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{{LA|Vtext=I agree with pretty much everything, except for the whole disowning the channel bit. Getting rid of the IRC would be a very hypocritical move, as we pretty much cheer on the use of it and not User Space for conversations. It isn't the channel's fault, it's the channeleers. Ninja, sensitivity may be hard to retain, but letting it out through anger is pretty much smashing everything '''assuming good faith''' stands for. Like everything that has rules, as soon as any user enters the IRC, they are agreeing to follow them. That is always how it is universally. If users have dropped to a going so low as to just breaking them, and the users in charge OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER do barely anything to stop it, we have a serious problem on our hands. | {{LA|Vtext=I agree with pretty much everything, except for the whole disowning the channel bit. Getting rid of the IRC would be a very hypocritical move, as we pretty much cheer on the use of it and not User Space for conversations. It isn't the channel's fault, it's the channeleers. Ninja, sensitivity may be hard to retain, but letting it out through anger is pretty much smashing everything '''assuming good faith''' stands for. Like everything that has rules, as soon as any user enters the IRC, they are agreeing to follow them. That is always how it is universally. If users have dropped to a going so low as to just breaking them, and the users in charge OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER do barely anything to stop it, we have a serious problem on our hands. | ||
I talked this over with another op, and apparently I was "punished" because I was "making the whole matter worse". This person also said that I was punished because I ''wasn't an op'', by stating that if an op had tried to improve the situation, it would have been a completely different matter entirely. If you ask me, that's just like smashing [[ | I talked this over with another op, and apparently I was "punished" because I was "making the whole matter worse". This person also said that I was punished because I ''wasn't an op'', by stating that if an op had tried to improve the situation, it would have been a completely different matter entirely. If you ask me, that's just like smashing [[KHWiki talk:Staff#There's a problem with the IRC|DTN's little "everyone is equal on the IRC" speech]] to smithereens. Have we really come so low as to this is how we act? '''Everyone''' should be able to be allowed to deal with matters like these, ''especially'', as TNE puts it, give warnings. I don't want to be a part of the IRC if I can't have the same non-sysop powers as the ops have. By this, I mean everything except the whole kickbanhammer thing. | ||
Everything that we have tried to work for on the IRC has pretty much been destroyed, as well as DTN's aforementioned speech on us not needing ops. Let's face it. It is iminant. | Everything that we have tried to work for on the IRC has pretty much been destroyed, as well as DTN's aforementioned speech on us not needing ops. Let's face it. It is iminant. | ||
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I remember when I first came onto #wikia-kingdomhearts; a much smaller community had settled there, and the chat was light and peaceful. That is nothing like what we have now. In fact, we have the exact opposite of what I stated in that first statement. The community is large at all times, and the chat is very often spam-like, nonsense-filled, and breaks out into arguments. The problem, though, ''is not'' a larger community on the channel. The problem is that, as I have said time and time again in those four other IRC forum threads and beyond, '''''the community has absolutely no universal regard for the rules and regulations they have agreed to follow.''''' We can have the best of both worlds; we can have a large community, and peaceful chat that is still enjoyable for everyone. That doesn't at all require any of the language, arguments, or nonsense that we use on the IRC currently. | I remember when I first came onto #wikia-kingdomhearts; a much smaller community had settled there, and the chat was light and peaceful. That is nothing like what we have now. In fact, we have the exact opposite of what I stated in that first statement. The community is large at all times, and the chat is very often spam-like, nonsense-filled, and breaks out into arguments. The problem, though, ''is not'' a larger community on the channel. The problem is that, as I have said time and time again in those four other IRC forum threads and beyond, '''''the community has absolutely no universal regard for the rules and regulations they have agreed to follow.''''' We can have the best of both worlds; we can have a large community, and peaceful chat that is still enjoyable for everyone. That doesn't at all require any of the language, arguments, or nonsense that we use on the IRC currently. | ||
From being on the channel as often as I can, I can tell you that the reason Hexedmagica has not yet been banned from the channel is that the channel operators have not been keeping a log of distributed warnings as a whole group. Recently in our channel operator meeting, it was decided that we would keep a proper log that would be cleared every two weeks, aside from users' ban records which are permanent. I have yet to set this up, and will haul my browser over to a free text host to begin this log immediately. On the subject of LegoAlchemist having been bashed and yelled at for mediating the channel like a responsible user, my previous speech [[ | From being on the channel as often as I can, I can tell you that the reason Hexedmagica has not yet been banned from the channel is that the channel operators have not been keeping a log of distributed warnings as a whole group. Recently in our channel operator meeting, it was decided that we would keep a proper log that would be cleared every two weeks, aside from users' ban records which are permanent. I have yet to set this up, and will haul my browser over to a free text host to begin this log immediately. On the subject of LegoAlchemist having been bashed and yelled at for mediating the channel like a responsible user, my previous speech [[KHWiki talk:Staff#There's a problem with the IRC|here]] on the equal responsibilities of channel operators and average users on our IRC Channel to maintain an acceptable behavior and nature on the channel should be showed by allowing all users to distribute warnings. If there is a disagreement, it will be discussed, and eventually removed by the distributor or a channel operator. | ||
I completely agree with what has been stated by BebopKate. | I completely agree with what has been stated by BebopKate. | ||