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Why did someone make this? Is it really nesscesary?-- | ==Untitled== | ||
Why did someone make this? Is it really nesscesary?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:53, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | |||
{{Template:ST|time=17:55, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Oh come on, a complainer already? the page has only been up for about a minute. It is of my opinion that if the wiki is going to treat nobodies and whole beings as two different people (as they should be) then we should have two pages on each of them for what we know}} | {{Template:ST|time=17:55, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Oh come on, a complainer already? the page has only been up for about a minute. It is of my opinion that if the wiki is going to treat nobodies and whole beings as two different people (as they should be) then we should have two pages on each of them for what we know}} | ||
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Look very carefully at this article...is there ''any'' information in it that does not already appear on [[Axel]]'s page? I really don't see anything being added to the wiki by this being here. Granted, there ''are'' pages being made for other "somebodies", but that is presuming they will have a role and story in ''[[Kingdom Hearts Birth | Look very carefully at this article...is there ''any'' information in it that does not already appear on [[Axel]]'s page? I really don't see anything being added to the wiki by this being here. Granted, there ''are'' pages being made for other "somebodies", but that is presuming they will have a role and story in ''[[Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep|Birth By Sleep]]'' outside of their existence as Nobodies. Unless more of Lea's background is unveiled somehow, this really should just be a redirect to Axel's article. [[User:BebopKate|<span style="color:indigo;">'''Bebop'''</span>]][[User talk:BebopKate|<span style="color:plum;">'''Kate'''</span>]] 18:27, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Maggosh|text=Spy is sappin' my joy.}} | {{Maggosh|text=Spy is sappin' my joy.}} | ||
:What does it matter if someone said "this is like giving Sora's mom a page" before? That's ''exactly'' what this is. All we know about Lea is his name and that he was friends with whole!Saix. And ''that's it''. This page is only longer than an introduction because it just talks about '''''Axel''''', which we have the '''''Axel page''''' for.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 19:04, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | :What does it matter if someone said "this is like giving Sora's mom a page" before? That's ''exactly'' what this is. All we know about Lea is his name and that he was friends with whole!Saix. And ''that's it''. This page is only longer than an introduction because it just talks about '''''Axel''''', which we have the '''''Axel page''''' for.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 19:04, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Maggosh|text=Whoa, dude, whoa! I was just recalling reading that sentence before, no need to go apeshit on me!}} | {{Maggosh|text=Whoa, dude, whoa! I was just recalling reading that sentence before, no need to go apeshit on me!}} | ||
Cut it out, you guys.-- | Cut it out, you guys.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Maggosh|text=Considered it severed from the present conversation.}} | {{Maggosh|text=Considered it severed from the present conversation.}} | ||
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The founding members are a little more important than Lea, that'd be my guess. I don't remember them having pages until after they were conformed in BBS.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 19:21, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | The founding members are a little more important than Lea, that'd be my guess. I don't remember them having pages until after they were conformed in BBS.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 19:21, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
True.-- | True.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:23, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=No, they were around longer than that.}} | {{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=No, they were around longer than that.}} | ||
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{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=i don't suppose we could vote on this?}} | {{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=i don't suppose we could vote on this?}} | ||
Go ahead.-- | Go ahead.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:11, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Correction: I dont suppose it would do us any good if we voted on it}} | {{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Correction: I dont suppose it would do us any good if we voted on it}} | ||
Perhaps.-- | Perhaps.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=then i vote keep the article}} | {{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=then i vote keep the article}} | ||
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==Lia or Lea?== | ==Lia or Lea?== | ||
In the new scans that was released, the box with Lea's name was spelled differently. It was spelled Lia. So, is it Lea or Lia now? I know I shouldn't be worrying over something like this, but stil...-- | In the new scans that was released, the box with Lea's name was spelled differently. It was spelled Lia. So, is it Lea or Lia now? I know I shouldn't be worrying over something like this, but stil...--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:55, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Maggosh|text=You can't get Axel out of Lia, can you? Just a typo on Famitsu's part.}} | {{Maggosh|text=You can't get Axel out of Lia, can you? Just a typo on Famitsu's part.}} | ||
