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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike! | | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike! |
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| **If you guys are still looking for someone to do this, I'd be happy to help. {{User:RoxasNobody/sig}} | | **If you guys are still looking for someone to do this, I'd be happy to help. {{User:RoxasNobody/sig}} |
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| ''See [[Forum talk:Magazine and Podcast!]]'' | | ''See [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1#Magazine]]'' |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=Alright, it's June. According to the plan, now's the time to start writing up articles and making content so we should get going. There's still a few things we need to do for the template, however:
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| *Sort out the Coliseum. The meat of the article -the Station of Awakening- is mostly ready; the only tweak to be made is spacing out the talk bubbles. The main thing to decide is whether we prefer the banner or "coming soon" images.
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| *Add the "Game Tutorial" section for the Dive to the Heart.
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| *Remodel the entire Round Room page so that it includes areas for a description paragraph, agenda/summary points, the .ogg file and link to the YouTube version if we get that going.
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| *For the Mark of Mastery Exam, should we make the "Top 5" and "Review" boxes side by side to add some more [http://i.imgur.com/7L0KXAE.png verticality]. Also, will we use the talk bubble idea for the interview?
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| In terms of content, we've already written a few articles but have the majority left. The hardest things to make is the images (cover and Namine's Sketchbook).}}
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| {{MEX|time=19:54, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=Hey guys, thank you very much for the Nomination, really. It's my birthday present :) Well, my vacation probably starts next week, so I will have some freetime during the nights. I would like to write the Game Tutorial, if possible, something related to KH2 or KH3D. I think hte vertical layout for the Mark of Mastery exam page fits better. The news page will probably contain hte announcements of E3, so we don't have to worry about it. Using the talk bubble for the Interview looks awesome, they look pretty good on the Magazine pages they were already implemented. Will make some adjusts to the Magazine NOW.}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=00:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, some final points we should take care of before the final publication.
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| *'''Location''': We need to determine where exactly the magazine will be hosted, as in the page. It's fine if it's on both sites, that's not my question. It's the page where it will ultimately belong. Since I don't think we plan on leaving it on MateusinhoEX's namespace.
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| *'''Articles''': These are basically the articles that still need a loving and caring writer. Maybe we should assign them, this being the first issue? Just a thought
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| #The Coliseum (Page 6)
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| #The Keyblade Master (Page 7)
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| #Dive to the Heart (Page 8) (I believe FM made a tutorial already, though I'm not sure.)
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| #The Mark of Master Exam (Page 10) (Especially/specifically the interview)
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| #Naminé's Sketchbook (Page 11) (Should we just use official art this time around like FinalRest did in the test? Since it's the first issue. Just a suggestion.)
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| #The Grid (Page 12) (Especially/specifically the riddles, since they're not done. Also, should there be some reward or mention of the answer to the previous riddles/puzzles in the next issue?)
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| *'''The Coliseum''': This has two parts.
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| **'''The Arenas''': How are we going to ultimately handle the sections for the Mirage Arena and the Underdrome? Should we highlight recent battles? Should we use a "Coming soon" section? If we reduce the mention of the Mirage Arena and Underdrome, then the discussion known as the Station of Awakening would have to lose its name, because it'd be a big enough part of the Coliseum that it just wouldn't make sense to give the section a separate name. I think we should have a "Coming Soon" section to highlight upcoming battles in the two arenas, but not a summary, because it no longer seems relevant since it's announcing the battles "after the fact" (AKA: Too late). Maybe, what we could do is move the currently-named (in case we drop the name) Station of Awakening to the top and move the links to the arenas to the bottom, since I still think it needs more than a simple banner. It's just that a summary of recent battles seems so...useless to me, in one sense.
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| **'''Station of Awakening''': For the Station of Awakening, how would that be handled? Do we just have a random discussion between two users, just because? Because that seems to be unnecessary, and will ultimately be ignored. I know that the one in the test is that way to represent a test, but we should probably establish some way this should be carried out. Rather, I think we should have a battle structure, where the two users (in this case, FR and Chain) submit their reasons for why their side is better/correct as one statement, then they submit rebuttals to their opponents' arguments. So it'd be (for example): FR's why defense bonus doesn't suck, then Chain's why strength bonus doesn't suck, then FR's rebuttal/counterargument as why defense bonus doesn't suck and why Chain is wrong, and then Chain's rebuttal/counterargument as why strength bonus doesn't suck and why FR is wrong. And maybe we could have a vote or something at the end, somewhat like in the Mirage Arena.
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| *'''Ansem's Report''': This could probably be settled afterwards, but are we going to ultimately hand this over to the people from Kingdom Hearts Insider? Or should this stay something among us? I know that we will ultimately have to write this ourselves this time around, since we still don't have an affiliation anyways. Still, something to keep in mind.
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| We're down to half-a-month 'till July! Really excited to finally publish this!}}
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| {{FinalRest|time=05:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|happy2=Okay, first I'll give my answers to some of the above. :)
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| *'''Location''': I think we could put it in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki: namespace (I'm not sure if it's called that here or not...). Then I think for promotion, we should put links in the sitenotice's and sections on the mainpage.
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| *'''The Arenas''': I comment on this below, but I'll add some more input. From my point of view, the previous battles are for click baiting. The end game for this magazine is to generate new user interest in the wiki, right? So I think those links are good because they (hopefully) get people to go "Wow, Mirage Arena went up against Blank Points? That's a random battle, what else have they done over there?" and that (hopefully) leads to clicking on the arena, which (hopefully) leads to voting. The coming soon section is for the same reason. Instead of giving it all away, the idea is that readers go "Traverse Town, Leon and Gepetto are going to be in fights soon? Surely they won't be fighting each other? Who ''are'' they going to fight? I'll go take a look..." That's my thinking behind it, and if we decide to switch to a banner, I still strongly believe we need something to encourage that sort of thinking. Cause if we just stick a banner there, then it's just like "Oh, there's a link to the voting arenas. Welp, I don't vote there, so I won't click on it." I know these are all hypothetical situations, but I think we need to do everything we can to generate the interest in the sections which have our biggest (arguably) user participation.
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| *'''Station of Awakening''': Haha, I suppose I should've been a bit more serious with my test. :P Yep, the Station of Awakening will happen exactly as you describe. It's a debate, basically. The two users argue for what they think is better, and it's left to the readers to decide who has the better argument. As for moving it up the page, I did think about that, but I think I left it because I thought we should get the arena stuff out of the way first, and have the SoA as a little pop of interest at the end. But if more want the SoA to be moved up, I have no problem with doing so. ^_^
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| *'''Ansem's Report''': Yep, if KHInsider can do it, then why not?
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| Okay, now my own additions.
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| *'''Comments''': Are we going to leave a place for readers to comment? I think the hosting page should be protected from edits, but the talk pages should be left open for readers to comment on. A place where they can talk about the things in the articles and stuff.
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| *'''Editors in Chief''': I know this is listed in the sign up section, but it has no volunteers yet, when I think it's one of the most crucial jobs we need at the moment. I think two editors would be good. This is what the editors in chief would do:
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| #Serve as the wrangler for all the different volunteers, keeping track of who's doing what and if they're on track.
