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 These passionate arguments about feelings and personal attacks on people are over. Not because we're not the Jerry Springer show, but that they're counterproductive to everyone and a waste of time. In truth, we should copy this discussion onto a forum and continue it there. Not because Xion4ever says so, because she is both literally and figuratively a [[Nobody]], but that this is becoming more wordy and sidetracked than we want on this talk page. If/when that happens, someone needs to post the link to said forum here so future people know where to go/what happened. The part on what warrants the trivia section needs discussed on the MoS talkpage that Kryten opened. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 19:07, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 :Thank you for chastising me, Xion, and I second your suggestion to move the policy discussion to forums for wider community discussion.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:10, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
+Based on the instructions from Xion, a forum has been created [[Forum:Manual on Policies and Procedures (or, The Book)|here]] for dealing with our lack of clear policies and processes on the wiki. There's yet to be any actual argument in favor of removing the Roxas image from the gallery and placing it back in the article where it was previously located, but if anyone's to make such an argument, that discussion can be continued on the Roxas talk page. So, I guess only one topic is left to discuss here that was brought up in this discussion, and it's Kryten's behavior. And to be frank, I agree with NinjaShiek here, it's become very hostile, very toxic, and very inappropriate for an editor with as much experience as he's had here. I mean, sure, we have a lot of policies that are just kinda known in the heads of some, and that's why we're trying to do something about it now, but that doesn't justify someone, anyone, no matter the experience, contributions, or time here, to come over, claim we should have known better, and reprimand us like we're some sort of ignorant children who should know better just because we're staff. And frankly, the belittling behavior has been constant. It's happened [[User_talk:KrytenKoro#Warning_1|time]] and [https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Calhoun&diff=next&oldid=782267 time] and [https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:StrikeWing17971&diff=780150&oldid=780149 time] again, where people make edits that, definitely are wrong, but he handles them as if they've committed a serious sin. And decisively, that last line about how he's stood up for Ninja personally is 100% over the line and inappropriate. It's manipulative, suggesting that somehow, because of whatever he's done for Ninja, he's entitled to the behavior she's described.
+I realize I'm biased in that I'm on the opposite side of Kryten in this argument, but I don't think it's biased to say that the behavior I've highlighted is wrong, and we would not accept it from any other editor on this site. In fact, we've banned users in the past for this kind of hostile, toxic behavior. We can discuss policies, we can discuss how things should be done, heck, we can discuss how the staff can improve. But if that discussion is going to be held on a "You're all doing it wrong and should know better" kind of attitude, then this isn't going to work for anyone long term, and you can bet we will continue to hear people complain about not feeling like they can edit or contribute without fear of having their edits reverted inexplicably or rudely. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 05:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)