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{{ | {{ST|time=02:30, November 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=So who hopes that Ienzo looks different then Zexion like Dilan, or exactly the same like Aeleus and Even}} | ||
{{NitrousX|text=I hope he looks different.}} | {{NitrousX|text=I hope he looks different.}} | ||
{{BfD|time=23:41, November 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=We need a pictuuure of hiiiim. ;_;}} | {{BfD|time=23:41, November 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=We need a pictuuure of hiiiim. ;_;}} | ||
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I agree with you there. It is said that Zexion is the second youngest member in the Organization. Roxas is 15, so I'm sure Ienzo is at least 19 or so. With BBS taking 10 years before the game, I'm looking forward into seeing a child Ienzo! Kyaa~!-- | I agree with you there. It is said that Zexion is the second youngest member in the Organization. Roxas is 15, so I'm sure Ienzo is at least 19 or so. With BBS taking 10 years before the game, I'm looking forward into seeing a child Ienzo! Kyaa~!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:09, November 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Well, the problem with that is that this would be around the time he became a Nobody and STOPPED aging. So he should be around the same age, otherwise we can assume the others (who look to be in their early 20s by Days/CoM) would be teenagers in BbS, which they clearly aren't from the pics we've seen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:18, November 23, 2009 (UTC) | :Well, the problem with that is that this would be around the time he became a Nobody and STOPPED aging. So he should be around the same age, otherwise we can assume the others (who look to be in their early 20s by Days/CoM) would be teenagers in BbS, which they clearly aren't from the pics we've seen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:18, November 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Yeah. I can't wait to see him!-- | Yeah. I can't wait to see him!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:06, November 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Xabryn|time=21:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=but was never confirmed when they become nobodies, right?If they just become nobodies like(for example) 9 years after BbS?After all Braig also seem older as a nobody}} | {{Xabryn|time=21:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=but was never confirmed when they become nobodies, right?If they just become nobodies like(for example) 9 years after BbS?After all Braig also seem older as a nobody}} | ||
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{{ | {{Malevolence Crystalised|time=--[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 08:10, November 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=Im pretty lost here oh and we Made This the #1 User Hot Spot..... for today good going Guys...}} | ||
{{Xiggie|time=12:23, November 30, 2009 (UTC)|talk=hmm... Like Adam pointed out, Ienzo is extremely young and extremely intelligent! so I find that "his nobody's appearance reflecting on his mental age" thing very plausible. But although Nobodies can change appearance (e.g. Sora→Roxas) they still to be around the same age... it just seems so weird to have a Nobody that is some years older than his somebody... | {{Xiggie|time=12:23, November 30, 2009 (UTC)|talk=hmm... Like Adam pointed out, Ienzo is extremely young and extremely intelligent! so I find that "his nobody's appearance reflecting on his mental age" thing very plausible. But although Nobodies can change appearance (e.g. Sora→Roxas) they still to be around the same age... it just seems so weird to have a Nobody that is some years older than his somebody... | ||
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{{Ataradesu|time=00:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Silly, indeed... :P Thanks to Lea and Isa, we do know they age. Actually, Nomura's KH style is very simple, I think it's normal that we can't see some of them "aging", since between 20 and 30, there isn't much to change. If they draw them wrinkles, they'll look 50 ! So the teenagers Isa and Lea, and the child Ienzo, will grow up while being nobodies.}} | {{Ataradesu|time=00:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Silly, indeed... :P Thanks to Lea and Isa, we do know they age. Actually, Nomura's KH style is very simple, I think it's normal that we can't see some of them "aging", since between 20 and 30, there isn't much to change. If they draw them wrinkles, they'll look 50 ! So the teenagers Isa and Lea, and the child Ienzo, will grow up while being nobodies.}} | ||
{{LapisScarab|time=23:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just realized that Ienzo looks a lot like Zexion does in the [[File: | {{LapisScarab|time=23:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just realized that Ienzo looks a lot like Zexion does in the [[File:Daylight (Art).png|Dawn artwork]].}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:50, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe the Organization was founded about 3 years BEFORE ''KH 1'', and thet explains Braig and Xigbar's and Ienzo and Zexion's age differences...}} | ||
