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Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. I remember on some other site that the Twilight Thorn has a name: Flailer. Should we add that in?

Where'd you get the information from, first of all ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. Some other wiki that was deleted. I'm not even sure if it's true, but you've got to admit, it sounds cool. Maybe we should put it in the trivia section.

Not official ? Particularly not released from any source ? Don't put it in. Only put it in when you have a source, or when the information is blatantly obvious (like, Sora having a change of hair colour between the first two games). Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. Like I said, I don't even know if it's real. If I find it anywhere else, I'll let you know.

Sure. It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. I actually found another site. It's a cheat code site called cheat code central .com. Maybe we can say something like; "There is speculation that the Twilight Thorn has a name which is Flailer", or something like that. I'll keep lookingfor it in other sites.

Tell me if you manage to find more. ^_^ Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Twilight Thorn's name IS Twilight Thorn. I don't know where Flailer would come from. Probably just a fan thing that has to do with the way that Twilight Thorn moves.

Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. I found it on cheatzone.com, cheatmasterz.com, and some kingdom hearts info page.

And where did they find it ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Those aren't official sources.

Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. Can't we at least put it in the trivia section saying that it is POSSIBLE that that's it's name?.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} There isn't any reason to, the only sources you have are from non-official places. Trivia is about facts, not speculation.

Let's just put it this way : if we were to allow speculation to flood the pages, it'd be too much for a page to handle. The trivia sections would explode, if not the whole page, and we've already set a limit of seven (which, should be many). There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Actually that name was was once mentioned on the website khinsider, and was used to refer to the nobody dusk, not twilight thorn. I think it was just a fan name made to be able to easily refer to that specific nobody instead of just calling it "that tight suit white skinny thing that moves in the air like a fish".

Mar1 - Turn to Darkness ! TALK - Insolent. Well, people will know anyway, because we put it on this talk page.

And let's just confine it here for now, until something official comes out about it. If ever, lah. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Xaity - You should share your power TALK - Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion! Why does everytime I write a good theory someone comes and deletes it?! What is sobothering you in that I wrote that the Twilight Thorn is MAYBE another form of Xemnas?! Please don't delete my changes!

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Firstly, you did not back up your theory. Secondly it made no sense -20:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Xaity - You should share your power TALK - Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion! What makes no sence? I ment that probably the clocked man you see for a secend before the battle is Xemnas and then he transforms to the Twilight Thorn! By the way what do you mean by "back up my theory"?

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. I mean you back up your theory with evidence when you write it. -15:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - The cloaked man is Roxas as an Organization member, as is painfully obvious. He has the same height, and the scene mirrors Sora's meeting with his shadow and the Darkside in KH1.

LevL Fear my mighty instruments! Is it true that Twilight Thorn is a low-ranking Nobody?

Honestly, we don't have any proof that it even exists. I mean, Darksides have shown up outside of Dive into the Heart, but we can't say the same about the Twilight Thorn.—Urutapu 18:41, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it is a low-ranking Nobody. Obviously not as high as Organization XIII, but not below dusks and samurai. It's probably just in the middle. Of course I don't have proof for that, I'm just assuming.--Xsonicdragon 22:39, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

All of the high-ranking Nobodies say "this is a high-ranking Nobody" in their journal entry, and are associated with an Organization member. That's why they're high-ranking (it's not about power, it's about military hierarchy). Twilight Thorn does not list that it is high-ranking, just like the Creeper and Dusk don't, which doesn't mean it's not powerful - just that it's subservient to all members instead of just one.Glorious CHAOS! 07:07, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

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Guardian

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" Okay, here's a theory.... I think that each Nobody has the dormant ability to summon a "Guardian" of some sort, but they have to be REALLY powerful for it to work. For example Xemnas's Dragoon Ship and Marluxia's Spectre. I also think that the guardians can turn on their masters if they leave the Organization or are ordered to by Xemnas (for example: Roxas's Twilight Thorn). While I'm on the subject of the Twilight Thorn being Roxas' "Guardian", I'm going to add this: Roxas was in the Awakening when he fought the Twilight Thorn, so if the Awakening truly happens in the heart, then that means his dormant "Guardian" attacked him.... I dunno, maybe it's possible.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Your theory of a "Guardian" make sense but if it is really true i don't think that Twilight Torn is Roxas "Guardian" cuz he attacked Roxas and not tryied to rescue him, much like when the Assassins attacked Axel

Lord Captain Cecil Harvey - No one ever plays with me anymore. TALK - 21:19, January 2, 2010 (UTC) Well, isn't it possible the TT was just trying to bring Roxas back?

Xena Organization OC: Well it seems logical that TT wants Roxas back.

That sounds exactly like the story behind the Eidolons in FFXIII, no?Axel's Sentiment 06:03, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

the Eidolons in FF13 serve as protectors of the party members. they are the physical embodiment of their will and emotions. an Eidolon appears before their human when they are in a sad, almost suicidal state of mind, then casts doom on them to get them to fight for their life. after fighting their Eidolon, and beating it in battle, the doom spell is removed as their human has regained their will to fight and live another day. from that point they serv as the players summon, each character only getting one summon.

another interesting thing about Eidolons in 13, each playable character, accept Hope, their Eidolon is the opposite gender than they are. Ixbran 09:00, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hence accentuating the suggestiveness a bit more.

Now, I wouldn't say TT is an Eidolon, but it's more like a lesser Nobody being called upon by OXIII to serve the purpose of bringing Roxas back. And since the Awakening is something which takes place within a heart, we might be able to assume that 1) Roxas has a heart, 2) it's a test of Roxas' willpower. TROISNYX AMDG 11:32, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

i don't think that SE was trying to go for suggestive Themes when giving the summons their genders. i think its supposed to support the fact that a persons Eidolon is meant to be a Life Partner. sort of like a marriage, but only for the sake of combat, and NOT romantic reason. The Eidolon protecting their human.

i think the only reason the character, Hope, is cut form this is because hes only 14, too young to be given a Guardian to represent a Life Partner. so he is given a summon that acts more like a Fatherly Protector, than a Life Partner Protector. but that's just my theory on the whole thing. Ixbran 22:17, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

I was saying suggestiveness after seeing Snow's Eidolon. I seem to be okay with Vanille's and the like, and even Lightning's Eidolon seems reasonable. But Snow Viliers has taken suggestiveness to plain obvious, blatant, profanity splayed out for all the world to see. Well, what would we expect ? TROISNYX AMDG 01:59, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

BigHeadZack - You shouldn't judge anyone by appearance. TALK - If the subject fails to respond, use aggression to liberate his true disposition. Just putting in out there that this theory does make since, as before Roxas fights the TT, he sees a black cloaked man. This could have been his 'guardian' being released and taking on it's true form.

Who WAS this thing???

<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text hereInsert non-formatted text here</nowiki> I've just stumbled upon this pge, and I found mayself thinking "Who turned into this when darkness took their heart?" Any Answers or Therioes??? RickNovile 22:31, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Take this to a forum. The talk pages are supposed to be about improving the article.LapisLazuliScarab22:47, August 29, 2010 (UTC)