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{{Xabryn|text=In the battle against Riku in Destiny Islands he doesn't use the same battle stance as he usually does, it is more similar to Terra's and when Riku defend he defense is just like Terra's}} | {{Xabryn|text=In the battle against Riku in Destiny Islands he doesn't use the same battle stance as he usually does, it is more similar to Terra's and when Riku defend he defense is just like Terra's}} | ||
{{RN867|time=10:45,Sept,03/10|ven= but in the flashbacks in RE:COM when riku is a kid he is using his usual stance it probably looked liked terra's because riku was only a boss in kh1 and th battle stance made him look more taunting}} | {{RN867|time=10:45,Sept,03/10|ven= but in the flashbacks in RE:COM when riku is a kid he is using his usual stance it probably looked liked terra's because riku was only a boss in kh1 and th battle stance made him look more taunting}} | ||
{{Xabryn|text=Don' forget that this wasn't a real memory namine created, Riku already used that battle stance in Castle Oblivion so Namine just used it in the memory instead of using the one he used by that time, also look at this: | {{Xabryn|text=Don' forget that this wasn't a real memory namine created, Riku already used that battle stance in Castle Oblivion so Namine just used it in the memory instead of using the one he used by that time, also look at this:{{#widget:YouTube|id=1us0KFcrCYM}} around 2:20 it shows Sora and Riku fighting and his usual battle stance isn't showed. And about Kairi thing: Eraqus uses is keyblade with both hands and Kairi only use one hand in other words Kairi and Eraqus battle stances are not alike}} | ||
{{RN867|time=11:12pm|ven= true namine did change the memories but namine's power is to manipulate them based on what actually happened, namine placed that memory before she met riku and she used memories that she saw of riku in sora. and riku's stance in kh1 isnt a technically a stance but more of a pose to taunt sora when he is fighting him}} | {{RN867|time=11:12pm|ven= true namine did change the memories but namine's power is to manipulate them based on what actually happened, namine placed that memory before she met riku and she used memories that she saw of riku in sora. and riku's stance in kh1 isnt a technically a stance but more of a pose to taunt sora when he is fighting him}} | ||
{{Xabryn|text=Maybe she didn't met the real Riku bu by that time she probaby met Riku Replica and he uses the same batle stance as Riku. Look at when Riku defends in any battle and how Terra defends they're very alike only Terra's defense is pointing his Keyblade down and Riku is pointing it to the side, that's what made me think about it so I noticed that Riku in DI seems to use a battle stance similar to Terra's in that time}} | {{Xabryn|text=Maybe she didn't met the real Riku bu by that time she probaby met Riku Replica and he uses the same batle stance as Riku. Look at when Riku defends in any battle and how Terra defends they're very alike only Terra's defense is pointing his Keyblade down and Riku is pointing it to the side, that's what made me think about it so I noticed that Riku in DI seems to use a battle stance similar to Terra's in that time}} | ||
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{{KrytenKoro|So Sora ''did'' steal the Keyblade from Riku. Why then do the Journal profiles say Riku lost it because it rejected his darkness (Master Xehanort and Vanitas, though?), and why can't Riku keep it when he takes it back?}} | {{KrytenKoro|So Sora ''did'' steal the Keyblade from Riku. Why then do the Journal profiles say Riku lost it because it rejected his darkness (Master Xehanort and Vanitas, though?), and why can't Riku keep it when he takes it back?}} | ||
{{ShardofTruth|time=21:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)|talk=Maybe these are the part that are still "obsucre". Riku could be unable to hold Sora's keyblade because he uses the Soul Eater at this point and we don't know how keyblades from the Realm of Darkness behave (if Master Xehnaort's Keyblade and Vanitas's Void Gear are of this type). Anyway Sora can use two keyblades because of Ventus but did not obtain his own keyblade because of him.}} | {{ShardofTruth|time=21:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)|talk=Maybe these are the part that are still "obsucre". Riku could be unable to hold Sora's keyblade because he uses the Soul Eater at this point and we don't know how keyblades from the Realm of Darkness behave (if Master Xehnaort's Keyblade and Vanitas's Void Gear are of this type). Anyway Sora can use two keyblades because of Ventus but did not obtain his own keyblade because of him.}} | ||
{{LightRoxas|ven=I think there's a difference between where one's Keyblade comes from and where their ability to wield a Keyblade comes from. It is my understanding that Sora gets his Keyblade from Riku but the ability from Ventus. Although if you guys think I'm wrong, we can change things.}} | |||
{{ShardofTruth|time=20:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)|talk=Hmm, I really don't know. You mean even if Captain Jack Sparrow could grab Sora's keyblade he wouldn't be able to use it unless his heart is stronger than Sora's or he has another keyblade wielder's heart inside him? That seem's too complicated too me.}} | |||
:Actually, yes, that's exactly what I mean. You need the weapon and the ability; one or the other doesn't get you anywhere. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Regarding the post in the Forum: This seems to explain how Sora ''got'' the Keyblade, not ''why he can wield one''. The game journals themselves also say that Riku lost the Keyblade to Sora "when he chose darkness over light"...so either the journal is being incredibly disingenuous, or the Nomura interview was not translated totally correctly. (Or, Nomura is contradicting his own damn self and shouldn't be trusted).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::We also have to take into consideration that the interview from the KH Ultimania is from 2002. So maybe the ingame information is more correct at this point than Nomura's answers about matters that did become more and more complicated with each game. We also don't know what makes a heart weaker (or stronger for this matter), or do we?--[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Honestly, I think Nomura just didn't plan ahead that well. He probably didn't think KH would catch on as much as it has. I'd say we should trust in-game info. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 23:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
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:In the original Japanese release of KHBBS, there was a brief glow when the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony was performed. This is how we know that Kairi unintentionally received the Keyblade from Aqua. | :In the original Japanese release of KHBBS, there was a brief glow when the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony was performed. This is how we know that Kairi unintentionally received the Keyblade from Aqua. | ||