==Voice== | ==Voice== | ||
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'''Hey | '''Hey NinjaSheik,''' | ||
Thx for the email. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but I'm hoping I do get to come back. | Thx for the email. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but I'm hoping I do get to come back. | ||
All the best | All the best | ||
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:57 PM, | On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:57 PM, NinjaSheik wrote: | ||
Hello. I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan and I know you voice for the cute and cool Zexion from Kingdom Hearts. Are you going to voice Ienzo, Zexio's Othe half, in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep? | Hello. I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan and I know you voice for the cute and cool Zexion from Kingdom Hearts. Are you going to voice Ienzo, Zexio's Othe half, in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep? | ||
The message goes from the bottom up. Enjoy. He doesn't know about Ienzo, so I got nothing about it. I'm still talking to him. I'm trying to get an interview with him. Any questions you want me to ask him, better start now.-- | The message goes from the bottom up. Enjoy. He doesn't know about Ienzo, so I got nothing about it. I'm still talking to him. I'm trying to get an interview with him. Any questions you want me to ask him, better start now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{maggosh|text=I got a similar message: | {{maggosh|text=I got a similar message: | ||
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{{KKD|time=22:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Well, you never know, unless somebody here can understand Japanese. He could be a foster son, or something like that. Plus, the fact that Ienzo is holding ATW's hand also makes me think that Ienzo is younger than 8. But this may be important. something in KHII said that ATW loved sea-salt ice cream. What could make you love it more than sharing it with your (possibly foster) son? Although I even think this is highly unlikely, it is plausible until proven wrong.}} | {{KKD|time=22:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Well, you never know, unless somebody here can understand Japanese. He could be a foster son, or something like that. Plus, the fact that Ienzo is holding ATW's hand also makes me think that Ienzo is younger than 8. But this may be important. something in KHII said that ATW loved sea-salt ice cream. What could make you love it more than sharing it with your (possibly foster) son? Although I even think this is highly unlikely, it is plausible until proven wrong.}} | ||
[[File: | [[File:Blank Points 05 KHBBS.png|right|100px]] awwwwwww :) -[[User:nhigirl]] 23:05,January 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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== "Ienzo With his Adoptive Father, Ansem the Wise" == | == "Ienzo With his Adoptive Father, Ansem the Wise" == | ||
{{EO|time=19:53, February 18, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Where's the bloody proof? Do we have subtitles, or was this added by someone who can read Japanese, or was this mentioned at all in the Xehanort Reports, or even the Ansem Reports?}} | {{EO|time=19:53, February 18, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Where's the bloody proof? Do we have subtitles, or was this added by someone who can read Japanese, or was this mentioned at all in the Xehanort Reports, or even the Ansem Reports?}}Yes I have proof. I translated the conversation myself. He is in fact Ansem's adopted son and NOT Even's. I don't know why people keep changing his page to say that. | ||
== Even == | == Even == | ||
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I told this people about 2 weeks ago and no one believed me!Eveb cleary states that he is in charge of raising Ienzo.But no one listened to me D:[[User:Kaialone|Kaialone]] 13:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC) | I told this people about 2 weeks ago and no one believed me!Eveb cleary states that he is in charge of raising Ienzo.But no one listened to me D:[[User:Kaialone|Kaialone]] 13:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Just hold on a moment. Maybe he is ATW's adoptive son, but maybe Even was in charge of looking after him. You know "babysitting".--'''[[User: | Just hold on a moment. Maybe he is ATW's adoptive son, but maybe Even was in charge of looking after him. You know "babysitting".--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:34, March 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::We have more proof of him being Even's, and it should remain as such until we get an official English source, rather than make loose, inferred and unsourced claims. - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 22:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
All right.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:46, March 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
!!!! He is Ansem the Wise's adopted son. I translated the conversation myself. Even has nothing to do with it. - GaaraxShukakuIScute !!!!!! | |||
