Talk:The Experiment

Should this be titled "Experiment" or is it officially called the Experiment in Jiminy's Journal? Randomnessity Ho, Ho, Ho.... How foolhardy you are to dare challenge me, KRAKEN the FIEND of the Water!

LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 17:50, March 13, 2010 (UTC) According to the Journal, it is called The Experiment.

All right. Good to know. Since that's the official name that's the way it should stay. Randomnessity The Fiend of Wind, who dominates the heavens from her lofty perch

I dunno, starting a page with "the" is pretty dumb in my opinion.—Urutapu 22:59, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

I believe that if there is an article in the official records, then it should start with the article. I mean, come on... It does sound a little weird ; but when I compare with my second most familiar version - Radiant Garden and Jardin Radieux (no article), The Experiment and L’Expérience (definite article). Well of course, there are going to be discrepancies for characters like the Beast, who is simply called Beast in the English version, and other characters like the Prince and the Queen (Dwarf Woodlands characters have this anomaly, I've noticed). So where there is going to be an assumption that you're talking about something in general (like, which prince, and which queen ?), it's best to have an article. I stand corrected, and I'm waiting for the English release of BBS to see what they come up with. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:56, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - We could move "Prince" to whatever name he has in the Disney materials, which would ease confusion between "Prince Philip" and the article that was formerly known as "Prince".

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 03:43, March 14, 2010 (UTC)   He has a name?

Poor Experiment

Lying Memories - I'd rather we just skip the formalities. TALK - The Darkness in men's hearts, drawn to these cursed medallions; and this Heartless, a veritable maelstrom of avarice: I wonder, are they worthy to serve Organization XIII? - Lying Memories 01:10, August 6, 2010 (UTC) I gotta be honest here, I seriously felt bad for The Experiment, looking for a heart, never receiving one, only to be bashed and beaten by Sora and company. I feel the same for most of the Organization, but the Experiment had no malice behind its actions.

FMII

What is Sora's prize in FMII?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:52, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

HP increase. RikutheBloody 19:59, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Heartless

Hi, guys, I only want to say to you The Experiment is officially an Heartless, if you press pause during the battle the info say "Defeat the artificial HEARTLESS made by Dr. Finkelstein... bla bla bla", yhea, you can say "but it can be an error", yhea, that CAN be an error, but, look what I found. http://www.destinyislands.com/kh-tcg/endless-darkness/ The Experiment card is classified as a "Heartless", and I doubt they made for 2 times the same error. So I think he is a Heartless.--189.39.241.193 21:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Artificial Heartless =/= Heartless. It's a mechanical creation, and wasn't made either from the darkness of a heart or the typical Emblem manufacturing process. I also wouldn't use the word of the TCG as law. Chitalian8 13:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

It's not a Heartless, but we should still mention it's designed to be an artificial Heartless.67.236.72.165 17:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Guys, I was quite interested about the Experiment's race, and I want to see a thing to have the ultimate proof if he is a Heartless or not, and he IS a Heartless. Why? Well, there is 3 proofs of this:

• 1-During the battle if you put the game in pausa will call him "Heartless"
• 2-In TCG he is classified as Heartless (not Villain, Villain have a dark flame symbol, Heartless have the Heartless symbol, and The Experiment have the Heartless symbol in his card)
• 3-This is the ultimate proof. I noticed that the Wisdom and Final Form gain experience even if you kill Heartless boss (for Wisdom) and Nobodies (for Final), I noticed this because I unlocked the Final Form against Xigbar and kill him, and after the battle I noticed the Final Form had 1 EXP even if I killed just Xigbar with it. So I wanted to do this experiment with The Experiment too, using the Wisdom Form, resulting... The Experiment GIVE EXP to Wisdom Form, proving he is definively a Heartless (I thinked Hostile Program too was a Heartless and I do the same thing, but Hostile Program DON'T give EXP per WF), so The Experiment is a Heartless. If you don't belive me, please go to check yourself--186.237.40.21 21:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's certainly interesting. It's still weird that it's not covered in the Heartless section of the journal, which seems to indicate as discussed in the article that it has qualities of a Heartless without being fully a Heartless, sort of like the Soul Eater's situation. We should do a check with all the unspecified bosses in this game, I think."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:13, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I think is not covered in Heartless section just because The Experiment in the second visit of HT is a true character, I mean, all the second visit is focused about The Experiment, others Heartless bosses you just defeat them and over there. I suspect the Scar's Ghost too is a Heartless, but since in Pride Lands I cannot use fusions, is impossible to verify without doubt... but for the Experiment, how we can see, there is 3 different proofs that indicate he is a Heartless, and the fact he appear in the character section in the journal, is just because he is in fact a true character in-game, with a role in the story, so I suggest to change the template to be a Heartless and insert him in Heartless bosses template and Heartless page--186.237.43.36 11:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the KH2 Ultimania refers to the Experiment, Scar, and Phantom Scar(s) as "Others" (anything that isn't Heartless or Nobody) in the enemy section. Ultima Spark (talk) 06:22, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

The game refering him as a Heartless in both pause menu and the Wisdom Form gain EXP from him, plus, the card game too refering him as a Heartless. And 3 > 1, so, why give importance to one proof that is out of the game instead of 3 proofs (bigger number) that 2 are in-game and 1 is out of the game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎186.237.43.36 (talk • contribs)