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| #Making sure each section has an assigned editor and, if volunteers have proven hard to find, completing the unassigned sections themselves.
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| #In charge of the magazine mailbox. Speaking of which, do we have an official mailbox yet? I've noticed people have started using the test mag as a proper place to stick their work, which isn't good, because then there's no mystery for when the whole thing is done! We need an email so people can send their completed work there and the chiefs can keep it private until release. Also, I need to know what the email is so I can add it into the code where necessary.
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| #Implementing everyone's work into the template and readying it for release.
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| #Sweeping the completed magazine for grammar errors.
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| #Selecting for the sections where selection is necessary. Eg: Choosing the mailbox question, the guess the beast etc.
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| #Contacting those whose work was featured in the magazine when it is released: the artists, newbie editors mentioned on the first page. They pretty much have to do talk page magazine promotion. :D
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| #Altering the codes so they work properly on both the Keyhole on the KHWiki.
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| #Writing the contents page.
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| #Prettying up the format of everyone's articles. This includes adding images to spice up wall's-o-text.
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| #Writing the Round Room summary.
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| #Sorting through the answers to our puzzles/to do lists and awarding medals/including mentions as necessary.
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| #General bad-assery.
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| I really think an editor is what we need right now to pull together all the strings we have woven so far. So, anyone want the job?}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON='''Location''': I think [[KHWiki:Magazine]] is a good place to put it. The section "The Plan" could probably be moved to the Journalist Spot. What do you guys think? Or is there a better name?
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| '''The Arenas''': Of course, it's all to convince readers to go to the Mirage Arena and Underdrome. However, I feel that it might drain out the Station of Awakening, which is why I suggested to move it to the top. IF we could somehow make the sections for Coming Soon and Recently (which, I guess makes sense to have), then I think it would look better, without totally depriving the Mirage Arena and Underdrome of much-needed attention. Because, I don't think a banner is suffice.
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| '''Comments''': I think it's a good idea to have comments on the talk page. And we can archive them. Or something like that.
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| '''Editor in Chief''': I feel that, since it's a joint project with the Keyhole, that it should be one person from each site. That's my thoughts on that. It seems that the Editor in Chiefs have a lot of work, and some of it might not necessarily belong to them. Perhaps in some of the duties you highlighted, they should instead be in charge of making sure the work is done (for example, the Editors in Chief shouldn't ''have'' to alter codes or write the Round Room summary, but rather make sure that who ever knows how to has done it). All-in-all, though, the Editors-in-Chief seem like pretty important and needed people to get the magazine finalized. As far as the mailbox goes, it seems we're in a little snag at the moment, but we have an alternative until we determine if we need to make a new one or not.
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|persuade=Replies, remarks and rebuttals!:
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| *'''Location''': I already made [[KHWiki:Magazine|this]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|this]] for the KHWiki and the template page will be made later. We should probably transfer the template to the Keyhole a week before release in case there's any new issues or bugs that need fixing.
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| *'''The Arenas''': My mindset is that the Station of Awakening is enough motivation to visit the arenas. In my mind, a reader will look at the Station of Awakening and think "this discussion is pretty interesting, I want to go see more stuff like this" so then we'll invite them to the arenas in the form of the banner. The rest seems kinda superficial to me and they detract from the overall neatness and quality of the page. I do think the banner should include the titles "Mirage Arena" and "The Underdrome", though, and we should have a sentence below saying something like "For more heated debate, visit our two tournament arenas...".
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| *'''Station of Awakening''': This should be moved up and then the title "Station of Awakening" should be removed so it's actually merged with "The Coliseum" since that's the page name. There's no need to have a separate name when there's no other sections to the page.
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| *'''Comments''': If we do this, we need to agree on a few things. Should it require registered users (I think "yes")? Should it require a certain number of edits (I think "no")? Is it a problem if the comments will be split with two separate comment pages on the two different Wikis.
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| *'''Editors in Chief''': Honestly, I think we no longer require a designated "Editor in Chief" and I know that I'm the one who first created that job title. From what I've seen, it's more effective (and heartening) to use discussion and cooperation to solve issues rather than a single person calling the shots. Here's how we can solve each job requirement:
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| #Using the "Journalist Spot", people submit their work and other people feedback and comment on it so there's no need to have a single, one person checking on it. Another part to the Journalist Spot is people offer ideas so if someone isn't "on track", they can get inspiration from the ideas or anyone can help them out.
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| #If there is an unassigned section, it's up to the entire community to figure out a way to solve the problem. It's no good laying down that heavy responsibility to a single person.
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| #Firstly, the email has been retrieved! The address is "KingdomHeartsWikiBcrat@gmail.com" and any admin (KHWiki or the Keyhole) can get the password off [[User:Erry|Erry]]. Secondly, I don't think it's necessary that everyone sends their work to be checked via email in a secretive, hidden manner. I believe it's important that the drafts are reviewed by the rest of the community so there's a variety of feedback, which will most likely be far more constructive. I don't think the average spectator goes around looking at peoples's userspace so it doesn't detract from the publicity we get from the final product. And besides, the magazine alone can bag us some new readers, visitors and editors, but the Journalist Spot -the magazine writing- is a reason for the new editors to stay, some of which may potentially stick around long enough to become long-term regulars, which is the important thing. Speaking of which, like how we have for the Trinity Archives, MA and Featured Content, should we have a total mainspace edit requirement for the Journalist Spot? Hopefully, that'd offer some motivation for new editors to actually get involved in wiki work first.
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| #Readying the issue for release '''is''' something that can't be done communally. But that wouldn't be for an "Editor in Chief"; it more fits the job description of a "Publisher". Even still, the publisher can change each issue and would just be a matter of someone capable saying "Yeah, I'll do this quarter's issue" a few days before release.
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| #Proof-reading is included when people review submitted works at the Journalist Spot.
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| #Selection can be done by discussing and voting at the Journalist Spot.
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| #Anyone can do talk page promotion. It'd just be the quickest who does it first. :P
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| #Coding issues can be solved by asking anyone who knows how to fix the problem.
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| #The contents page can be written by the Publisher too, I guess.
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| #On the journalist spot, people will feedback and tell people whether they should add more images or how they should add more images.
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| #The Round Room summary is a job best suited for the podcast team since they're the most knowledgeable on the subject.
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| #It's up to the admins who have access to the email account to look at the answers and sort out the awards and medals.
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| #Everyone has ''some'' badass inside them! :P
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| {{FinalRest|time=16:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|normal3='''Location''': On the Keyhole I can open up a page named the same thing. I think the Wiki:Magazine page should serve as a directory to all our issues, while subpages should be used to host the issues individually (eg. Wiki: Magazine/Issue 1, Quarter 3).