==Full Render== | |||
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Hey, guys! [http://heartstation.org/gallery/birth-by-sleep/ultimania/bbsu%20042.png.php Look]! This sure made my happy on my birthday!}} | |||
== Voice Actor == | |||
Do we really need the voice acting section? I mean he doesen't have one, so why we have it? | |||
It's probably part of the template, which is why we put N/A there instead. Also, sign you comments with four tildes, like this: <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> --'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 21:24, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Can I add the Christmas mobile Ienzo onto the gallery??? {{User:ANX219/Sig}} | |||
23:53, December 5, 2010 (UTC) | |||
It's not an official avatar, it's a fan made thing. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 00:07, December 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Ultimania Picture == | |||
I vaguely recall there being another picture here, in the gallery section, of Ienzo from the Ultimania. Why was it removed? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 20:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
:It was redundant to the main image, so it was moved to a gallery.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Ohhhh. But, uh, where's the gallery? It isn't showing up here. --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 13:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
If the image is "redundant" to the page it should be moved to a [[Gallery:Ienzo|gallery page]]. BTW creating a gallery page to only one image is also redundant--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 13:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:No, it's not. The main article should only contain images that are unique, and illustrate the character and its various forms. The Gallery page should include all distinct, official images of the character. So, if you have an image that can only be put on the Gallery page, you've already got two images you can put there.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:So, should I put it back up? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 18:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::The Ultimania artwork and the render should be in the gallery, along with any other relevant images we have. The render should be the only image on this page, unless we have other images that can be shown to be necessary yet unique.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Oh, ok. Should I put Terra's Ultimania artwork on his gallery? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 19:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Sure, any valid images can go in galleries. Basically, as long as it's not a direct duplicate of another image, it's fine.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Oh, ok. It won't count as plagiarism if I get the images from the Wikia wiki and put them here, or would that count? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 20:11, 8 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::You might wanna ask their permission, we've conflicted with them on image-stealing before. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 20:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::Do you mean this [[:File:Terra (Art).png|artwork]] by any chance? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 21:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::Yeah, that's it. I'm [http://www.khwiki.net/Category:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep_Artwork_Images here], and want to add some artwork to the galleries, but some aren't showing up normally, have a weird icon, and say they don't exist. Also, added the Terra artworks to his Gallery (but it isn't on a separate page). --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 02:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Those images have to be on a separate gallery page, because they are redundant to what is already on the page. | |||
::If they're not showing up correctly, just ping me with the specific images, and I'll fix it.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.102.157|98.223.102.157]] 03:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I made a blank Gallery page of Terra [http://www.khwiki.net/Gallery:Terra here] Also, what's a "ping"?. --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 04:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::This conversation is getting out of hands but we generally don't make blank pages here and making an account here solves the "white image issue" (which will solve itself after some time though). --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 10:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Kana spelling == | |||
