Talk:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

Would anyone be opposed to moving this? "Xehanort's Heartless" is more what he is than one he's called. Maybe what he calls himself, i.e. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness? I'll go ahead and do it if no one objects over the next few days. Scottch 05:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I really think it should be called Xehanort's Heartless. Ansem may be a name he stole and uses, but it's not who he really is. It's what everyone in the game calls him, so why not here? DannyP 18:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Didn't see your reply, so this is late...

Anyway, it's definitely not the only thing he's called in the games, he's called that by a few characters even after it's been made clear who he is, especially at the end of the game. Besides, it's also the name he takes, it just makes more sense to me to call him by a name than an "object description", for lack of a better phrase. He's also called "Ansem" for a full two of the three games, and the first half of the last game (in the sparse times it's mentioned). Although he was originally thought to be Ansem the Wise and that turned out to be untrue, it doesn't change the fact that he identified as "Ansem" still. I guess it sort of comes down to "what's in a name", but I think the use of the name makes it his identity, even if it's based on a lie. Scottch 21:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Ansem, Seeker of Darkness was the name he chose, so that should be what the page is called. it shouldnt be what he is, Sora's page isnt called Kingdom Key weilder, thats what he is not who he is. 1a2b3c 11:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree this page sould be called Ansem, Seeker of Darkness just like Xemnas page is Xemnas and not Xehanort's Nobody also the name could be consider a bit of a spoiler to those who haven't played KHII.Masgrande 21:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Merger

I have another question. Couldn't we just merge this with the World of Chaos and Guardian? After all, both sections are stubs, and both creatures are never seen without him. Thoughts?

Good idea. It'd be a perfect fit for a battle technique kind of section. DannyP 15:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

abilites

sorry to bother the editors but I think there should be a section called abilites which lists all of "Ansems" named attacks. I know in kh he just grunted but every time he saves up 3 cards in chain of memories we see the name of the slate underneth.

sincerly luis

PS I also reckomend we do this with all other charectors but also file magic underneth abilites (only because very few charectors use spells) this should go with all charectors like tarzans healing herb ability (because it a heal)

That sounds like a very logical idea. I wouldn't mind doing that on various pages! Maybe even describe the attacks! Muhahahaha!

P.S. Your comments don't have to be letters.

P. S. S. Here, you sign using 4 tildes (~) 96.28.108.27 23:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

P. S. S. S. You aren't bothering the editors.

P. S. S. S. S. Would you like me to do a grammer check on your comment? It would make editors flock to your comment more! I really want your suggestion to happen!

This page contridicts itself!

This page can't seem to decide if Xehanort's Heartless looks human because of strong will or a warped Riku. I'm not sure whether to delete one of the theories, show that they're theories, or a third option. Any ideas? 96.28.108.27 23:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Battles

Oath to Order - Aaah! Chainsaw! The great communicator! TALK - OtOcon^_- 21:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC) What to do? This is the character page. Where do I put the boss info? Separate? Apart?

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - {{{time}}} Xehanort's Heartless (Boss)

Billy Zane

Out of curiosity, I heard Billy Zane refused to return as Ansem in Kingdom Hearts 2. Does anyone know why?

Likely too busy. XienZo 05:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Unsure about this statement

It says "Xehanort's Heartless body is actually Riku's body. When he fully gained control of it he changed the body's appearance" But wouldn't this imply that Riku had lost his body and become a heartless, and thus would have a Nobody? But since the latter two are untrue, I don't see how Xehanort's Heartless could have been doing anything other than making his own form look like Riku's on Destiny Islands at the end of the game. Can someone explain?

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! It's true that Riku lost his Body but kept his heart. Therefore he does not have a nobody, nor is he a heartless. However as Xehanort's heartless uses his Riku's body, he could be considered Riku's nobody. But he's not. He uses Riku's body because it was drawn to the Darkness, and he lost his true body. Xehanort's Heartless already had a set figure, and Riku's body changed to his form.

Ruler

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - When, and of what, exactly?

I didn't put that category there. But come to think of it, wasn't he the one who usurped Ansem the Wise's leadership ? By banishing Ansem to the Realm of Nothingness, his Heartless became the ruler of what was then known as Hollow Bastion, whilst his Nobody took charge of The World that Never Was. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? He's the ruler of the End of the World, the final level that is in and of itself the Heartless HQ. It's all but outright said that's probably the King of Heartless or something like that. Also Trois, I'm pretty sure that when Ansem was at his biggest threat Maleficent was the ruler of Hollow Bastion, not Ansem.