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| '''The Arenas''': For me the point of the debate was to give readers a reason to actually get interested in that page. They scroll down to see the debate, but to do so they have to get through the adverts for the arenas first. Sort of like subliminal messaging. :P What if we put a seperate banner for each arena, then smush the recently + coming soon sections together. What I'm thinking of is the UD box will have the link banner and underneath it we write something like "Check out the Underdrom for exciting battles like..." and then we link to recent battles. Then we get both of the effects I'm looking for: "Oh, those are interesting battles, I wonder what they were like" *Goes to archives* "And there are going to be more battles like those? I better check it out!" *Goes to UD*
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| '''Comments''': Hmmm, that's a good point about the comments being separated... Is there any way to join them? And the registered users thing is a khwiki issue only, cause the Keyhole can't have anons anymore. >_> And I also don't think an edit count should be necessary, cause it seems pointless to exclude people from commenting when the point of the magazine is to encourage community involvement. :P
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| '''Editor in Chief''': Okay.... I don't think there's a polite way to say I completely disagree with not needing an editor. :S Yep, the EiC job is a lot of work, but that's the point. If whoever does the job is good at it, they'll be able to not only make sure all our volunteers get their stuff done, but that we also have enough volunteers to do all the work.
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| As for using the Journalist Spot to hold all the work... I just don't like that idea. I'm not saying discussion amongst peers is bad, but I think having all our work on display defeats the purpose, because there is no surprises left when the issue is done. And yeah, average users will not be seeing all the work, but vet editors probably will, and they need a reason to look at the finished magazine too. Even fellow volunteers need a reason to look at the finished product. See, our pool of volunteers is made up of some (but not all) of both our wiki's most dedicated editors. If they've already poured over everything in the magazine before publishing, then by the time the issue is out, they've already shared their opinions for the content. What I want to happen is that when the issue is published that is the only time editors will be able to form opinions on what's inside. If they've read, for instance, the Keyblade Master page while it was being edited, then they don't have a reason to see it in published form. But if they go to read the KM article they've never seen before, then they'll have opinions formed right then and there, and they'll hop over to the comments to share them, and then they'll strike up a conversation, which grabs the attention of other, less regular editors, and it gets more interest from there.
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| Now, as I said, I'm not against peers reviewing each other's work. I think we should still have a place like the Journalist Spot, where we can share what topics we're working on, as well as ask for help, or opinions etc. I didn't mean for the EiC to be the head honcho of everything, but more the person who handles the cohesion of the magazine by bringing everything into the template in a nice and tidy way. I also think having someone look over all the grammar (even if it's not the EiC) will encourage users who aren't wordsmiths to give volunteering a go.
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| For unassigned sections, I meant the EiC should be the fallback if no one is available. If we've got a month before publishing and no one is volunteering to do the Top 5 list, then the EiC needs to go around and personally pitch the job to people they know would be good at it. But, if there's a week before publication and no one has written a top 5, then the EiC will pick up the slack.
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| "I don't think it's necessary that everyone sends their work to be checked via email in a secretive, hidden manner." This isn't what I meant... I am terrible at explaining myself. :P What I mean is that when someone's section is done (after they've written it, and asked for second opinions etc) they send it to the EiC who's job it is to check for simple grammar stuff, stick it in the template and move the formatting around if it needs to be set up in a prettier fashion. It's sort of like if you write a book, you edit it and then send it to test readers. Then you make edits based on the feedback and send it to new readers. You make more edits, then send it to a professional editor and/or agent for the last round of feedback. By the time you send it to publishing, it's perfect and while the testers have the general idea of the book, they still check out the published version because it's an improved version with edits that make what they saw that much better. The other volunteers will be the test readers in this situation, while the EiC will be the agent/professional editor.
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| And I much prefer an email for finished work because I feel like that's a neutral area where all our volunteers' ideas can congregate. If we're going to set up all our articles in the journal spot, honestly, it's going to be harder to get Keyhole users to get involved because they prefer to work on the Keyhole. If we moved the journal spot to the Keyhole, KHWiki users who prefer to work here wouldn't come over. I feel like sending ideas to an email shared by both our communities means that volunteers can make their articles wherever they please, and then send it to the email for more opinions. If you wanted, we could also set up a sort of critique circle so if someone sends in their piece for review, we send it to another volunteer to check over. Then volunteers have seen some articles, but not all and they also have a way of communicating with other users for help/opinions.
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| Oh, publisher is probably what I meant. :P
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| So yeah, that's my opinion on it, but I will admit wanting these things has a lot to do with how I work on projects. I'm very... analytical in my processes. Like:
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| #Finish the template
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| #Ask for help with things I can't do on the template
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| #Work on the title logos
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| #Ask for opinions on the logos
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| #Once all the above is sorted, taken on whatever jobs are left. XD
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| So, keeping in that in mind, if I am outvoted in whether we need a EiC or not, I will bow my head in understanding. I would just feel more comfortable knowing there was someone there to pull everything together at the end. :)
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| '''Edit Count:''' Hmmm, I'm not really a fan of edit requirements... If we did want restrictions I would prefer them to be more lax, like overall total of edits, or time you've been a member of either wiki. If we were gonna do mainspace, I would like it to be low, because, frankly speaking, with the active editors our community has right now, I don't think we can turn our noses up at anyone willing to help. :D But again, that's just me, so feel free to outvote me. ^_^
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| '''Final Notes:''' If you are reading this right now and your name is not TheFifteenthMember, KeybladeSpyMaster or FinalRest, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS! There's too much decision making here for us poor three. ;P}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|default=For the arena, are you suggesting it should be laid out like [http://i.imgur.com/C1rnywp.png this]? If so, then I'm happy with it.
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| With the EiC, it seems we have opposite views so I'll defend my points and then we should take a vote to find out which is the preferred method (and that means more people will need to voice their opinion!).
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| Firstly, even if veteran editors won't have any surprises left, they'd still be interested in seeing how all the different parts come together. I, for one, am excited to see the final product even though I've read some other people's drafts and work. Also, the veteran editors may not strike up much activity on the comments page but they'll be pretty active during the production period and that can also grab the attention of less regular editors and interest them to get involved. When we revived the magazine for MegaProject: Arise, I envisioned the community aspect to be more focused on working together to write the thing rather than discussing and commenting on the outcome. But even still, the comments section won't be left barren: when a less regular editor reads the magazine, has a reaction and writes a comment about it, the veteran editors can respond to it and create a conversation (e.g. "That's what I thought too!" or "Actually, I disagree as I prefer..."). The vet editors may have discussed their thoughts during production time, but they can still talk about their opinions later on too!
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| :''"when someone's section is done (after they've written it, and '''asked for second opinions''' etc)"''
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| I'm slightly confused by this. The journalist spot is meant to be a place where people go to get feedback on their work. If you want a writer to ask other people their opinions before sending it off for email, are you saying that you actually do agree with the Journalist Spot?
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| :''"The other volunteers will be the test readers in this situation, while the EiC will be the agent/professional editor."''
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| Hmm, that's an ineffective metaphor. Though the EiC will surely be a capable person, I doubt the EiC will be at a skill level significantly higher than the rest. What I think will actually happen is the writer gets feedback from someone on the Wiki (the "test reader"). The feedback includes a very detailed, constructive response and the written piece changes dramatically. The writer does the same to two more test readers (since the process FR mentioned usually happens three times). By this time, the written piece is essentially perfect. Finally, the writer sends his piece to the EiC but the piece has already been improved upon so many times that there's nothing for the EiC to change (if he's lucky, he'll find a spelling error or grammar mistake to fix). That spelling correction is hardly a significant enough improvement for the testers to still check out the final product.