I thought as much. I hope we can get clearer scans soon.-- | I thought as much. I hope we can get clearer scans soon.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:00, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Maggosh|text=My crops should suffice until then, right? And even then I'll just have to redo them. :P}} | {{Maggosh|text=My crops should suffice until then, right? And even then I'll just have to redo them. :P}} | ||
Yeah. Until we get clearer scans, I putt that "Betterpic" template on their pages.-- | Yeah. Until we get clearer scans, I putt that "Betterpic" template on their pages.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:04, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
To answer your question: Axel's true name is pronounced and written as "R/Lee-uh" in the original Japanese versions of the Kingdom Hearts games, and romanized as "Ria" or "Lia" due to the pronunciation of the "L" sound in the Japanese language. Thus, the "Lia typo" is born. --[[Special:Contributions/24.99.20.159|24.99.20.159]] 23:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | To answer your question: Axel's true name is pronounced and written as "R/Lee-uh" in the original Japanese versions of the Kingdom Hearts games, and romanized as "Ria" or "Lia" due to the pronunciation of the "L" sound in the Japanese language. Thus, the "Lia typo" is born. --[[Special:Contributions/24.99.20.159|24.99.20.159]] 23:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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{{Maggosh|text=Get rid of it. It's vague and sloppy.}} | {{Maggosh|text=Get rid of it. It's vague and sloppy.}} | ||
:Yeah. Uh. How so? Kingdom Hearts makes random Final Fantasy references all the time. Also, a Bomb ''is'' a flaming head with piranha teeth, last time I checked.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 17:59, January 5, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{R&D|time=18:11, January 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=Agree}} | |||
{{Maggosh|text=It looks nothing like it! It's not noteworthy if it doesn't resemble it!}} | |||
{{neumannz|text=Ooooh? | |||
[http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bomb_(Race) Doesn't look so different to me...]|time=01:43, January 6, 2010 (UTC)}} | |||
{{Maggosh|text=*puts gun in mouth; pulls trigger*}} | |||
{{neumannz|time=01:59, January 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=That attitude is really not necessary.<br>Anyway, if you're so sure it's a bad reference, you should ask around a bit more, since there all of four people here talking about it.}} | |||
{{Maggosh|text=I thought the fact I committed suicide was proof enough that I was conceding defeat.}} | |||
{{neumannz|time=02:04, January 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=Oh. I thought it meant you were so aggrivated by the argument that you wanted to commit suicide.}} | |||
{{Maggosh|text=A cork popping off a champange bottle and rendering an old man unconscious can be misconstrued as an assassination. You're not the first one.}} | |||
{{neumannz|happy=Hooray! I'm a follower!|time=17:53, January 6, 2010 (UTC)}} | |||
==Frisbees== | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=00:05, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=A few minor details about Lea's frisbees are incorrect. They are red with black edges, not totally black, and he actually carries two of them (live stream of someone playing BBS), twirling them in the same manner that Axel does.}} | |||
== Credits == | |||
{{Xiggie|time=17:07, January 11, 2010 (UTC)|talk=During the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAhn1FCJpY Final ending credits] (at 4:00), [[Lea]] and [[Isa]] are seen being thrown out of the Castle by [[Dilan]]. Afterwards, the two are seen buying some Sea-Salt Ice cream from [[Uncle Scrooge]], but then they gaze shockingly into the air. Kairi is also seen staring surprised into the air at 7:00... I wonder what's happening...}} | |||
{{Randomnessity|text=Wow. Huey, Dewey, and Louie sure know how to fly mini airplanes. | |||
But to your question Xiggie, Isa and Lea I thought just looked like they were staring at the sky, but when I saw Kairi it made me think there was something up there. | |||
I honestly can't say what though. Not a single theory is popping into my head. One question I have though is who was that ball of light that Sora was speaking to? Was that Ventus?}} | |||
{{Xiggie|time=17:46, January 11, 2010 (UTC)|talk=If you've seen Ventus's final battle and the cutscene/ending after that, you'll know that Ven's Heart is separated from his body, leaving his body an empty shell that was put into the Chamber of Awakening. His Heart somehow roamed the Awakening things, until it somehow stumbled across Sora, who let the Heart "be one with him" or something, so Sora's Heart is really his and Ven's hearts combined. that's a strange thought... but it would explain how Roxas looks like Ven. | |||
But back to Radiant Garden, there's definitely something up! And I wonder why Kairi's necklace sparkles for a moment there...}} | |||
{{Randomnessity|text=I must of missed that part of the ending. | |||
Yeah. Somethings definitely going on. But no matter how much I think I can't think of anything plausible...}} | |||
== New cutscene with Lea. == | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyRgem68abc | |||
Um.. spoiler warning if you don't want to know ANYTHING, I guess. It's in Japanese and dosen't have subtitles, and I doubt it'll be up for long, but it looks like Lea and Isa are in Radiant Garden. Could this support the theory that they are natives? I think so. :] Don't see how they could've traveled there otherwise... | |||
Anyway. Thoughts on this new video? Does anyone understand it? | |||
:Meh, too lazy to translate the whole thing, but basically, Ven's butthurt about something, Lea pokes fun at Terra's wooden keyblade ("Look at ''mine!'' Way cooler, right?), they introduce themselves, spar, Isa's actually an alright guy, just quiet, Isa reminds Lea that they have a place to be, et cetera. Whether they're native or not doesn't come up, but I think it's pretty obvious they are, they don't have a means of travel and only appear in the Radiant Garden.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 07:21, January 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Also it already says Radiant Garden in the infobox you could've read ''that'' much ಠ_ಠ —[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 07:23, January 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Daniel == | |||