I was talking about immediately after Ansem the Wise was banished...... Of course Maleficent took over HB later but then, what's the essence of it ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Names - Unsure

Just looked at the Riku Replica page, and noticed it calling Xehanort's Heartless "Ansem." Is this because he wasn't known as Xehanort's Heartless at the time of CoM? I think it makes more sense calling him by his true name....Endless Oblivion

"Xehanort's Heartless" isn't a name, though, and "Ansem" belongs to him just as much as the Organization member's names belong to themselves. He was attempting to take someone's reputation, yes, but "Ansem" is still who the Heartless was.

Plus, it's a rather large part of the plot, them not knowing who DiZ is yet and thinking the Heartless was Ansem, and it would be confusing to anyone who's not played KH2 yet.Glorious CHAOS! 16:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. I see how that makes sense...Thanks.

Other forms

Well, his cloaked form is his true Heartless form, while his fancy silver-haired form is merely how he manipulates riku's body (perhaps that's what Riku will look like grown up?) So we should be clear on that in the article.

Also, we might want to have a section covering the guardian, though there's not really much to say beyond battle stuff. We should add as much non-battle info as we can, though.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 11:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC) By Cloaked, do you mean the Organization Cloak or the cloak from KH1? And no, I don't think that he attained that form because of controlling Riku. Xehanort had hair similar to that, and so does Xemnas...Xemnas is closer in hair design to Xehanort because he is Xehanort's empty body given new life after the Xehanort's Heartless was born.It specifically says Xehanort retained his physical appearance as a Heartless and Nobody. That means the "fancy" silver-haired form IS his true form. He just wore the cloak from KH1 to disguise himself until the time was right. But I don't know... and since the Guardian is not truly counted as a Heartless, I say we merge it. And the Guardian is actually a part of Xehanort's Heartless...

Battle Quotes

• "Come."
• "Is that it?"
• "Kneel!"
• "You give up yet?"
• "Show me your power!"
• "Now witness true Power!"
• "Welcome Oblivion."
• "Here it comes!"
• "Behold the power of Darkness!"
• "Open your heart to Darkness!"

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 15:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC) Question to those who could answer. Why are these the only battle quotes on his page? These are technically Riku's... Shouldn't we instead use his quotes from End of the World? I understand he controlled Riku when he used these quotes, but we don't use the Dark Riku battle video on his page, so this doesn't make sense...

Well, let's see : the quotes from the actual Xehanort's Heartless I can think of are... "Come, guardian!" "Submit!!" "Come, open your heart." "Insolent." "What do you hope to accomplish?" "Do not deny." "My strength returns..." "The final darkness returns." Correct me if I'm wrong, and use these quotes where you see fit. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

About His Name

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? I'm just blue-skying here but I don't think Xehanort's Heartless is his correct name. Let's think about this for the first 2 games and most of the third it'd pretty much accurate that his name is Ansem, regardless of whether or not that was his original name. Let's think about it: Xigbar is really Braig's Nobody, DiZ is really Ansem the Wise's Disguise and Xemnas is really Xehanort's Nobody. Are any of them called that? No. Same basic concept.

Well, they had to call him Xehanort's Heartless to distinguish him from Ansem the Wise, didn't they ? Let's just leave it be. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Well I'm pretty sure me and most others can easily distinguish judging by what context we use it in (i.e. Ansem was the main villain in the first game) and also by adding "the Wise" to the end of the good Ansem's name.

Remember the Japanese-speakers. Ansem's name is in katakana. Kenja = the wise, is in kanji. If they were to make a remark about the "wise" Xehanort's Heartless, they'd end up using the same thing. And the same change was brought about in other versions. I personally have no problem with Sans-cœur de Xehanort (Xehanort's Heartless) rather than having to call him Ansem again... see ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 14:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Help!

It's me, Mar1. I tried to copy paste the old Guardian on this page, but it's all messed up! Somone please help!

Theres already a picture of the Guardian on here..What old Guardian photo are you talking about? Xion4ever Who am I? — 18:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, it's under control.

Why

Why the f**k does everyone keep the deleting the guardian section?!

Why?!

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. Mainly because there is absolutely no reason for the Guardian to have its own section, as most if not all of the attacks are made by the Guardian, wich will lead to it being mentioned numorous other times thoughout the article. Not to mention the fact that the "Xehanort's Heartless's Guardian" section was a short, puny group of sentences that had little information and didn't need its own section. That's why the f**k we keep deleteing it.