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| The fact that the Journalist Spot is split between the two Wikis doesn't cause '''too''' much disruption. The editors can make his drafts on whichever Wiki he prefers; he'd only need to go to the Journalist Spot to link to his draft and prepare for feedback. That's not too much trouble is it? I'm sure that if someone seriously wants to get involved, he wouldn't mind making that tiny effort. Besides, the host for the Journalist Spot can alternate each quarter to keep things fair. If anything, I think this strengthens the sister-wiki relationship between KHWiki and the Keyhole and gives editors a chance to meet people from the other Wiki.}}
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| *'''Location''': I guess we could do what FR said and have [[KHWiki:Magazine]] as the main page that directs to the actual issues ([[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1]], [[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 2]], etc.)
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| *'''Coliseum''': I'm not sure I understand what you guys have planned here. Here's what I think: We should do what FR said and leave the Mirage Arena/Underdrome at the top. This "Arena Section" will be split in two and be designed, I guess that way FM illustrated it, with a banner and coming soon part below. It shouldn't be too long; we don't want to drown out the Station of Awakening. That way, the focus is still on the Station of Awakening (the big dish), while we still let them enjoy and get the feelings FR is after with the Arena Section (the appetizers). I'm sorry, I'm really hungry right now....
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| *'''Comments''': Is this really a problem, to have them on separate locations? I don't think it'd be such a bad thing to have to go to both sites to read some reviews, a majority of which will probably be "Great job, guys, this looks great!" Is it really too bad to just look on both sites and find the feedback/suggestions we want to find?
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| *'''Edit Count''': Really, an edit count to comment? That seems...a little extreme, don't you think? As for getting involved, definitely an edit requirement, but in combination with general involvement. I think a good number is 75-125 edits. By general involvement, it would mean "Hey, so maybe you don't have all the games, or more than one, but you seem interested by your contributions in getting involved, so we'll let you help us out." For example, I make very few mainspace edits, because I'm down to just one game, really, and I definitely don't make very many image contributions, and that's all reflected in my [[Special:EditCount/KeybladeSpyMaster|<font color=#FFFFFF>edit count</font>]]. But what I do do is get involved in the projects, and in some wiki-related business that, I hope, is for the betterment of the site. And that, too, is reflected in my edit count, since the majority of my edits are on user talk pages, forums, and my own userspace. So I think we should let people who are actively involved in something, whether its in some [[Forum:MegaProject: Arise - Main Page Revamp|<font color=#FFFFFF>slow and dying community project</font>]] or [[Special:EditCount/TheFifteenthMember|<font color=#FFFFFF>in insane and flat-out awesome amount of Mainspace edits</font>]], if you're actively involved on the wiki elsewhere, you should be able to come on board and get involved with the Magazine. That's just my thoughts, though.
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| *'''Editor-in-Chief''': Wow, this has the most attention than the actual magazine. Here's my thoughts. I feel there should be one or two people that should be in charge of the magazine. There should be a person where, if something goes wrong, or doesn't make sense, we can go to that person. That doesn't mean that person should be able to solve all our problems. Again, I go to the coding example: If there is a need to change the code, the editor in chief shouldn't have the responsibility of changing it, but rather be sure that whoever has signed up as Coders get the message that the code needs changing. While the community as a whole can no-doubt finish the magazine, sometimes we need someone in charge to lead us through it, who can push us to finish it. Such a person could probably be useful now to push us to actually write all these articles. Again, that doesn't mean he/she should do it all himself if we're down to a week, but rather delegate the work so that he/she does some work, and still get others to do it. I guess I'm a little split between you two: I feel that FR's vision of an EiC is a little overwhelming for whoever takes the job. Like FM has explained, the Magazine is a ''community'' project; the editors involved will ultimately see parts of the magazine before the publication. That isn't necessarily bad; like FM, I'm pretty excited to see this come together, and I've seen the magazine coming together for the last two months. '''But''', that doesn't mean I don't see the need in an EiC, someone to push us, to get us together and organized, someone that the other editors can go to if they can't figure out their problems themselves, and someone who can call us all together if needed to finish the magazine.
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| Again, I'm really excited to finally finish this thing! I join FinalRest in calling everyone else to come over and share their opinions on the magazine.
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| '''EDIT''': In my opinion, the Journalist Spot could be re-worked a bit to be a little....more organized. I'm still trying to figure out how I would imagine it should be, but all I know is that it needs a little work to serve as the hub for the magazine editors. But, as FM has noted, I don't think it should be a problem for either site to go to the other site to work on the magazine. In the quest for more activity, I'd think the Journalist Spot (and, personally, the magazine and/or podcast) belong on the Keyhole to get activity there (which, from what I can tell, is narrowing in on zero right now). But for the Keyhole editors to come here, or the KHWiki editors to go there, for that to be a problem, I don't think it is.}}
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| {{FinalRest|time=04:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|normal4='''Coliseum''': Close, FM, but like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Untitled-1copy_zps20981d8e.png this]. Is that okay?
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| '''Editor-in-Chief''': Okay, I feel like my idea of an EiC was a little too overwhelming of a job. :P My general idea was exactly what you explained KSM, and you explained it much better than me. I am a rambler and I constantly get lost in my thoughts and end up running over my over suggestions. XD Anyway, these are the three things I want for the EiC:
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| #First and foremost, as KSM said, to have someone to wrangle us all together. Someone to make sure work is being done and we'll be ready when release day comes.
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| #To monitor the emails, which includes checking the to do list submitters and receiving the finished articles (I go into more detail on my idea for this below).
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| #Sticking everything on the template and bringing it all together!
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| '''Journal Spot:''' I like the idea of the Journalist Spot as a place to grow ideas. For example, how you are discussing the Keyblade Master page with ENX right now is exactly how I'd like it to be used. He's pitching, getting feedback, asking for help with crafting the ideas into an article etc. Now if ENX goes and starts writing drafts, and asking for opinions, that is also fine with me. What I wouldn't like is if he wrote the whole page up, then asked for opinions and kept repeating that process until there was a 100% finished draft floating around on the journal spot. I would prefer him to ask for help as he likes on the journal spot but when he thinks he is done, he forwards it to the editor who can give the final stamp of approval.
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| *Let's say I'm doing the Top 5. I'm unsure about ideas.
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| *I go to the journal spot and say I want to do the Top 5. I pitch a couple ideas and ask what people think would be the best one.
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| *Thanks to other input, I now have a theme for my top 5: Favorite Villains. I get to writing, and choose Xemnas, Pete, Maleficent and Gantu (pulling those names out of nowhere. :P). I write what I like about Xemnas, easy peasy. He's my number one. I write Maleficent's section but I'm not sure if I should place her higher on the list than Pete, because I like them both equally.
