champ/Dissidia:Kingdom's_Fantasy|<font color="blue"><small>'''Pregnancy?'''</small></font>]] 09:13, July 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{SilverCrono|time=09:15, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|mad=An admin needs to delete [[The Witch]] to make way for the move.}} | |||
{{LevL|time=10:16, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=Are you sure we should call this page ''The Witch''? The BBS credits list her as ''The Witch'', but I think that's only in Ven's story. I'm sure the queen is listed as The Queen in the credits of Terra's story, not as The Witch. The queen's witch form is a form of the queen, the queen is not a form of the witch. Our article about Pete is not called Captain Justice, a form of Pete, so why would this page be named The Witch?}} | |||
{{SC|time=10:18, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=That's the only source I've got. you wanna change it, be my guest.}} | |||
{{EO|time=04:15, July 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Terra's credits call her "The Queen". And as LevL said, the Witch is a form of the Queen. She is only known as the Witch in Ventus's credits. Considering this and the fact that the infobox still contains the information for the "The Queen" page, we should move the page back. Would an admin be willing to help? I cannot myself. No normal user can. | |||
*EDIT 04:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC) : Proof is seen here at 2:58 - [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_YfFqp_7Q4 Click me!]}} | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=16:48, August 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Ah, then the page should go back to "The Queen". That's the only name I've ever really heard her called by anyway.}} | |||
::Her true form is "The Queen". She is called this in the movie and it seems that she's only credited as The Witch in Ven's scenario, because that's the only form she appears in. Someone needs to change it back. --[[User:Breaktheice16|BreaktheIce16]] <small>([[User talk:Breaktheice16|talk]])</small> 8:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Move Requested == | |||
{{EO|time=20:33, August 12, 2010 (UTC)|text=This article was incorrectly moved to "The Witch", but several felt it should remain as "The Queen", for logic explained in my message above, mostly. KrytenKoro added the Move template almost two weeks ago, saying "If a verdict is not reached by tomorrow, it will be moved." As tomorrow was two weeks ago, it needs to be moved by an admin. I'd have done it myself, but the redirect from the initial "The Queen" page complicates things and prevents the move. I have requested before admins that this needed to be moved twice, and both have been unable to do it merely because they forgot or agreed the Move template needed to remain. If an admin, by chance, should read this, the article needs to be moved back from "The Witch" to "The Queen".}} | |||
{{Bluer|22:14, August 12, 2010 (UTC)|Page is moved. Links remain to be fixed, if you have the time, please assist.}} | |||
==Death?== | |||
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Under the trivia section, it states that the Queen was eliminated between Aqua and Ventus's stories but is it ever made clear whether or not the Queen really died? And if she did die, then why did the Queen's witch form appear on the Snow White podium in the Awakening with her eyes open? Reardless, that piece of trivia needs to be removed as it belongs in the main paragraph if it is true. | |||
EDIT: Nevermind, just found two quotes that confirm her death. I will proceed to make the change I proposed earlier concerning the plot hole.}} | |||
{{Xabryn|text=Which quotes are you talking about?}} | |||
{{Disneyvillainman|text= | |||
Doc: "The Queen met her end while trying to escape" | |||
Mirror: "The Queen is no more, my job is complete" | |||
Both are rough translations of Japenese so these aren't word for word but they're close.}} | |||
==Revision== | |||
{{Disneyvillainman|text=My edit was revised earlier today and I don't understand why. I'm not going to put it back since I don't know the reason why it was removed but it said word for word (in the context of the Snow white podium): "Despite the fact that she died during Birth by Sleep, her eyes appear wide open." | |||
Could someone please explain to me why this was taken off and maybe talk about putting it back?}} | |||
{{Xabryn|text=The game didn't came out in english yet and it is still speculation to say that she died, it is better for us to wait the english released and see if she is really dead the same happen to Lady tremaine and her daughters}} | |||
{{Disneyvillainman|text=Oh, I see. Alright then, we'll wait for BBS to be released. But Lady Tremaine, unlike Evil Queen, dies on screen. Yes, it doesn't show them burning but you see the bomb land in front of them, hear their screams and Aqua comments on how their darkness destroyed them. Pointless rant over.}} | |||
{{Xabryn|text=I know but dead don't exist in KH world I mean nobody died yet, Lady Tremaine and her daughters would be the first ones to die, so it is better to wait the english version too}} | |||
== Voice actor == | |||
Susanne Blakeslee has no prior history of portraying the Queen in any material, Disney or otherwise. On the other hand, another actress who appears in the game's credits, Barbara Dirickson, had voiced the character in the film "Disney Princess Enchanted Tales". If that does not apply here, then is there need for her to have been credited in the game at all? [[User:Immblueversion|Immblueversion]] 20:00, September 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Fine, remove them both. We're not doing speculation at this point.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:04, September 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::It has come to my attention that the "Queen" in the film is a different queen altogether. Also, since Dirickson was not credited in Terra's story, I have come to conclude that Blakeslee is likely the proper voice actress. [[User:Immblueversion|Immblueversion]] 21:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Actually, Susanne Blakeslee had voiced the queen for a Disneyland parade called Magic in the Streets. Funny that she also voiced the queen in Shrek the third and its game!:) | |||
== Names == | |||
We need to verify which names are used where, and what their nihongo versions are. Titles in Unchained ''seem'' to include both 老婆 (Hag) and 魔女 (Witch), but we need to verify that -- "Witch" could be referring to the Heartless.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC) | |||