I just think the Guardian should get it's own page back.

KrytenKoro - Pinocchio with his nose attached to the trigger of a rifle, which points at his face as he says, "I want to live!" TALK - Because the edit was absolute trash. The story bit was completely redundant to the story covering when Riku took Xehanort's form. The "speculation" was not only completely ridiculous, but the links all pointed in the wrong directions. The edit ripped up a ref note. The rest of it is all battle strategy info, which is covered on the boss page. Finally, "Guardian" is not its name. "Guardian" is a Surveillance-type Heartless. The only thing we know about Ansem's guardian is that it always appears with him, even when it's actually Riku. Thus, there's no reason to believe it's not simply the Pureblood part of Xehanort's Heartless.

y'know,, you don't have to be dicks about it, guys.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! Hey! Watch your mouth! Don't speak to Kryten-sama like that!

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" OMG THAT WAS MEAN! ALL BECAUSE OF A STUPID SECTION! YEAH DON"T SPEAK LIKE THAT D:<

Kryten... Sama? Huh??

Hey, I just want to make this Wiki better!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! Well, there's no reason for you to say that about Kryten-sama! He's a good person!

Why are you calling people dicks when you started this argument with a random swear...?—Urutapu 23:51, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

I was just frusterated because everyone kept deleting the guardian area, after it took five minutes just TO FREAKIN' COPY-PASTE!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! Calm down. I get frusterated because of the edit conflicts, but you don't see me yelling at someone when that happens. And who's delating it? Kryten-sama?

Why do you keep adding on "Sama"? I digress. I just felt That Ansem's Guardian need some of his own recognition.

And I don't know who's deleting it.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! I add "Sama" to the end of Kryten-sama's name because I respect him highly for the work he have done here on the wiki. You don't know who delate it? Look at the History, then.

It was Kryten! And he said it was trash!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - No. Sora forgave me even when I deceived him. So, how could I destroy his heart? There's no way! I don't care what happens to me. I won't hurt Sora! I won't do it! That still doesn't give the right to call Kryten=sama the "D" word! He's a staff member! He knows what's best!

Firaga44 - Look at you you think you have it so damn hard!You hate being alone so let people in! TALK - Your ablity to mess with time-is coming to a end! yeah i agree!you can't just go around calling people that!

He may have been here longer than I have, but C'mon? Give a kid a break?!

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. @anon:Don't call anyone means names and solve thing civally. There are easier ways to solve problems without swearing, name-calling, and blaming. @NinjaSheik, Firaga, GB:The anon does not need to be bullied back in gang form. Kryten is a big boy and I'm sure he would have said something on his own if he felt it necessary.

Let's drop this shall we? We're just spamming up the wiki and bashing Mar. Mar (please sign with the sig button or use your talkbubble), your reaction was unnecessary and wrong. Let's live it at that; Yes, what Mar did was wrong, that section will be/is deleted, and Kryten was right. No wiki fights please! Xion4ever Who am I? — 00:18, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm sorry, I usually just ;ash out at others when they lash out at me. After a long day of being bullied at school, I just have a whole bunch of anger boiling inside me. It's just kind of hard to contain myself. Mar1 00:25, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Anybody? Mar 00:41, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!" TALK - If the anon is going to cuss, then I feel perfectly justified in being frank about the lousiness of the edit. I re-added as much information as could be salvaged - most of it was, as I explained, trash. The guardian does not need specifically separate coverage, as it is simply an extension of the rest of Xehanort's Heartless, as the article covers. I'm a staff member. Not a god. Please stop calling me "sama". If you're frustrated about your work being deleted, don't put it on a wiki, or at least, back it up. I have ten years of notes and fan-documents on my PC, and only a small fraction of them are ported to wikis. As the editing notice says "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here."

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. yeah those are the rules and i have to apoligize for the outburst by me

Shouldn't there be warnings for the spoilers? If someone new to the game read even some of the article, sure he's/she's confused and reads just more?

Just suggesting.

After a certain point, it becomes ridiculous to concede to spoiler warnings - for example, everyone knows how King Kong or the Sixth Sense ends, it would be strange for us to have spoiler warnings on articles like that.