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| *Return to the journal spot! I ask for opinions on Maleficent VS Pete. The response says Maleficent is more interesting, so I make her my number two and add a line to her entry about some of the community input I got. Pete becomes my number three and the feedback I got helps me write his entry. I ask for opinions on Gantu and the thoughts from the journal spot users helps me write his entry. He is my number four. I'm still stuck for a fifth, so, again, I turn to the other volunteers. I ask for everyone's top villain and from there I am able to choose a fifth. I also add in a summary paragraph to include some of the awesome feedback I got.
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| *My list is written, I love my choices and my opinions, but I am still unsure weather the writing is strong.
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| *I send the list to the editor and tell them I was wondering if the sentences worked well together.
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| *The editor responds, saying everything is great and I can now rest well because the Top 5 list is complete and has been inserted into the template.
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| *ALTERNATE VERSION: The editor responds and says some of the sentences were a bit hard to understand. They point out which ones, I fix them (either with the help of the editor or the journal spot), resubmit and my section is done!
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| See, in that scenario they're still helped by the other volunteers, but without revealing all their cards. The volunteers see their ideas forming, but still have a reason to look at the finished list, because it's interesting to see what advice the writer took from the discussions they were a part in. Plus they'll be surprised to Xemnas as number one because that was never discussed, and they thought Maleficent was going to be one. See what I'm going for?
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| "The host for the Journalist Spot can alternate each quarter to keep things fair." Love that idea, that solves any worries I had. :)
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| As for layout, what if we made it more of a discussion page? How about the top of the page lists all the pages, with the names of the people who are working on them underneath? Then people can add new topics as they want to ask for help. Eg. If I'm working on Top 5, I start a section called Top 5 where I put all my discussion.
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| '''Comments''': Nah, it isn't a problem I just thought it would've been cooler to join them somehow. So yes to comments!
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| '''Edit Count''': Yeah, my thoughts on the edit count was in mind of people like you, KSM. We also have some new users on the Keyhole that are enthusiastic but haven't worked up the courage to make big edits yet, and I wouldn't like to exclude them from contributing. So I have the same feelings; yes to an edit count, but include all types of edits.}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=
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| *'''Coliseum:''' I agree to that format as long as '''a)''' the banner and coming soon sections are kept brief and '''b)''' we use a simple colour scheme (at the moment, there are way too many colours on the page so they all confuse each other; it's best to just stick to a couple of colours and then add neutrals if need be).
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| *'''EICL:''' Okay, I'll accept this idea now. How will we choose the Editor in Chief then (bearing in mind that they have to be an admin as only admins have access to the email account)?
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| *'''Journalist Spot:''' If you wanna change the layout, go ahead. When I made the page, it was only an experimental attempt to be honest.
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| *'''Keyblade Master''': Something new! I'm thinking that we may have to alter the page. Instead of it being a single article, I'm thinking that it may grow into a multitude of different editor's columns. For example, ENX has his mini-series going on over a process of many issues but that'll be just for his column; another editor can use a separate column to write whatever is on his mind. Hopefully, the Keyblade Master will be much richer and more magazine-esque that way. However, there's a few issues that we need to address:
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| #Firstly, should we include columns?
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| #How many columns maximum should we include?
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| #How thick will each column be? Should we make different sized columns and users choose which one suits them (one columm could be 40% width, and two 30% for example <small>-I know that doesn't add up to 100% btw :P-</small>)
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| #Since we only have two writers that have volunteered so far, perhaps we should just have two parts: a column for ENX's game ideas and an article for MEX's theories.}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok
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| *'''Coliseum''': I agree with FM that the Arena sections should be brief, but full. They should be a simple banner, but they probably shouldn't take much more than the height of one of the current sections on the page now.
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| *'''EiC:''' Um, does it have to be an administrator? That may be a little hard on the whole "Share with the Keyhole"-thing. Maybe we should just determine who it is, and give that person(s) the password. It should be a rather frequent editor on the magazine AND the wiki (not just any random Joe that shows up to work on the magazine).
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| *'''Journalist Spot''': I'll get on that. I'm thinking of splitting up the sign-up from the discussion areas. I might just discuss that on the talk page when I get more ideas, though.
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| *'''Keyblade Master''': First, I think the name is now The Keyblade Masters. Second, I reject the entire columns idea. Rather, we should have horizontal (wide) sections, if at all, split them in two columns. Why? It's much easier to add another section to the end of the page on the template than to adjust the widths of the sections if they're columns. Plus, that way, if we get more editors to the page, we don't totally disrupt past issues with additional sections. Example: say we only have two people this issue, and four next. It's easier to simply add another section next issue to the bottom of the page, which leaves only a blank (and thus thin) section on the previous issue, then to add a column to the next issue, because it forces a specific-width column to the previous issue. I hope I made myself clear regarding this, and didn't totally confuse you.
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|default='''EiC:''' That's not a problem with the Keyhole; their admins are included in the email. Really though, who wants to volunteer to be the first EiC? We only had not 12 days left before release!
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| *'''Keyblade Master''': If your idea is better aesthetically, then sure. Go for it. But like I said before, if it's just because of the worry with the template, don't bother about it. We should prioritise the quality of the current issue. If we need to change the template in the future, we can archive a template so the old issues still work and then make a new template for the next issue.}}
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| *I'll step up to the position of EiC, since we need to get stuff done. But I would like a Co-EiC from KHWiki if possible. If I were to do the mailbag, I'd need the password to the account if someone knows it. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=Ten days to go...
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| I have no qualms about CoF being the first EiC (ask Erry for the password). I'm not sure how successful it would be to have a co-EiC as it sounds that having two would make the entire process somewhat longer and harder, since decision making will be somewhat subdued (I can imagine countless "Can we meet on the IRC?"). Maybe we can have a "Deputy in Chief" from our Wiki who only gets involved if the Editor in Chief is going through some difficulties and then requests the deputy's assistance. That way, even the EiC will have a lean-back guy. If no one else signs up for the post, I could be deputy chief for the first issue. Also about the password being given to the EiC, Erry said he could tweak the rules to allow editor in chiefs access.
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| Here's a few logistical problems I can see the email having:
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| *Editors will email the contents of their articles to the EiC but I'm not sure how intact the coding will remain (say if the editor adds some images).
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| *The Station of Awakening (or the Coliseum/Games/whatever we're calling it) and interview will be impossible to send as an email since it requires the joint effort of two people. It seems the best way to do this is doing the conversation over the IRC (probably in PM) and then one of the two editors writes the conversation up in formal prose and then sends it as an email.
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| {{FinalRest|time=11:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)|normal5='''Coliseum:''' How does it look now? We're finally able to incorporate Erry's banner! :) Do the font colors look okay? Regarding the colors, I removed the blue, is that better? Or do you want to simplify it more?
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| '''Rounds Room:''' I fixed the audio/video coding. Are the colors for the audio box alright? Also, anybody wanna figure out how to center the vertical alignment of the audio file, but not the audio title? Finally, the text is passable, but do you think it would be better if I made titles for the Audio and Video titles?
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| '''EiC:''' I'm in support of Chain, and I think you'll be a good co-EiC (or deputy if that's the title you wanna take. :D) FM! Should we be sending our articles to the email now, then?