{{HeartFallout|time=01:33, January 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=Someone named Daniel keeps screwing up Lea's page by throwing his name in there everywhere}} | |||
{{neumannz|time=01:38, January 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just put a warning on the guy's talk page, let's see what he does.}} | |||
== Irony == | |||
{{TenzaZangetsu|time= February 11 2010 (UTC)|text= Lea said that he should be best friend with Ven, instead of Isa. Isn't that a bit ironic?.}} | |||
{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 08:39, February 12, 2010 (UTC)|text= pretty sure it was just as a joke. And I can't see any irony in it since it's Ven. Now, if say in the beginning of Days Saix was spectating Axel vs. Roxas, and they used that line, THEN I could see some irony. but I see where you're coming from.}} | |||
== hahahaha funny.... == | |||
{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 03:03, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text= is it just me or does Lea look more like Reno then Axel does. They both look like Reno, since Nomura stated he wanted to give a familiar character a different role and whatnot, but I just think Lea looks more like Reno then Axel.}} | |||
Hey, you're right! Well, we need to tame some of his hair a little more, but yeah. Lea's closer to Reno than Axel. Let's get the kid some sunglasses and a business suit immediately! | |||
== Boss Fight? == | |||
Do you fight Lea as a boss fight, or is it just a cutscene? [[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 22:59, March 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Cutscene. You don't even actually see the fight.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 23:00, March 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Content from Axel Page == | |||
'''This needs to be added to the Lea page in the best way possible, as it contains information relevant to the article that was once a redundant section on the Axel page :''' | |||
*{{Q|We have to set things right. There is simply too much on the line... Lea.|Saïx revealing Axel's true name during their conversation over Roxas and Xion at The World That Never Was in ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''.}} | |||
Before becoming a Nobody, the character known as Axel was a teenager named Lea (pronounced "Lee"). Lea was friends with Saïx's original persona, Isa, the two planning to take over Organization XIII together. Once Lea joined, his name changed to Axel, Isa's name changed to Saïx. Identities weren't the only things that changed, however, as Saïx changed to an emotionless, calm Nobody in terms of personality. Axel's personality remained more or less unchanged. This caused the bond Axel and Saïx shared as humans to break. Over time, Axel possibly forgot about their plans or chose to keep them secret and not think about them, as Saïx became Xemnas's second-in-command. He was later reminded by his old friend about the plans they once had. Saïx even addressed Axel by his original name. Lea and Isa's friendship later turned into a hostility, as seen in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' and ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''. | |||
'''Thank you.''' - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 20:20, April 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I kind of meant for this to actually happen... There is content that must be in the article. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 18:50, May 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Re: Frisbee == | |||
{{ST|text=anyone else notice that the frisbees shape resembles that of the head of Saïx's claymore?}} | |||
== Name pronunciation == | |||
What is the source for this?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:03, July 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days'' has it prounounced as "lee" in the English version.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:59, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== his role == | |||
{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 17:56, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|luxord= since we know that only Ven fights Lea out of fun and he's not an antagonist, can't we just say that Lea is kinda a neutral ally? Or something along the lines of that?}} | |||
{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=21:36, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=Makes sense, I second that. I'll change it now. If someones feels it shouldn't be that just change it back.}} | |||
== Have you noticed... == | |||
Have you noticed that Aeleus backwards is Sue Lea and Lexaeus backwards is Sue Axel? Maybe Lexaeus/Aeleus dislikes Axel/Lea. Should we include this somewhere in the pages [[Aeleus]], [[Lexaeus]], [[Axel]] and [[Lea]] | |||
[[User:Archlight 101|Archlight 101]] 08:33, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:...no, we shouldn't.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 14:22, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I'm not saying I will start editing it, BUT. Apparently Axel is revealed to be a Keyblade wielder towards the end of Dream Drop Distance, be prepared for clean up regarding that.--[[User:Lavaros|Lavaros]] 08:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
You mean Lea, and why isn't their any info regarding KH:DDD yet? The suspense at finding out all the info that is in DDD is killing me faster than my pet heartless! --[[User:Sapphowako|Sapphowako]] 00:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
Axel/Lea. The adult version is the same to me.--[[Special:Contributions/124.148.41.171|124.148.41.171]] 12:32, 31 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