Currently, only information on Days, Mobile, coded, and BBS has spoiler warnings, as they are new/have not been released.Glorious CHAOS! 17:02, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Xehanort is an Emblem Heartless

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 09:43, December 4, 2009 (UTC) When I got into one of my random KH-thinking moods, I developed a theory (not really a theory, per se, but...) as to what type of Heartless "Ansem" is (this would include the World of Chaos). How he would qualify as an Emblem Heartless is below : A Pureblood Heartless is strictly derrived from the heart when corroded by the dark. This would be a Shadow or other lesser Heartless. Ansem (as Xehanort) along with the other apprentices experimented on themselves so they'd lose their hearts on purpose to further their research. Since Emblem heartless are manufactured, and Xehanort and the apprentices made themselves into Heartless on purpose, it is safe to say that Xehanort's Heartless is close enough to Emblem. He even wears the Emblem on his chest and uses it as a shield in the World of Chaos (whether this is clothing or not is unknown, but it seems more likely that it IS a part of him) While Xehanort's Heartless could technically count as Pureblood as he is an entity of pure darkness, his creation wasn't "natural", same again w/ the Emblem Heartless. I suppose one could assume he was both in a way, as he is the Heartless Commander (w/ Maleficent right after) and the source of all Heartless to begin with (while this technically starts w/ Ansem the Wise), but it seems very unprofessional to put "Other" in his Heartless type. This also opens to arguement the Guardian, which could be Xehanort's "Pureblood" half, as it possesses no emblem, but I find it to be a mere embodiment of Ansem's darkness (basically an evil Reflega spell, meaning its a part of him and a power he has that he just controls). It is safer to say that the Guardian is NOT a Heartless (or else we'd encounter a lot more of them), and sense it could be Ansem's only tie to a Pureblood, that he is, when one thinks about it, truly an Emblem Heartless

I was thinking the other day that maybe he could be both pureblood and emblem. As he became obsessed with his research his heart began to become corrupt natruly, what if the exact momment when he would have turned into a pureblood heartless natruly, is the very same moment he turned on his macheine, this would mean that his heartless was made with "natrule, and artifical flavors." the gaurdian wich is only half compleat was the pureblood component but his body was the emblem--Foutlet 23:16, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Resemblance (Spoilers)

Correct me if I am way off, but I thought BBS implied the reason Xehanort's Heartless looked like basicly a younger Master Xehanort was because he is made up of Master Xehanort's heart. Of course, I am a bit confused, mostly by the secret ending, so that is why I decided to take it here first. Also, sorry for the spoilers.--Otherarrow 18:50, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

For the most part, yes. When Terra visits the Destiny Islands and briefly sees Master Xehanort's young form in Riku, it is supposed to be the implication.-Xabrin

the picture...

Falcon Mrk II - That secret stays with me. TALK - 02:10, January 16, 2010 (UTC) Um...shouldn't someone size down the infobox picture? I would, but I don't know how.

Name

Why does some article said his name is Ansem when he is known as Xehanort's Heartless. I mean when Sora said to Riku who had the form of Xehanort's Heartless Ansem but correct himself and says Xehanort's Heartless. --Cococrash11 01:40, January 23, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Appearance

I just noticed something that I think is worth noting. In the World of Chaos battle he doesn't just become shirtless, but he doubles in size and his eyes become completely orange. Go watch the first battles and the World of Chaos battle and you can see it is true. I just fought him again last night. That's how I could tell. Sora was barely the size of his torso. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} he being bigger is kinda obivious i don't know how it wasn't on the article but i didn't notice the eyes. Also his boots become part of his pant and his pant also change

I still think it's worth noting. He grows double the size at least. I don't see how that wouldn't be mentionable. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 18:27, February 4, 2010 (UTC) I agree that it should be in the article.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Change away.

You know Lapis that is sort of your specialty... Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? 'Kay, got it.

Did it better than I would've. :D Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

Moving the Article

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? I think moving this article to Ansem the Seeker of Darkness or Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) would be for the best. We use Xemnas's choosen name even though it is an amalgam of Ansem instead of Xehanort's Nobody so why not use the name that this heartless took for himself. He's known as Ansem for 2 1/2 games and the name of the article is a spoiler for those who haven't played KHII yet and have only played the first game. Any thoughts?

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" is the title he gave himself, just like "Ansem the Wise" is the title the original gave himself. I agree with such a move.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.04:52, March 20, 2010 (UTC) I like the idea but it can cause much confusion between Ansem the Wise and Ansem The Seeker of Darkness

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? True, it may cause confusion, however, it's pretty much the same thing as Jack Sparrow and Jack Skellington. They both have the same name but a different following name just like Ansem the wise and Ansem the Seeker of Darkness but we don't call Skellington The Pumpkin King to avoid confusion so I think that a move would be for the best.