:And, may I say, Google Chrome is awesome. So glad I switched. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 03:24, 1 July 2011 (EDT) | :And, may I say, Google Chrome is awesome. So glad I switched. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 03:24, 1 July 2011 (EDT) | ||
== Possible reason Lea might have a keyblade in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance == | |||
While skimming through this article it just came to me, is it possible the reason Lea can wield a keybalde in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance is because Lea has touched Ven's keyblade when going to Radiant Garden making it a Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony --[[User:Kh2cool|Kh2cool]] ([[User talk:Kh2cool|talk]]) 00:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
:That Keyblade was wooden...the reason behind Lea's ability to wield has been explained already. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 02:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
Oh yeah, that didn't slip my mind for a minute. --[[User:Kh2cool|Kh2cool]] ([[User talk:Kh2cool|talk]]) 18:00, 19 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Name== | |||
Did BBS give provide this English name? KH3D calls it the "Bequeathing". --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
Where did we get "Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony" from? Because I don't remember it in any game so the "Bequeathing" seems to be the only name we got from an official source. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
::FifteenthMember-san, Neumz-senpai started the same topic above. ^^; I don't know who came up with the name either, but I'm all for it to change it to be "Bequeathing". If that is what the game used, then we should use it, too. Any objections?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::I'm all for using what the games use, as well! - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 02:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
::I'm all for changing it too. Though I would suggest keeping the word Keyblade in the title, calling it the "Keyblade Bequeathing", just so other readers understand immediately what we're talking about. Just a suggestion. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 06:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Keep in mind we can create a redirect of keyblade inheritance ceremony for the new page. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 11:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
::::"Keyblade" isn't part of the name used in KH3D, though. If we're changing the title to reflect the official name, then we should use the official name.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Well, I only put that for the sake of 'Bequeathing what?' But if I must I'll remove that part of the name from the suggestion prompt. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 17:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Looking back in the history, the person who first created the page was a user called Rjilano. So, yeah, the name is unofficial. I tried looking for interviews, too, thinking that may be where the name came from, but I got nothing. I already said this when the topic was brought up, but I'm up for moving it, too. By the way, I also mentioned that Neumz-senpai asked the same question above, so it is okay to combine it, because having two sections with the same topic is just redundant.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'm for moving. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::Enough time has passed, and everyone here is in agreement about the move, so I'm going to move it now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
==Master-level== | |||
I know that if you're on the level of a Master, then you can Bequeath someone, but where was this stated? Was it in a Nomura interview or something? I can't find the source. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 15:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
:''-- The Keyblade succession can only be performed by a Keyblade Master, but we see Terra performing this rite with Riku - does this mean we can consider Terra a Keyblade Master?'' | |||
::''Nomura: No. Terra was not awarded that title by his Master Eraqus, so no matter how Master Xehanort flatters him he is not a Keyblade Master. But that's just a matter of whether or not he's achieved the official title. Even Eraqus recognised that Terra possessed suitable power to be a Master, which is why he was able to perform the rite for Riku.'' | |||
:http://forums.khinsider.com/birth-sleep/147009-bbs-ultimania-plot-mysteries-nomura-interview.html | |||
::Thank you! --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 19:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
=="power to wield a Keyblade"== | |||
What's the source for the Bequeathing giving someone the power to wield a Keyblade or actually doing anything at all? I've seen so many people say this, and I've even said it as well many times before, but after looking into it, I can't find a source. As far as we know, the Bequeathing is just a tradition like the Mark of Mastery is and doesn't actually do anything. As far as we know, all you need in order to wield a Keyblade is to have a strong heart. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 02:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Well, we know that when a person with a strong heart touches a Keyblade, they can wield one, as seen in BBS by Kairi, so maybe the Bequeathing is just a formal way of letting someone touch your Keyblade, and thereby passing on the Keyblade-wielding ability. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
::"Through the "Bequeathing," they choose the next generation of Keyblade wielders" / "He decided to bequeath the power of the Keyblade to this little boy, who reminded him so much of himself."{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::Thank you! The "He decided to bequeath the power of the Keyblade to this little boy, who reminded him so much of himself" is the concrete proof I needed! --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 03:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::So, doesn't that mean that the question "How does Sora have the ability to wield a Keyblade?" is currently unanswered? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 03:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::Yes, it does. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::::It's a combination of Sora having Ventus's heart within him, and forging Riku's Keyblade from his heart during that scene on Destiny Islands.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Actually, according to Nomura, aside from the ability to use Synch Blade, Sora "hasn't actually inherited much from Ventus". Remember, the Master of Masters was the first Keyblade wielder, so he couldn't have had the Bequeathing performed on him. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:28, 16 April 2017 (UTC) | |||