@Sapphowako, we're not superheroes. The game just came out, and both YouTube walkthroughs and livestreams are largely incomplete. Plus, many editors don't own a 3DS. We can't just put every single detail on the game within the week it comes out. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 13:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Source?== | |||
In the "Abilities" section it says Lea got the ability to wield a Keyblade from "magically compressed training with Yen Sid, Merlin, and the three fairies". Is there a source for this? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 04:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah. DDD. I'll explain in detail tomorrow. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Ah dang, man. I totally blanked on you big time. Anyways, the source. After completing the Symphony of Sorcery, the cutscene "The King Departs" plays. In it, after being questioned vaguely about Lea's training, Yen Sid ''clearly'' states that "Merlin and the three good fairies are aiding him in a place that's more...temporally flexible.". [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 00:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Please rewrite == | |||
[https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Lea&type=revision&diff=719307&oldid=716908] | |||
Most of the anon's edit here is salvageable and good stuff, but it removes ''way'' too much context that helps the reader understand what the stage directions actually mean, so it comes off very robotic. The intent was good, but the execution has this flaw we need to correct.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:50, 21 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
== His quote. == | |||
My version of his quote, being ""Axel"? Please! The name's Lea! Got it memorized?" does represent him, since he doesn't like when people always call him by his Nobody's name, and thus, with his catchprase, shows how he wants to be remembered the right way by calling him by the right name. Plus, the "Please !" shows how he mocks Xigbar about his mistake, meaning he tends to make fun of his enemies. {{User:Braviaggron/Sig}} 23:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:For reference, the [[User talk:KrytenKoro#Lea|previous discussion]].{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
::I think the quote Chitalian put is better, as it is more meaningful. It truly embodies Lea's desire to be remembered by everyone he meets. It's a quote that pushes past Lea's typical cocky behavior and reveals his profound wish to be remembered and live through the memories of others, which is why he always say "Got it memorized?"; thus, the quote gives Lea's personality a more meaningful representation.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
It's not just that the current quote is indicative of his personality, it's also that ''Lea's primary motivation is being spelled out to us''. This is what drives the character, it's the building block around which Lea's personality is built. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 19:36, 16 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:His version doesn't contain his catchphrase, and it is about a younger version of Lea, not the actual version of himself being the adult, appearing in KH3D, and thus, this younger version is obsolete. The simple fact is that in this game, people always mistake him for Axel, and he makes that correction, by wanting to be remembered the right way, like I've already said that before. Plus, it also has the catchphrase being "Got it memorized ?" as well ! To me, it truly represents his personality as his actual version (this fact overruling the other quote) and shows how he makes fun of his enemies, so there's no way it doesn't represent him at all ! {{User:Braviaggron/Sig}} 15:54, 17 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
::It seems you're really hung about using the quote you recommended simply because it contains his catchphrase and doesn't like being called Axel. The quote should be more about personality and dig deep into what truly embodies that character. As Chitalian pointed out, the current quote is " building block around which Lea's personality is built". It pushes past the surface of Lea's cocky, sarcastic, jovial personality and represents his innermost desire, which is to be remembered by everyone he meets. In any case, would it be acceptable to put the "Axel"? Please! The name's Lea! Got it memorized?" quote in his personality section and leave the current quote as it on top of the page?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::And thus give up his catchphrase being on top of the page ? {{User:Braviaggron/Sig}} 18:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::It's really not that important to have a catchphrase featured like that, and we already mention it in his personality section. We're not trying to show that Lea is some vehicle for a catchphrase, we want to display the best quote possible to give us insight into the character. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 18:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
If I may. I personally have no real care for this topic; I feel that this is the least significant issue on this page. However, it appears that [http://kh13.com/news/transcribtion-of-the-kingdom-hearts-orchestra-world-tour-guide Square Enix feels] "The name's Lea. Got it memorized?" is a good show of his character. So, with that in mind, I think '''that''' should be his quote. But, again, it's not the biggest deal, so it doesn't really matter in the long run. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 21:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
==Destruction of the Flame Liberator== | |||
Does anyone know what the status of Lea's Keyblade is after Xemnas destroys it? It's an odd question, I know, but Lea is seen using Flame Liberator later when the Keyblade Wielders close Kingdom Hearts. This doesn't make any sense if it was broken by Xemnas(?) Does anyone know if the Ultimania says anything about this? ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 21:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)) | |||