The game calls him an artificial Heartless, the card game has other errors, and Wisdom Form EXP gain is a semi-hidden stat that focuses on mechanical effect rather than narrative role. Meanwhile, the ultimania section that labels it as "Other", as well as its placement in the Journal, demonstrates narrative role."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Even Ansem, the Organization and others are in the character section, but because they are Heartless, Noboedies, ecc... that have the role of true characters, The Experiment is the same. Look like you are trying to say "but Ultimania said that", ok, but we have others 3 officials proofs that say he is an Heartless, that seems you prefer to ignoring and 3 > 1, the character section don't mean nothing, just mean he is a character and not just a boss, and this is true. And say "but the WF exp is a sami-hidden thing" too don't mean nothing, is there, Square do that. Why the Experiment give EXP and any other boss no-Heartless don't? How he is was created too don't mean nothing. Shadow Soras was created by Riku with a snap of his fingers, but they are Heartless, even if created in different way from others for exemple. Xion was created in a different way from the others Nobodies, but she is still a Nobody, so the creation way is not so much important to say "he is/not a Heartless/Nobody/ecc..." even the Spirit of the Magic Mirror was created with a potion, and is totally different from others Unversed--186.237.43.36 17:24, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

So, now I discovered that when The Experiment kill you, will be the same Game Over screen that appear ONLY if you are killed by a Heartless (with the floating heart). So... let's see all the proofs that say he is a Heartless:

• The pause menu during The Experiment's boss battle call him "Heartless".
• The TCG classify him as a Heartless.
• The Wisdom Form gain EXP from The Experiment if defeated with this Form (and the WF gain EXP ONLY if kill Heartless).
• When you are killed by The Experiment, in the Game Over screen will appear a floating heart (thing that happen ONLY if you are killed by a Heartless).

This that say he is not a Heartless:

• Absolutly NOTHING, except the fact that he apprear in Character section of the Journal, thing that happen even with Ansem and Sora's Heartless, but nobody question that they are Heartless.

I think the nature of this enemy is quite clear right now... and I really doubt Square make ALL this mistakes about him.--93.150.192.201 11:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

I can't find a youtube clip of anyone dying to the experiment, so if you can provide that, then sure. That would be a good way to test the other people on the list too, since the game over and wisdom/final form are the only convincing methods."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I already done that part, and to be honest I don't see reason why I should do that since I'm not even a true user here, I just said what I discovered. If you don't belive me is just play that part and see if what I said is true--93.150.193.183 13:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

That's cool, we can wait."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

What? The wiki is your, not mine. The interest of give to the reader the most correct infos should be yours, not mine. I just give you some info of what I found, and even if I do the game again, how I can show to you about the EXP and the Game over? If I write here you don't belive me and apparently your are too lazy to see for yourself, I just give some information for try to help the wiki--93.150.193.183 15:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Dude, not everyone has kh2 at hand to check this for themselves, and youtube doesn't show anyone losing to the experiment. All I asked for was proof of your claim (ex. taking a cellphone video of you dying to the experiment), the same requirements everyone else, even the mods, have to meet."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:33, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Understand, well, I can't in really short time... but I will try, but in the meantime, I suggest to ask to others to check for it, like in forums or website ecc...--93.150.192.213 19:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

1:38:43. Not sure what you saw on your copy, but it's definitely not a heartless. there's still the wisdom form thing which I think chaineh did confirm tho, so we can note that on page."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

So... I'm making lives for all KH games/movies in chronological order, and since I wanted to use Mickey vs Lord Blizzard and LOrd Volcano, I tryed to kill myself, and I noticed that even when Lord Volcano and Lord Blizzard kill you, the heart don't appear in the Game Over screen, this happened too when a Fat Bandit killed me. If you don't belive me, here the live I made (maybe Dark Stalker and Dark Thorn too have this, that when they kill you don't appear the heart... but I'm don't pay attention when I do that part).

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/364024745

I will do too a live where I will kill The Experiment with Wisdom Form and I will show the Form EXP before ad after the battle to prove to you that he is a Heartless.--93.150.192.205 01:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I do the stream and I killed The Experiment with Wisdom Form, and it give to me EXP (71 -> 70) and here the video. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/365790912

Okay, so at 1:42:46, you have 89 wisdom experience, then at 1:54:54, after defeating the experiment and having no other combat, you have 90 wisdom experience. Checks out to me."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:42, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Here’s a clip with the actual Wisdom level-up text in battle. (This means the Ultimania is in error, which is…unusual - but my copy does have some weird oddities, like Phantom Jafar’s Thunder being listed as Physical). Unfortunately the same testing can’t be done with the other borderline case of Scar (since you can’t Drive in Pride Lands), so someone would need to delve into the coding for that. Ultima Spark (talk) 22:28, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Scar (and Scar's Ghost) can be programmed as a regular enemy, to be sure if the Pride Lands exclusive enemies are programmed as Heartless, I suggest to see if Living Bones, Shaman, Aerial Knocker and/or Groundshaker too are programmed as Heartless (they can be found only in Pride Lands and Underworlds tournaments (exept for Groundshaker for Underworld), and so, impossible to give Wisdom Form EXP in regular game, so if the actual Pride Lands Heartless are programmed as Heartless in data files (and give EXP to Wisdom Form) that means Scar and Scar's Ghost too should give EXP if they are actual Heartless.

Another enemy to test I think can be AntiForm, I heavly suppose is a Heartless, or maybe is something different and is a Replica and is considered a Nobody. If someone can test it will be really usefull--5.133.48.68 23:36, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Do you mean Shadow Roxas?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:23, 25 January 2019 (UTC)