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| '''Keyblade Master:''' The Keyblade Master page is like an article that you find in real life magazines, so why would we split it to include multiple topics? I would much prefer it to be all on one topic, free to be split under different headings as the current editor wishes. If we have more than one editor with an idea, can't we queue them up? Post one in the current issue, save the other person for the next issue?
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| But, because ENX's ideas are taking on a life of their own, I think we might have another opportunity coming to us regarding the KM page. What if we keep the KM page as a place for guest articles about the KH world (stuff like Riku 101 or costume break downs etc) and then we make a new page for fan theories, which ENX can use for as long as it takes to write up all his theories? The pros of doing this is that we have more content to feature and if someone else has a wicked idea for the KM page, it won't require putting ENX on hold for another issue. The cons are that it'll require getting one more contributor for each issue (whereas not adding a new page means that the KM has a definite editor in ENX for the next few issues) and our page numbers will be up to 14 and ruin our org 13 number... although we could just make this new page our Xion. :P Thoughts?
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| '''Email:''' The editor should be able to spruce up the pages without ruining the coding. If they add in something that ruins how things look... well, that's bad editor-ing. What you suggested about the SoA and interview are how I'd always expected it to happen. :)
| | If we only have one piece for the KM, it's not a bad thing; it means we can go with FR's plan. Also, has the template been copied onto the Keyhole yet? Is the Keyhole advertising the magazine?}} |
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| | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=There currently is no mention of the magazine on the Keyhole. If you guys need help over there, just tell us. I, for one, am ready to help.}} |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=I'm liking the Coliseum! The only thing I would change is the name (Station of Awakening -> The Games) although I'm aware that the name change would require a new title image so I'm okay if it's too much trouble. With the Round Room, I wouldn't say it's a must to have title images. By the way, "The Light Cycle" for the Grid doesn't have a title image yet. Also, amazing job with the title images, FR :P
| | I got the Keyhole handled. I'll advertise when the issue is actually out. I still need to know what images can be uploaded here. Oh, and we might wanna archive this page. :P {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 04:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC) |
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| If CoF has the email password, then we can start sending our work!
| | Thanks for updating the template, KSM. I just noticed I updated the wrong place as you made the edit. >_> I have made a [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Flick_Rush_Medal task medal] on the Keyhole, if someone wants to copy the coding over here. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC) |
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| {{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|normal=I don't have the password yet, but feel free to start sending your stuff. Be sure to put something in the subject box indicating it's for the magazine/me. I don't want to go through the b-crat's stuff. | | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Well, I'll still copy the template over. Just in case.}} |
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|angry=Okay, CoF. I'll be sure to send my stuff. Time for a left to do list (content-wise)!: | | {{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 08:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)|roxas=We did it guys! Now we wait for the next season.}} |
| *Ansem Reports (an updated one)
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| *Station of Awakening debate (I proposed a "Riku's Dark Form" vs "Sora's Final Form" earlier; if I'm on the side of Dark Form, I need someone to argue for Final Form).
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| *'''Coliseum''': I like the Coliseum layout as well. I realize that I accidentally said I wanted a simple banner, which wasn't the case. Perhaps a change in the font colors for the Mirage Arena, so they don't seem like red links that don't exist. Regarding the name, I say just leave it at this point, and change it for the next issue, since we're down to 8 days (and now with Chain's ultimatum, we're down to four). Like FM has expressed, the template will inevitably be changed as we find bugs and make more desirable changes. Even now, it isn't set to stone. I'd recommend a different title for the sections, the Games seems to simple. Perhaps name it after one of the cups, I hear Survival Cup is pretty popular on the Recent Changes as of late.
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| *'''Keyblade Master''': I've reformatted the Keyblade Master page to allow for multiple sections. Again, we can make two columns by splitting the page in half, but that'd be all I recommend, because coding multiple columns will be hard issue after issue. Even though the template will inevitably change, the point is that we don't have to change it much, especially issue after issue. Plus, it is easier to code in row-sections (if that's what we want to call them) that can be hidden if there is no content, and nothing appears to change to the page, then if we code vertical-columns, which if we hide, will still leave a random empty space in the area where they will appear. I still prefer the multiple sections to the Keyblade Master, and the variety of its constant changing.
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Couple things.
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| *'''Coliseum''': Made the change to the font color for the Mirage Arena section. For the battle, do we want to use official renders to represent the users, or should we use avatar-style images, like what we might use for our talk bubbles (albeit slightly bigger and more representative)? Perhaps something in the area of the avatars we use on the staff pages on both sites, or what we might use if we were on the Keyhole. Just a suggestion/thought, feel free to reject it.
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| *'''Flick Rush/Keyblade Master''': What I present to you now is a solution to the question regarding the empty space on Flick Rush where the winners would be. Using an if-statement, I was able to hide the box unless the parameter {{{flickrushtodolistwinners}}} is filled. The same can be done to additional sections of the Keyblade Master page, if we want to.
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| *'''Location''': Two: the magazine and the template. Which is better for the magazine: [[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1 Quarter 3]] or [[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1]]? In the first, the title says Issue 1 is the first year of publication, Quarter 3 is the date. The latter tell us the publication order (in this case, Issue 1 for the first publication). Or other ideas? Personally, I prefer the latter option, though FR had originally suggested the first. Also, I think [[Template:Magazine]] is a good location for the magazine template.
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| *'''Awards''': Looking back, we've said we would give awards (an accolade) for winners of The Grid and Flick Rush. Should we still do this? Has anyone developed these awards yet? If not, I can do it, just tell me what kind of concept you guys have for them. I feel we shouldn't do awards for The Grid, unless the puzzles are noticeably harder that they require actual effort in solving them.
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| *'''Going Forward''': Several things here. First, I've re-written [[KHWiki:Magazine|<font color=#FFFFFF>KHWiki:Magazine</font>]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|<font color=#FFFFFF>KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot</font>]]. Are they okay? I'm hoping this is more organized than before, and that it, above all, is more effective in helping people contribute and get involved on the magazine and, more importantly, the wiki. I left the edit count requirement of 100 mainspace edits because we have not decided on this definitively. Once again, I feel that this should be a fairly easy community project to get involved in, and the edit count should be used in such a way that it encourages getting involved on the wiki without it becoming a hindrance to getting involved. Consider it the first step in our existing system of "Community Involvement" of items that require edit counts, including voting in Featured Articles/Media/User and Voting in the Mirage Arena. Again, I agree that an edit count is necessary to encourage voting. Perhaps a better number is 250 edits in general? Or something to the liking. Regarding [[KHWiki:Magazine|<font color=#FFFFFF>KHWiki:Magazine</font>]], I've reduced it to being a hub to the existing magazine issue and previous issues. I feel that this is enough for the page that should serve as an introduction to the Wiki's Magazine. Should we create a section for the Magazine on the Main Page? If you check out the Magazine page, there is a description and a smaller image of the cover under the section "Current Issue", which I feel would do great as a section on the Main Page, were we to do it. Finally, I think we need to Journalist Spot? I feel we should (plus, I think we have a policy that says we should). Do we do that at publication, or at some other date (a week before publication, a day after publication, two weeks, a month, what)?