So, it's come to my attention that the kana of Ienzo's name has been updated from イ'''エ'''ンツォ (''Ientso'') to イ'''ェ'''ンツォ (''Yentso''). Notice how the エ kana is smaller? Now, in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz4INip4Xis this cutscene] from BBS (around the 0:06 mark), the kana clearly reads the original version with the large エ. But in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqmEElmQZwU this video] from 3D (around the 25:03 mark), the kana is comparatively smaller than the rest, especially since Even and Aeleus are mentioned, showing the normal-sized kana. Furthermore, [http://kh13.com/forum/uploads/gallery/album_95/gallery_6_95_1401798347_42539.png these] [http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/chart_character.png two] Ultimania scans show the kana to be smaller. As such, I think we should include both kana versions in the article. [[User:Immblueversion|Immblueversion]] ([[User talk:Immblueversion|talk]]) 17:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Looking at the KHBbS version, the "e" looks smaller in the caption, and doesn't fully stretch to the top, although it's taller than the other half-size kana. The intention seems to have a small "e" there, especially based on the ultimania; it's also what makes sense from the pronunciation. If we need to mention that the BbS version could be read as having a large "e", then I feel it would be most accurate to do a ref note treating it as a typo.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Rough draft == | |||
*Remove speculation | |||
*Avoid piped links -- html is not meant to be a funny workaround of lucid writing | |||
*Avoid script regurgitation | |||
*Use correct tenses | |||
*Avoid purple prose | |||
*Brevity is the soul of wit | |||
<pre> | |||
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Ienzo was given a [[Gummiphone]] by [[Chip]] and [[Dale]], to allow them communication across the worlds. He joins in the first call to [[Sora]]'s Gummiphone. Seeing how confused Sora is to see him, Ienzo tells him that it's been some time since they met at [[Castle That Never Was|the castle]], mistakenly assuming like members of [[Organization XIII|the first Organization]] that Sora has [[Roxas]]'s memories. He tries to get [[Aeleus]] to talk to Sora as well, but fails. He explains that he, Aeleus and [[Dilan]] have returned to being students of the heart; when they cast off their [[heart]]s to become [[Nobodies]], they were being deceived by [[Xehanort]] and [[Xemnas]]. However, because he mentioned them, Sora jumps to the wrong conclusion that they are still bad guys; though Goofy quickly remembers [[Lea|Axel]] is their ally now, ending the hostility. Ienzo goes on to explain that Ansem's Code has revealed that Sora's heart doesn't belong to him alone; Sora explains that its likely due to Roxas's heart residing inside of it. Ienzo states the idea has merit as it was amazing enough Roxas could coexist with his original self; he informs Sora that they will use this hypothesis to further their research into Ansem's Code and ends his call. Shortly afterward, Ienzo gets an alert on the computer that says someone is trying to log on using a different computer. He gives Sora a call, learning about the lab [[Ansem the Wise]] has in [[Twilight Town]]. After helping [[Pence]] set up a link to his computer in [[Radiant Garden]], Ienzo begins working to collect the data on Roxas from the [[Virtual Twilight Town|other Twilight Town]] to begin reconstructing his heart. | |||
[[King Mickey]] and [[Riku]] later visit him to ask about the possibility of using [[replica]]s as vessels for the hearts of Roxas and [[Namine]]. Ienzo explains that [[Even]] is the only one who would have in-depth knowledge of how to create replicas from his time as [[Vexen]]; however, he's vanished, with Aeleus and Dilan having no luck finding him. Any documents they have are from well before he made significant progress. Riku immediately guesses that the [[Real Organization XIII|new Organization]] may have taken him to use the replicas to fill out their ranks. | |||
Ienzo later calls Sora, revealing the part of Ansem's Code that they've managed to decipher. Ansem the Wise had discovered that not only does Roxas's heart reside within Sora's heart, but two more hearts as well; having just met [[Vanitas]] at [[Monstropolis]], Sora knows one is [[Ventus]], but remains clueless about the identity of [[Xion|the third heart]]. | |||
Despite the progress in reconstructing Roxas's heart from the Twilight Town data, Ienzo is stumped on how to progress any further as without a vessel to place the data in, they are at a standstill. At that moment, [[Demyx]] arrives from a dark corridor, carrying something wrapped in a sheet. Ienzo is surprised to see his old comrade from the Organization, who informs him that he's on a top secret special mission; since Demyx is so far off everyone's radar, he can make a very special delivery. To Ienzo's shock, his master Ansem the Wise emerges from the dark corridor. Overwhelmed with emotion, Ienzo tells Ansem that the other apprentices withheld the truth about banishing him to the [[Realm of Darkness]] and instead told him that he had gone mad and abandoned them; since he was child, he believed them easily. He apologizes with all his heart, only to be comforted by Ansem, who tells him that so long as he recgonizes his mistake, they can move forward. Demyx interrupts them to reveal that Vexen had given him a blank replica for their use. | |||
Ienzo places Roxas's data inside the replica and sends it to the [[Keyblade Graveyard]] mere moments before Xemnas can attempt to kill Xion and Lea. | |||
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