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=That's great, UC. I think the podcast has to be uploaded to the wiki, I just don't know if there's a specific file name we might want for the podcast. As for the video, I don't know, our YouTube channel, I guess. Then, I think we're submitting everything (In this case, just links to the file and video) to the Editor in Chief by emailing it to the wiki's email. And he will plug it all in to the magazine. Am I right?}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)|default=So:
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| *I meant "Ansem Reports" and I didn't realise the poll on the template was the real deal.
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| *We still have six days 'til release. Renaming the Station of Awakening is really just making another title image (and perhaps renaming some coding parameters but that's no problem). Also, I still think the title should be "The Games" since it's most recognisable and nostalgic to the KH fans. And as the proverb goes: “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.”
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| *I really think the big boxes for the Station of Awakening should have images that represent the debate subjects. The talk bubble sprites are enough representation for the users. When I first saw the arena, I was confused with Namine and Axel being in the boxes while the title said "Defense Bonus vs Strength Bonus".
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| *If ENX's mini-series becomes a consistent trend, he should get his own section and title image.
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| *Sure. If statements are cool.
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| *This is the naming schema me and Erry talked about over the IRC. For the "KHWiki:Magazine" page, the list of issues will be like this: "Issue #1 <small>(2014 Q3)</small>" For the articles themselves, they would be named "KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1", "KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 2" and so on. The template would be called "Template:Magazine". If we have a new template, it'd replace the "Template:Magazine" page and the old template will be moved to a new page, titled "Template:Magazine/Issue 1" or "Template:Magazine/Issue 1-3". Then, we'll replace the links for the templates on the old issues. Sound good?
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| *The KHWiki:Magazine page is okay.
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| I'll make a couple of minor changes to the Journalist Spot. On the KHWiki, the edit requirements currently stand at:
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| These are all in the mainspace. I actually think we should re-adjust these amounts and promote them as rewards or privileges for editing. More interesting things will demand more edits so it's a smooth level of progression. Limiting the edits to the mainspace is unfair for those working on community projects, templates or image-related work so I think we should measure with an overall total. This is my plan for edit requirements:
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| *'''Mirage Arena''': 150
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| *'''Featured Content''': 200
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| *'''Magazine''': 250
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| *'''Trinity Archives''': 300
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| However, I'm aware that there is less work (or at least not as easily accessible to do) on the Keyhole. So regarding the magazine, we could have it so that the users will require either 250 total edits at the KHWiki '''or''' x amount of edits on the Keyhole. Hopefully, that keeps things fair as the Keyhole editors can choose the limit they want.}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Template has been moved, links and pages renamed. It's ready for input!
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| Some issues/responses:
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| I agree with everything FM has said.
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| One issue: do we want to/are we allowed to upload the title images and magazine cover images to the wiki, or not? If not, I think it best to at least host them all on the wiki's Photobucket account or something, so as to not risk losing any of them should one of us suddenly disappear.
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| All is about ready. I've submitted Ansem's Report, so that part is finished now, too.
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| {{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|xemnas=Okay, so since we have less than a week to go, and this forum hasn't been touched for a bit, I'm gonna revive it. Here's a list of the things I need from you people.
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| *Page 2 (Contents): Apparently there's supposed to be a collage image? The current placeholder is the Donald Duck image. I would like to have... whatever this is. I'm not quite sure of what it's really supposed to look like, but anything will do.
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| *Page 4 (Unlocking The Keyhole): Everything on this page. That includes users log, deletion log, other log, news from Jiminy's Journal, 4 new users with bios and tea party updates.
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| *Page 6 (The Coliseum): I need 2 users to go fight about something.<s>Keep the blood to a minimum.</s>
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| *Page 7 (The Keyblade Master): So from what I understand, MEX is going to do one thing for his mini-series, but we need one more person to do/say something. (If we are only doing 2 users per issue)
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| *Page 9 (The Round room): I need the youtube password from erry.
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| *Page 12 (The Grid): One more riddle.
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| *Page 13 (Flick Rush): Someone who is willing to answer mailbox questions. If it comes down to it, I'll just do it.)
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| Besides those things, I believe everything else is ready and set!}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:57, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|sad=The collage was supposed to be an assortment of images that summarises the magazine. For example, you could choose an image from the Ansem Reports, something from the Keyblade Master, a thumbnail from Namine's Sketchbook and a contender from the Coliseum. That's the idea.
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| Me and Pea are working on the Coliseum.
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| Actually, ENX doing his mini-series and MEX is going to do the main article. However, ENX said that he'll only have time to write a "trailer" to promote his series for when he can start it off properly next time. But he went on holiday on Thursday and he hasn't posted his trailer yet so I'm not sure if we can include his mini-series this issue... I'll remind MEX to email his submission.
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| We don't have a mailbox this issue so we should think of something to put as a placeholder...}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=17:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=If ENX can't do anything at all this time around, I can hide the second box, if we want to. Unless someone else wants to do something...
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| We kinda do have a mailbox, in the sense that some of us threw in a couple questions just to fill it up (and by a couple, I mean I sent a full Word document with questions).
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| Again, can we do anything about the images? Or do they stay in everyone's photobucket/Google Plus/whatever accounts?
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|default=I guess it's safer to upload the images to a Wiki account. If we make our own questions for the mailbox, they should be something jokey and humorous to keep things light-hearted. Also, me and Pea finished the debate.
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| And to the Keyhole people: What edit count requirement do you want to use the Journalist Spot?}}
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| {{FinalRest|time=04:09, 27 June 2014 (UTC)|normal=I did the winners title.
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| '''Keyblade Master:''' The idea was it for to be central article of the mag. For instance, how a magazine like [http://www.geeksplode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/TIME-Magazine-cover-November-14-2011.jpg this] will have a lot of different content, but the feature piece is the "Identity and the Modern Hero" article. That was the intention for the KM. But I guess we don't have time to discuss it anymore, so go ahead with what your plans for it are. Does anyone (preferably ENX) have an idea for the title of his section? I can whip one up, but I'm not really sure what theme to make it.
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| '''Coliseum:''' Changed the SoA name to the Games. I did it before I saw KSM's suggestion for a different name, sorry. :P Do you want something other than "The Games"? I can change it, no problem. For the images in the Games, I thought the users could use whatever they wanted, but it would be preferable for it to be in sprite form. If you're talking about the images in the VS box, they're supposed to be of the contents of the battle (eg. in FM's one it'd be a pic of Riku's Dark Form and Sora's Final Form in the other), but if there's nothing to properly represent the two points (as it was with the sample Defense/Strength battle) then we use the characters the debaters are using to represent themselves.
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| '''Flick Rush''': Genius idea with the if tag!
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| '''Location''': I'm cool with what FM suggested.
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| '''Awards''': If you want, I have a medal I made for the Featured Talker award on the Keyhole. Unfortunately we only did the award once and then had to scrap it because we didn't have a big enough userbase, so we could use it for these awards if you want to save the effort of making something new. [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/FeaturedTalkerMedalcopy_zpsf9b60d46.png Here's what it looks like]. And didn't we already decide against The Grid awards? That's why we implemented the hover answers, right?
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| '''Edit Count:''' The Journalist Spot looks great! I'm not a fan of edit counts, but if you want one, I'd prefer it either a) include total edits, not just mainspace or b) have one limit for total, with a very low number for mainspace (eg. 500 total edit count, 20 mainspace). I know 20 might seem like a super low number, but I'd like to include new users that would like to contribute things, even though they might not have found their place in the mainspace editing world yet. We have a few users like this on the Keyhole; I think they'd be good at things like riddles, or top 5 lists etc, but they've only just worked up the confidence to mainspace edit, so their counts are low.
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| '''Images:''' We allow all sorts of images on the Keyhole, so I can upload all the title images there. Until we get an answer for what we can do here, is it possible to use the links from the Keyhole?
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| '''Other:''' Yeah, we should just come up with our own questions for the mailbox. I'll do the collage image and the Unlocking the Keyhole now.
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| EDIT: I added in multiple author sections for the Keyblade Master, mailbox and to do list sections. Also, is regional spelling a problem? Eg. I spell it colour not color and categorise not categorize.
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Discuss!}}
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| {{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 04:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|normal="How long should it be?"
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| I'd say no more than an hour and a half, any longer than that then people would lose interest.
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| "Who can take part in making it?"
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| I'd say we have no more than 5 people per podcast, but if we get a lot of people sign up, then we could rotate the people in each podcast based on availability and/or interest of topic.
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| Would the be hosted over Skype, G+, or some other program?}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Five people per podcast sounds okay but the problem will be getting enough people to sign up! I'm not sure what program it would be hosted over; that's probably something all the people who sign up should decide afterwards. Also, I remember Chaser saying he was interested in doing visuals for the podcast so we could release a version on our YouTube channel too (or even replace the .ogg with it).}}
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| :5 people is too much of a cluster to do, even with visuals going on (also, I'm too lazy to edit that much visuals), especially with audio-only podcast. Most podcast are done with 3/4 people so that its easier to hear whats being said. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::Alright, but so far we only have one person able to do the podcast. Anyone else who can do it? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::Visually speaking (depending on how lazy I'm gonna be when I edit this), and using me, FM, Ek, and Cof as example and that me and Cof are the one that are currently speaking, the podcast visual should look something like [http://i.imgur.com/wSo0p0L.png this]. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::Would it be possible to have the names besides each wavelength so that the viewer can match name-to-voice easier? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::::Over the IRC, UC explained to me that doing the visuals would take a lot of work since you'd be listening to the podcast for half an hour, figuring out who's speaking at each second and animating their wavelength. I think we should plan a podcast, record it and see how tedious it is to make the visual. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::::Sounds like a good idea. Another idea is to have the pictures on the side next to the wavelengths so it's a bit clearer. Not sure what'd happen to the logo though. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 03:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::Typing "<nowiki>:</nowiki>" over and over is getting to be a pain ಠ_ಠ Also I did do another [http://i.imgur.com/cWmM0jG.png layout] for the podacast thats more easier to understand. Also, also Cof to answer your question about G+ vs Skype. G+ will record your hangout and make it ready for upload, but you cant edit the video. While with Skype you would have to edit the thing and upload it. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::Just gonna stick my nose in here and say that that layout looks great, UC. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :Another topic: what is the podcast going to be rated? Is this going to be PG-13 or are we going to have to keep it PG? I'm sure minor swear words will slip out, but would we bleep/edit those out in the event that someone does accidentally say something? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::Considering this will still be a representation of the Wiki, I think it should use the same rules and standards as appropriate here (except obviously more informal), meaning it won't be like the IRC. About bleeping out words, I'd think that'd only be necessary if it's actually vulgar language. I don't know about you guys but in my eyes, words like "damn" and "hell" aren't exactly "swear words". {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :::I say we make it PG13, thats what most podcast's tend to be around. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::That seems fair. We should probably give out a spoiler warning and a PG-13 warning at the beginning of the podcast then. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 22:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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| :So do we want to have a day to test this out then? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 02:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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| Update: so it look like we won't be able to do fancy audio visualizer, only because my computer can't run the damn thing, because its old. Also, the programs to make the audio wavelength is not compatible with my editing program and I'l too lazy to find the correct version. So my new idea is that we have a basic background with each person icon lighting up whenever someone talks. Also, also, everyone is gonna need to have their own microphone to capture high quality audio for me to edit with. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 12:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|default=Would this be an okay structure?:
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| *'''Introduction''': What the podcast is, who everyone is etc. (2-3 minutes)
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| *'''KH2.5 Discussion''': Talk about its features and discuss your expectations, opinions etc. (5 minutes)
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| *'''KH3 Discussion''': Talk about its features and release date and discuss your expectations, impressions opinions, mechanics, story speculation, theories, reactions to E3 etc. (10 minutes)
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| *'''KHX Discussion''': Talk about the game, whether you like it or not, how easy the Japanese is to bear etc. (5 minutes)
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| *'''KH3D Discussion''': Time travel discussion: How it works, any problems with inconsistency, clarifying any confusion etc. (5 minutes)
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| *'''After KH3''': Thoughts, ideas and hopes. (5 minutes)
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| *'''Wiki Discussion''': Thoughts about the new projects, current happenings, users that have left, excitements and concerns etc. (5-10 minutes)
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| *'''Conclusion''': End podcast. (1 minute)
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| This structure would set up a podcast that'd be over half an hour. If every participant prepares their theories and speculation beforehand, hopefully the conversation won't dry up halfway before the allotted time. Also, if you record it after all the E3 news, there should be enough "juice" to run on. The structure will also require a chairman to transit between topics by saying things like "So that's KH2.5 discussed, let's talk about KH3...". How's that sound?}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=00:59, 3 June 2014 (UTC)|text=Ok, I won't be a part of this, I choose not to. However, I have a suggestion: An agenda where people could suggest topics to discuss, similar to the Roundtable agenda. The difference would be that the people doing the podcast would decide which couple topics to discuss beforehand (five-ten days, maybe more, before recording), rather than deciding right during the recording the way we might choose at the Roundtable to dismiss a topic. Just a thought. For the first one, I really like the topics, and can't wait to see the result.}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)|Yeah, that's what I had planned. Even though I'm not taking part in the podcast, I wanted to offer my agenda ideas as a starting point for the actual participants.}}
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| 5 Minutes wouldn't be enough time to cover some of those topics without the podcast sounding too rushed. The four of us have already come up with our own agenda, we would run the podcast to be 45-60ish minutes. But those are good ideas, I've based some new ones off of the agenda. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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| :Okay, that's cool. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Greetings, users. System is up, and ready for user input. - 06:27 PM Sat, June 28, 2014 MST
FINALREST 
04:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
New section to keep the template separate from the article discussion. Also, I apologise in advance for the wall of text I know I'm about to type out.
I finished all the banners! Are there any you want changed? Let me know what you think would be better and I'll whip it up. If there are no problems with the banners, should I upload them here? If I do, what category should they go under?
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